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Ayanokouji Intelligence / Feats / Ability sections major revisions.

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As was discussed in the previous thread, Downgrading Ayanokouji's Intelligence, Ayanokouji Kiyotaka's Intelligence and Feats sections need major revisions due to misrepresentations and mistakes within them. This is my attempt at a draft. I started with the current sections as a baseline, and I have thoroughly changed them. Thus, consider this a major revision as it's practically rewritten from the ground up.

This is independent of the matter of his Intelligence rating, which was decided in the previous thread. I hope that you don’t argue the rating here.

This might be missing some aspects, so feel free to chime in. I haven't edited the wiki before, so I would appreciate if someone else eventually committed the changes to the profile when conclusions are reached.

Keep in mind this isn't an upgrade or a downgrade, but rewording things to make them more faithful to the LN (Official Translation where available) and adding some missing things. In addition to removing misrepresentations.

- Intelligence Section:
- White Room: Rewrite. Rewritten from the ground up to be much more faithful to the text than the current one. Has more feats than the previous section.
- Current: Rewrite. Rewritten from the ground up to be much more faithful to the text than the current one. Ayanokouji’s battle victories don’t belong in an Intelligence section.
- Feats Section:
- WR: Rewrite. Added specifics about problems solved. Added specifics about subjects. Removed Repetition with intelligence profile.
- Current: Rewrite. rewrote love letter strategy, X strategy and chess game. I ran all rewritten strategies by PMFT/Dax.
- Ability Section:
- Perfect Memory: Rewrite. Based on intelligence section.
- Analytical Prediction: Edit. Some bad supporting evidence was removed
- Resistance to Information Analysis: Rewrite. This was agreed upon after discussions.
- Resistance to Analytical Prediction: No change. This was accepted with the current proof so unrelated to this.
Intelligence Section
Intelligence: At Least Genius, Possibly Extraordinary Genius. He was the sole survivor of the fourth generation trained in the White Room, which used the βeta curriculum. The βeta curriculum was described as being in an entirely different dimension compared to the standard curriculum with 10 difficulty levels used in the White Room. For context, the fifth or sixth level of the standard curriculum were speculated to be the upper limit of human capability. [1] Accordingly, the seventh generation, who were assigned level 6 of the standard curriculum, all dropped out. Firmly establishing level 5 as the limit for human development. [2] He was described as a monster by both Suzukake, the creator of the White Room curriculum, [3] and Tsukishiro [4]. He was capable of logical reasoning when he was 2 years old. [5] He mastered five writing systems at the age of 3. [6] He achieved a perfect result on a hidden implicit memory test. [7] He was stated to be a genius at age 4. [8] He did college-level [9] and graduate-level [10] mathematics as a small child. Due to a speculated genetic mutation, Ayanokouji is capable of recalling experiences as far back as infancy – a feat defying the typical limitations of infantile amnesia. [11] He can selectively store and retrieve memories, even "opening the drawers" of his memory to revisit specific events from his past, as he describes it. [12] Furthermore, Ayanokouji demonstrates the ability to consciously erase or suppress unnecessary memories, though this process is not absolute. [13] In the White Room, Ayanokouji's level of ability was stated to be unattainable for White Room students from other generations and thus his data had to be lowered when shown to other students. [14] Ayanokouji was able to absorb everything he was taught as if he was swallowing it and adapted no matter the difficulty, stated as never having reached his "plateau". [15] Ayanokouji, by the age of 12, had already started surpassing the White Room's instructors who were renowned experts and geniuses within their respective fields. Therefore, the White Room struggled to find new things for him to learn due to his in-human learning ability. [3] The knowledge he has spans many diverse domains and is stated to be many times greater than the knowledge that one normally obtains in a lifetime. [16] Despite the lowered data, he was still viewed like a god-like figure and worshipped by the students from other White Room generations. [17]
Started his martial arts training at 4 [18], eventually culminating in him defeating all the martial arts instructors who taught him at the age of 9. He effortlessly defeated 6 fighters using a baton at the age of 9. [19] Shiro said that for every brawl he had with Ayanokouji, he used to win the first 1-2 matches against Ayanokouji, but Ayanokouji never lost afterward [20], despite both being trained in the same facility continuously.
Intelligence: At Least Genius, Possibly Extraordinary Genius. He is comparable in classical chess ability to Arisu Sakayanagi [21], whom he stated is better than the professional chess instructors he played in the White Room. [22] He was able to make a chess move that was better, according to Tsukishiro, than even the best move from the professionals he hired who had access to a dedicated machine. [23] Stated by Ryuuen to possess unfathomable ingenuity. [24] When planning, he can anticipate most possibilities and prepare counter measures accordingly. [25] During Ryuuen's search to uncover Class D's mastermind (X), Ayanokouji was constantly able to anticipate and manipulate Ryuuen's actions. [26] Tricked Yagami into going into the student council room by inserting an anagram into a lover letter addressed to Nagumo and anticipating that Yagami would read it. [27] Ayanokouji has been shown to be at least comparable if not superior to Arisu Sakayanagi[28][21][29], who was able to visualize a 27 km² island in three dimensions and simulate the movements of hundreds of people, even detecting subtle changes in the terrain and how it influences movement before her own allies did[30]. She achieved this using only a two-dimensional map, a few daily GPS snapshots, and reports from her allies, all without leaving the port. [31]
It was stated that if he were to fight with a professional fighter, the fight would be over instantly with Ayanokouji's victory. [4] Due to his learning ability, Ayanokouji was able to master archery by watching tutorials [32] Additionally, Ayanokouji was able to learn skiing to some extent by observing Kushida and others. However, after watching Ryuuen and Kitou's techniques, he instantly improved his own skiing by assimilating their techniques on the advanced course. [33] He is constantly shown as possessing good intuition regarding the strength of an opponent from just a glance; As an example, he knew that Ichika Amasawa was weaker than him the moment they met. [34] This intuition allowed Ayanokouji to realize something was wrong when Shiba's movements appeared to be sharper than Tsukishiro's, which went against his intuition. Thus, Ayanokouji was able to deduce this was false information made to bait him into attempting to take out Shiba at the last second. [35]


