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Baldur vs Heimdall
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That won't be a problem because Baldur doesn't have AD and RE like Kratos does.
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I mean we don't know by how much stronger kratos got after Baldur iirc besides the fact he lost the equipament the brothers made
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How exactly Kratos's "RE" works? Because Kratos faces Baldur at the beginning and at the end of the game
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Reactive Evolution. If a fight drags on long enough he'll eventually develop new Hax resistance.
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He grew immune to Heimdall's precog is what I'm saying.
Baldur can't do that, so Heimdall's precog will work the whole fight
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He did? thought he just ****** up with his senses with the spear like how brok said that the only way to beat Kratos but i prolly misremember cuz i quickly beat heimdall (iirc it's even stated in wog statament he Wouldn't have won without the spear)
Tho doesn't matter cuz i said multiple times i agree baldur cant hit heimdall until he gets tired
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The Spear could only carry him so far, and even then Heimdall recovered quick, real ******* quick. Also, not once did Heimdall ever manage to read Kratos's intentions to use the Spear like that against him, and when Heimdall has his arm pinned, he has difficulty peering into Kratos's head about his intentions to spare him.
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1. Overpowers Castor and Pollux's Time Stop, Age Manip, Time Slow, Rewind and Telekinesis from the Amulet of Uroboros with nothing but sheer speed and rage, he was being blatantly affected by said powers before but by the end of the fight, Kratos overpowers the Amulet's powers and murks Castor and Pollux, then rips out the latter from the bigger Twin.
2. Develops a brand new will to defeat the Sisters of Fate, inadvertently overpowering his Threads of Fate being cut off by the Sisters of Fate which should've insta-killed him, but he didn't get affected in the least bit, in fact, he didn't feel a damn thing at all, he just power walked without being aware of what had just happened to him.
3. LOLnopes Heimdall's precog in combination with his Spear so bad that Heimdall eventually straight up has difficulty reading or foreseeing what Kratos's "empty head" intends to do to him (Spare his life).
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Tbh I thought it was a combination of the spear messing with his senses and heimdall having a mental breakdown from being hit, thus making him sloppy, was why kratos was able to eventually fight heimdall normally
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Idk Man gojo vs Kratos seems fair
I'm glad I'm not debating GoW, because holy shit
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Not really, Heimdall lives and breathes for battle, as seen when he spams Realm Shift after getting hit, you know he's finally getting serious and upping his game, he's a lot more ferocious and counterintuitive here, but even before that, not once did he ever manage to figure out what Kratos was going to do to him with that Spear until after the first hit was landed.
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I feel like a lot of that is tied in to his rage and how much he adapts against it. Not really sure it applies here, or it really feels more murky shores based on his performances in the last two games.
I don't see any proof of that. If his RE was that potent, he wouldn't have even needed the spear in the first place and would've just fought Heimdall without it cuz he would've adapted. He needed to use the spear because of its unpredictable nature and ability to multiply which made it harder for Heimdall to predict. And the reason Heimdall got hit more as the battle progressed wasn't because Kratos was adapting to his abilities, it's because Heimdall had gotten punched after being distracted by the Draupnir spears. It got him pissed that Kratos had hit him, which made his foresight sloppy. I think Kratos' RE has diminished while in the Norse land, likely due to him losing several magic abilities from Greece, and because he's relying less on his rage, which is what I believe fueled most of his RE feats.
Regardless of that, both characters have wincons in this match. Heimdall can incapacitate Baldur with a neck snap, and Baldur can outlast Heimdall or land several more attacks with his superior speed that Heimdall wouldn't be able to react to in time. This match was already concluded, and it's been added to both their profiles.
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In the case of Castor and Pollux, he didn't have any resistances at all, and then he just magically grows them by the end of the fight. And Rage alone didn't get him through, his speed played a massive factor as well. This is also where Kratos has most of his memories suppressed by the Furies so his Rage really isn't that effective here.
Against the Sisters of Fate however? Not even his Rage would be enough to save him from having his Thread clipped. The Sisters explicitly mention it's his willpower that allowed him to completely shrug it off to begin with.
It's a combination of both the Spear and Kratos adapting. Nothing about the Spears was noted to be unpredictable, Draupnir's sole purpose as per Brok was to overload the senses, nothing else, which it does primarily via its explosive nature. That and you have to remember that Kratos's RE just isn't as potent as it was back in his God days because of him slacking out so massively, to trigger his AD and RE now he has to actively engage in combat for long-enough periods, whereas in his Greek days it was at a moments' notice that he continued to become stronger, faster and more capable.
It didn't, Heimdall just became more serious and upped his game. That's it. He was genuinely excited at the prospect of finally having a real challenge in quite a long time, thanks to his Aesir warrior nature.
It is true that his AD and RE has diminished considerably, but it's not just because of his lack of reliance on Rage, it's also because he had massively slacked out on his training and just effectively went on a hiatus to control his anger instead, thus shriveling to his 2018 form. It's still there, just not as potent as in his early days.
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I see
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heimdall
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It was. But later in the fight the spear wasn't needed at all.
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No not really lol Kratos Claps.Idk Man gojo vs Kratos seems fair
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How would Kratos get past the infinity barrier? Reactive Evolution? Doesn't seem likely.
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He would simply dodge it
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Could Kratos cross an Infinite space? Yes, easily lol he has infinite speed.
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That's weird. I've always found the infinite speed rating for GoW weird in the first place, even if the logic used for it makes sense.
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Probably just cuz of obscure background lore.
Ragnarok's feats are blantant.
Ragnarok's feats are blantant.
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Helios ain't the only one in the equation, there's the Light of Dawn and the Sisters of Fate now thanks to the whole "Threads of Fate span all life and time" quote and the Astral Projection feat, but the Sisters' feats are best left for the upcoming CRT.
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"Upcoming" CRT
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How long would it take? Does he have enough stamina?
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Scales way above Helios who lit up a infinite plane in mere seconds. So it wouldn't take long. And he's never been shown tiring out
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Oh I can assure you, he has more than enough stamina that he can indefinitely regenerate using his limitless amounts of magic.
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He can't run faster than sound for extended periods of time in the first novel
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He easily keeps up with Castor and Pollux who even without the Amulet of Uroboros are outright stated by WoG to be swifter than the Redeemed Warrior even with the latter having Essence of Hyperion on (Kratos being even swifter), and first novel Kratos wasn't exactly God level either until he opened Pandora's Box.
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Are you saying that it only applies to kratos with o
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Also he climbed up to Pandora's Temple for 3 days nonstop without food or water, stated in the same novel.
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No. It doesn't apply to anything. His fight against Castor and Pollux and his climb up Pandora's Temple should tell you why.
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Do you have a calc for this? It could be useful, unless Kratos has a better travel speed feat in GOW1
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Uh... buddy, this is not a travel speed feat, this is an endurance feat. It's part of why the whole "Can't run Supersonic for long" argument tears itself apart, that and you have Castor and Pollux.
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I blame Planck69