[1] Classroom of the Elite: Vol 0; Chapter 4.
[2] Classroom of the Elite: Vol 0; Chapter Epilogue.
[3] Classroom of the Elite: Vol 0; Chapter Epilogue.
[4] Classroom of the Elite Year 2: Vol 1; Chapter 1.
[5] Classroom of the Elite: Vol 0; Chapter 5.
[6] Classroom of the Elite: Vol 0; Chapter 5. https://imgur.com/H6cB1zF
[7] Classroom of the Elite: Vol 0; Chapter 5. https://imgur.com/XZshKsO
[8] Classroom of the Elite: Vol 0; Chapter 5. https://imgur.com/Shkk4XW
[9] Anime, Season 1 Episode 6. https://imgur.com/gallery/ayanokouji-intellect-1rIAp3Z
[10] Classroom of the Elite Year 2: Vol 1; Chapter 1. https://imgur.com/LvLXXOF
[11] Classroom of the Elite: Vol 0; Chapter 5. https://imgur.com/9Z7iYuv
[12] Classroom of the Elite: Vol 0; Chapter 5. https://imgur.com/K3d0mjl
[13] Classroom of the Elite: Vol 0; Chapter Epilogue. https://imgur.com/1tEV4zc
[14] Classroom of the Elite: Vol 0; Chapter 5. https://imgur.com/CXJCEKT
[15] Classroom of the Elite: Vol 0; Chapter 5. https://imgur.com/J0QiIx8
[16] Classroom of the Elite: Vol 7; Chapter 3. https://imgur.com/X3HOs13
[17] Classroom of the Elite Year 2: Vol 2; Chapter 1. https://imgur.com/n3Wwclm
[18] Classroom of the Elite: Vol 0; Chapter 5. https://imgur.com/h8QLBXt
[19] Classroom of the Elite: Vol 0; Chapter 5. https://imgur.com/mP9vOiy
[20] Classroom of the Elite: Vol 0; Chapter 5. https://imgur.com/SD90V5O


[21] Classroom of the Elite: Vol 11; Chapter 10. https://imgur.com/a7XRjpV
[22] Classroom of the Elite: Vol 11; Chapter 10. https://imgur.com/8kquOVf
[23] Classroom of the Elite: Vol 11; Chapter 10. https://imgur.com/Bm1QV51
[24] Classroom of the Elite: Vol 10; Chapter 7. https://imgur.com/Wwi9cje
[25] Classroom of the Elite Year 2: Vol 6; Chapter 2. https://imgur.com/EWlp19w
[26] Classroom of the Elite: Vol 7; Chapter 6. https://imgur.com/y7EjZAJ
[27] Classroom of the Elite Year 2: Vol 7; Chapter 6. https://imgur.com/8XjOd3i
[28] Classroom of the Elite: Vol 11; Chapter 10. https://imgur.com/aZBCXkD
[29] Classroom of the Elite Year 2: Vol 6; Chapter 7. https://imgur.com/ZFnFh3i
[30] Classroom of the Elite Year 2: Vol 4; Chapter 6. https://imgur.com/SJYApzE
[31] Classroom of the Elite Year 2: Vol 3; Chapter 7. https://imgur.com/Lf8BPpJ
[32] Classroom of the Elite Year 2: Vol 11; Chapter 6. https://imgur.com/BQ5x7iV
[33] Classroom of the Elite Year 2: Vol 8; Chapter 4. https://imgur.com/Vlnfnz8
[34] Classroom of the Elite Year 2: Vol 7; Chapter 6. https://imgur.com/bthy2yq
[35] Classroom of the Elite Year 2: Vol 4; Chapter 9. https://imgur.com/PkplR86



Feats section changes:
WR Feats

Learned Taylor series mathematics at age 6-7 in the White Room.
[REWORDED] At an extremely young age, was shown solving a problem of proving e is irrational. This is done by using the Taylor series expansion of e^x as a step to producing a mathematical proof by contradiction. This is college level mathematics. [9]
[ADDITION] Solved problems related to AM-GM inequality as a small child. This is a concept taught to high school Olympiad math contestants.
[ADDITION] Solved problems related to measurement and Lebesgue integration as a small child. This is graduate level mathematics. [10]
[ADDITION] From what has been shown throughout the series, the White Room curriculum covers (non-inclusively): Japanese, English, Modern Literature, Economics, History, Social Studies, Psychology, Philosophy, Mathematics, Biology, Physics, Chemistry, Painting, Music alongside various martial arts.

Rest should be removed as it's covered in the intelligence section.
Physical WR feats
Last two points removed as repetition.
Current feats
FMA and most of the bullet points in this section are fine.

X strategy should be rewritten, there are some falsehoods and tangents within it. And thus, it should be rewritten along these lines as a summary for X strategy:
(CAUTION: X STRATEGEY IS LONG, and thus this has to skip and summarize parts of it. a complete document of it would be dozens of pages long)
One of Ayanokouji's most impressive strategies happens after the Island exam. Ryuuen, suspecting that a mastermind ("X") within Class 1-D thwarted his Island exam plan, begins his search. Ayanokouji anticipated that this would occur, and thus has already misled Ibuki from Class 1-C into thinking he’s a nobody when she was imbedded as a spy in Class 1-D during the island exam and when he interacts with her afterwards.

Ayanokouji then moves to gain control over his own class by manipulating Kei Karuizawa, who's at the top of Class 1-D's social ladder. After discovering that her relationship with Yosuke Hirata is a facade for Karuizawa's protection, he orchestrates a bullying campaign against her using Manabe and her group from Class 1-C. Ayanokouji then "rescues" Karuizawa, after recording a video of Manabe and her friends bullying her. He thus forces Karuizawa into a partnership, where he offers protection in exchange for her obedience. The choice of using Manabe from Class 1-C is deliberate, aiming to eventually link Karuizawa to X in Ryuuen's mind. In the Zodiac exam, Ayanokouji implements a phone swap strategy that ends up winning the group for his class, demonstrating the credibility of his protection to Karuizawa.

Afterwards, and by utilizing Karuizawa's influence, Ayanokouji indirectly controls his classmates, solidifying his position as the midden mastermind of Class 1-D. He dismantles Ryuuen's scheme in the sports festival by anticipating Ryuuen's plan and using the bullying video to force Manabe into betraying Ryuuen. And in the paper shuffle, he constantly remains one step ahead and predicts and thwarts Ryuuen's plans. Throughout all of this, Ayanokouji used Ryuuen's own understanding of X to misdirect him. First, Ayanokouji's calculatedly outstanding performance in the sports festival made Ayanokouji stand out. In addition, Ayanokouji purposefully shows up to Ryuuen's trap when Ryuuen confronted Kouenji as X and asked Hirata to stay behind. Using these acts as red herrings, Ryuuen was misled into thinking Hirata was X and not Ayanokouji.

As Ryuuen eventually uncovers the connection between Karuizawa and X (a part of Ayanokouji's plan), he confronts her on the rooftop, threatening to expose her past of bullying to the entire school and subjecting her to psychological and physical torture, demanding X's identity. Despite Karuizawa's desperate hope in Ayanokouji's promise of protection, he remains conspicuously absent, fully aware of her ordeal. First, he establishes an alibi at the time when Ryuuen sprays cameras on the roof and for a while afterwards, making note that cameras see him. Furthermore, regarding Kei, He does this to test how loyal she is to him and to strengthen her attachment to him once he shows up.

Finally, Ayanokouji makes his dramatic entrance, revealing himself as X. This revelation stuns not only Ryuuen but his entire gang; because of how thoroughly Ayanokouji has camouflaged himself, he has to explain his island exam plan part by part for them to believe he's X. Ryuuen then resorts to violence. However, Ayanokouji completely overwhelms Ryuuen and his gang in a fight. Ayanokouji declares that the current situation where violence was the solution was what he wanted from the very beginning, and that Ryuuen was simply dancing in the palm of his hand. Furthermore, Ryuuen is incapable of exposing either Karuizawa or Ayanokouji because he had Manabu Horikita watch the whole confrontation from the stairs, and thus Class 1-C would take tremendous damage if this incident was reported. During this, Ayanokouji monologues that Kei revealing his identity or Manabu not cooperating wouldn't affect his plan, as he had other backups in place for those scenarios if they occurred.

In the end, by thoroughly dominating Ryuuen in every aspect, Ayanokouji petrifies Ryuuen – something that Ryuuen had never experienced before. Ryuuen, who had tremendous tenacity, realizes there's no path for him to defeating Ayanokouji and gives up, deciding to drop out of the school. However, Ayanokouji uses Albert and Ishizaki to prevent him from doing so, and thus he eventually transforms Ryuuen into an attack dog against Ichinose and Sakayanagi. Thus, Ayanokouji completely neutralizes and redirects Ryuuen away from his class, indirectly takes control of his own class, and does all of this while remaining hidden from almost everyone in his class and grade. Furthermore, he accomplishes this while juggling through other plans and accomplishing other objectives unrelated to Ryuuen.
Love letter has mistakes and isn't well written. it also skips the impressive part of the strategy (how much thought was given to getting the letter to Yagami and misleading him.)
After Ayanokouji discovers that Takuya Yagami is the White Room student sent to expel him, he devises a strategy to expel him. He creates a "love letter" message addressed to Nagumo. First, he deliberately uses a seal that can be easily replaced, allowing someone to open and reseal the letter without difficulty. Second, he writes an anagram-coded message to Yagami within the love letter, inviting him to the student council room at 3 PM. His writing style serves as a clue to Yagami that the writer is Ayanokouji. Third, he contacts Nagumo and obtains his cooperation, instructing him to act in a bad mood on the day of the cultural festival, come to the student council room at 3 PM, and question Yagami. He then passes the letter to Kei, who passes it to a friend who then passes it to Horikita. Horikita tries and fails to give the letter to Nagumo, who is acting in a bad mood as per Ayanokouji's instructions. She then passes the letter to Yagami, who opens and deciphers it. Yagami has been misled into thinking that Ayanokouji's roundabout letter was an invitation for a "confrontation" in the student council room. Upon arriving at the student council room, Yagami first encounters Horikita, who is starting to suspect him due to his handwriting being similar to the message she received during the uninhabited island exam. Then, Nagumo arrives and begins questioning Yagami about leaked rumors regarding the 20 million point bounty on Ayanokouji and why he opened a love letter addressed to Nagumo. Afterward, Ryuuen arrives, following Ayanokouji's instructions, with the two students from his class who were attacked and with teachers, and accuses Yagami of the assault. Both the teachers and the students corroborate the accusation. At this point, Yagami is cornered from multiple sides. Furthermore, Ayanokouji's decision to deal with him indirectly enrages Yagami, causing him to inadvertently admit to attacking Ryuuen's classmates. Yagami rampages until several White Room instructors barge into the student council room and take him away. Ayanokouji anticipated this entire sequence of events from the beginning and correctly profiled Yagami's previous actions to predict his behavior. Thus, Ayanokouji successfully expels Yagami simply by indirectly sending a love letter and by giving Nagumo and Ryuuen simple instructions. (Year 2 Volume 7)]
The Chess Game section was completely inaccurate in it's portrayal of the events. this was shown in the previous thread. and is provided below:
"Ayanokouji was simply dominating"
Said or implied nowhere. they were playing even in a back and forth.
this part should be deleted for the misrepresentation that it is.
"Where he took way lesser time of only a few seconds, while Sakayanagi was taking some minutes."
If you zoom in on this paragraph and ignore everything around it, you get this impression. However, Ayanokouji had already spent many minutes thinking before this point. The reason Sakayanagi is taking her time in this paragraph, and he isn't, is because she had many minutes left and he only had around 2. Only at the very end, after she thinks for many minutes, is it finally stated that Sakayanagi had less time remaining than he did. Given that he started after she did, she actually played her moves slightly faster than he did!
this part should be deleted for the misrepresentation that it is.
Start and 1. are fine as is.

2. Throughout the game, Ayanokouji was able to put Sakayanagi in a deep sense of thought and Sakayanagi was able to do the same. Sakayanagi even considered this game as her "best game" so far. Both sides appear to be evenly matched with positional and time advantage being traded back and forth. (Year 1 Volume 11)

3. At the climax, Ayanokouji ponders his next move after being put in a difficult position by Sakayanagi. Then, he seemingly makes a complex move that she counters, causing her to win. Only later it is revealed that Tsukishiro had intervened and had changed the original move issued by Ayanokouji into the move Sakayanagi countered. He also revealed that Ayanokouji made a better move than the professionals he hired who also had access to a dedicated machine. (Year 1 Volume 11)

4. Later on in the library, Ayanokouji ends up winning the game after continuing from where Tsukishiro intervened. Though both sides agreed that they were evenly matched, and that if they played 10 matches the result would likely be 5-5.
Ability section changes:
Unfortunately, some changes will have to be made here as well.

Perfect Memory - Reworded to present his memory as described in the LN. similar to the intelligence section

He achieved a perfect result on a hidden implicit memory test. [7] Due to a speculated genetic mutation, Ayanokouji is capable of recalling experiences as far back as infancy – a feat defying the typical limitations of infantile amnesia. [11] He can selectively store and retrieve memories, even "opening the drawers" of his memory to revisit specific events from his past, as he describes it. [12] Furthermore, Ayanokouji demonstrates the ability to consciously erase or suppress unnecessary memories, though this process is not absolute. [13] Ayanokouji was able to absorb everything he was taught as if he was swallowing it and was stated as never having reached his "plateau". [15]
Resistance to Information Analysis - This looks great until you realize that the supporting feat is a FanTL mistranslation. In the OTL (and the Japanese), this is Tsukishiro's Feat....
Ayanokouji does conceal the 1%, his backup plan to stall for time, but concealing a part of your thoughts from cold reading while most of your battle thoughts get cold read doesn't rise to the level of justifying this ability. I verified that OTL is correct through a Japanese speaker (proof was shown to huntsman privately).
This ability should be removed from current Ayanokouji for now. You may add it back in another CRT again once valid evidence is provided.
Raw: こちらの考えも、月城は99%読んできている。迷いなく的確でそれでいて自分の考えを読ませない戦い方。いや、読ませつつも真実を見せないというべきか

FanTL
: Tsukishiro has read 99% of my thoughts as well. The way he fights is precise without hesitation, yet he doesn't let you read his thoughts. I'm not sure what to say, but I'm not going to show him the truth.

OTL: Tsukishiro had read 99 percent of my thoughts. His fighting style was precise and without indecision, and he didn’t allow his own thoughts to be read. Or rather, I supposed I should say that while he did let me read his thoughts, he wasn’t showing me the truth.

Despite the mistranslation, there's sufficient evidence to keep it. we've agreed on:

"He successfully concealed his overarching plan of stalling for time from Tsukishiro, who has shown exceptional cold reading abilities, while being aware of what information Tsukishiro was able to discern from him. He also misled his father and the White Room researchers who monitored him for years about his true goals and about him lacking any emotions."

Analytical Prediction - Some changes were made here

New Agreed upon section:

Analytical Prediction
(Should be massively superior to the likes of Ichika Amasawa due to much harder curriculum. When planning, he can anticipate most possibilities and prepare counter measures accordingly. Ayanokouji was able to determine that Manabu was aiming to throw his sister on the concrete when he was still pinning her. Ayanokouji analyzes Hōsen from the sides and predicts that he was aiming to harm himself. While fighting Tsukishiro, he anticipated Tsukishiro's plan to use a buried taser because Tsukishiro's glanced towards the ground and because it felt like Tsukishiro was intentionally taking hits, as if giving ground on purpose. Kiyotaka has an ability to determine his opponents' upper limits and make necessary moves according to that. Kiyotaka predicted a series of attacks from Ryuuen and mentioned that he had got a better hold of Ryuuen's upper limits, which he was able to properly assess after fighting him. If unable to analyze, Kiyotaka is able to determine his opponents' abilities through his intuition, which was displayed when Kiyotaka was able to completely counter a series of moves from Tsukishiro and Shiba after guessing their abilities' limits with his intuition.)


All of the proposed changes are implemented in the below user blog if you'd like to see them.

 
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Post to let y'all know I'm following. I will give input later.
 
I don't want to make it feel rushed. I will try to narrow it down to various categories of intelligence. I will also try to re-word both Analytical Prediction and probably Information Analysis as well.

Please note that Resistance to Analytical Prediction can be removed. Vzearr already did a thread afaik, and you can ask him for the thread link and link it to make the desired changes.
 
Anyway I don't really have any disagreements with the thread tbh. It seems fine.
 
I'm almost done with adding scans to references (should be added tomorrow at latest). if anyone has an issue with anything as presented, let me know.
 
As Ryuuen eventually uncovers the connection between Karuizawa and X (a part of Ayanokouji's plan), he confronts her on the rooftop, threatening to expose her past of bullying to the entire school and subjecting her to psychological and physical torture, demanding X's identity. Despite Karuizawa's desperate hope in Ayanokouji's promise of protection, he remains conspicuously absent, fully aware of her ordeal. He does this to test how loyal she is to him and to strengthen her attachment to him once he shows up.

Finally, Ayanokouji makes his dramatic entrance, revealing himself as X. This revelation stuns not only Ryuuen but his entire gang; because of how thoroughly Ayanokouji has camouflaged himself, he has to explain his island exam plan part by part for them to believe he's X. Ryuuen then resorts to violence. However, Ayanokouji completely overwhelms Ryuuen and his gang in a fight. Ayanokouji declares that the current situation where violence was the solution was what he wanted from the very beginning, and that Ryuuen was simply dancing in the palm of his hand. Furthermore, Ryuuen is incapable of exposing either Karuizawa or Ayanokouji because he had Manabu Horikita watch the whole confrontation from the stairs, and thus Class 1-C would take tremendous damage if this incident was reported. During this, Ayanokouji monologues that Kei revealing his identity or Manabu not cooperating wouldn't affect his plan, as he had other backups in place for those scenarios if they occurred.
X Strategy - Add to this, there was another reason he chose to wait before going to the rooftop. First was to establish an alibi with the most credible witness possible (the school) so that Ryuuen wouldn't be able to report to the school and claim he started the fight. By walking around Keyaki Mall at the same time Ryuuen was recorded spray painting the camera on the roof Ayanokouji has evidence that Ryuuen was on the roof while he was with friends, therefore there could be no way he started the fight.

Secondly, probing Kei's loyalty was not a reason he waited to save her as in his monologue he said that he had expected her to betray his identity to Ryuuen and he could use her guilt of betraying him to continue using her. The fact that she choose not to do so was a situation he had prepared for but not expected. Making her wait was more about pushing her to her psychological limit with her trauma. This was a similar situation to what he did during the Manabe bullying incident, only here there was real risk to letting her get tortured too long. The longer he waited, the more of an emotional reaction would be triggered by his arrival. He tried to time his arrival to perfectly balance between waiting as long as possible to let Ryuuen torment her as much as possible while also ensuring he got there before she was completely broken.
Resistance to Analytical Prediction - Unfortunately, the supporting evidence here doesn't support this ability.
This ability should be removed from current Ayanokouji for now. You may add it back in another CRT again once valid evidence is provided.

Resistance to Info Analysis - The OTL supports this and claiming that the change from FTL disproves this is wrong.

Ayanokouji “knew” that Tsuki read 99% of his thoughts and had not read/understood the final 1%. The fact that Koji knew this shows that he is aware of what information Tsuki is reading from him and since Koji was concealing his true plans in the 1% it shows that he is feeding Tsuki misinformation in the 99% to protect the 1%.

This proves that Koji has the ability to manipulate the information people gain by cold reading him.

1. Tsukishiro and Ayanokouji are both analyzing each other during this scene. Tsukishiro tries to conceal his true fighting ability compared to Shiba.

2. Ayanokouji manages to avoid this trap by considering the possibility that Tsuki is better than he let on, and manages to dodge in time because of that.

C1: The result of Tsukishiro's concealment was this attack where he tried to catch Ayanokouji off guard and failed. Ayanokouji had noted that Tsukishiro was not allowing his own thoughts to be read and that is referring to this. He was working to conceal his true combat prowess for a sneak attack. (Bolded part was confirmed in the OTL)

3. At the same time Ayanokouji is also preventing Tsuki from analyzing him (both his full combat prowess and his true strategy)

4. Ayanokouji understands that Tsuki is trying to analyze him and he shows that he can identify what information Tsukishiro is able to read and what information he can't. This is because of the 99% vs 1% description. Ayanokouji is aware that Tsukishiro has read what he describes as "99% of his thoughts" but conversely that means he is unable to read the final 1%.

5. Tsukishiro was unable to discern Ayanokouji true strategy for this fight, which was to bring Mashima and Chabashira in to trap Tsukishiro in a position he shouldn't be in. Not only is he on the island unannounced, but is interfering with it. Ayanokouji's GPS log will show that his designated area of I2 was different than everyone else in his table which is proof Tsukishiro interfered.

C2: Ayanokouji knew Tsukishiro was cold reading him, he knew precisely what information Tsukishiro was reading, and he was able to conceal his true strategy in the "1%" of his thoughts to prevent it from being cold read.

So Ayanokouji is able to manipulate his thoughts, facial cues, body language, etc to either not allow specific information to be analyzed by someone or he was feeding false information to Tsukishiro during his cold read to serve this purpose. Either way this is sufficient to retain his resistance to Info Analysis.

Resistance to ANPR - There is no change to the scan from what was already on his profile so this stays. If you believe Koji shouldn't have this resistance than you can make a CRT to remove it, but since the TL on his profile wasn't incorrect and this has already been accepted on his profile I don't think you can remove it here.
Ayanokouji also analyzes Hōsen from the sides and predicts that he was aiming to harm himself, something which cannot be predicted from the posture Hōsen was in
Bolded Part Removed:
Most of it is accurate. the bolded part is False, Ayanokouji knew he was going to stab himself from the posture. “Judging from the way Housen had held the knife as he swung it, it was clear he wasn’t intending to stab someone else".
Change bolded section to: "something he predicted from the posture Hōsen was in" I'm not sure why there was essentially a typo here but the text you provided directly confirm this so it should be no issue.

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@RoggerReggor Let me know if everything looks right to you
It's good to go. I think this can be used for AnPr.
Analytical Prediction (Should be massively superior to the likes of Ichika Amasawa due to much harder curriculum. When planning, he can anticipate most possibilities and prepare counter measures accordingly. Ayanokouji was able to determine that Manabu was aiming to throw his sister on the concrete when he was still pinning her. Ayanokouji analyzes Hōsen from the sides and predicts that he was aiming to harm himself. While fighting Tsukishiro, he anticipated Tsukishiro's plan to use a buried taser because Tsukishiro's glanced towards the ground and because it felt like Tsukishiro was intentionally taking hits, as if giving ground on purpose. Kiyotaka has an ability to determine his opponents' upper limits and make necessary moves according to that. Kiyotaka predicted a series of attacks from Ryuuen and mentioned that he had got a better hold of Ryuuen's upper limits, which he had analyzed wrongly before. If unable to analyze, Kiyotaka is able to determine his opponents' abilities through his intuition, which was displayed when Kiyotaka was able to completely counter a series of moves from Tsukishiro and Shiba after guessing their abilities' limits with his intuition. While fighting Tsukishiro, he anticipated Tsukishiro's plan to use a buried taser because Tsukishiro's glanced towards the ground and because it felt like Tsukishiro was intentionally taking hits, as if giving ground on purpose.)
Thanks to one of my friends to write it up without messing with MCH2's most interpretations. This would address all of the types of battle foreseeing Kiyotaka can do via:
1. Visualizing possibilities
2. Logical Reasoning
3. Upper limits and intuition

I think further feats can be added to this once found.
 
Add to this, there was another reason he chose to wait before going to the rooftop. First was to establish an alibi with the most credible witness possible (the school) so that Ryuuen wouldn't be able to report to the school and claim he started the fight.

Agreed. that part was missing.
Secondly, probing Kei's loyalty was not a reason he waited to save her as in his monologue he said that he had expected her to betray his identity to Ryuuen and he could use her guilt of betraying him to continue using her.

It was one of two reasons he mentioned, I forgot the first one. Thanks for mentioning it.
here's the relevant part for the record:
"By delaying my arrival and still ultimately showing up, though, I’d strengthened her belief that she could hold onto her faith in me till that last possible moment (1). At the same time, it had allowed me to ascertain that she wouldn’t easily betray me. (2)"

Off course, the part that comes later, that even if she betrayed him, it wouldn't matter as he will simply use her guilt. is already there.
Ayanokouji “knew” that Tsuki read 99% of his thoughts and had not read/understood the final 1%. The fact that Koji knew this shows that he is aware of what information Tsuki is reading from him and since Koji was concealing his true plans in the 1% it shows that he is feeding Tsuki misinformation in the 99% to protect the 1%.

Ayanokouji's battle thoughts (the "99%") were read by Tsukishiro. Ayanokouji successfully concealed the overarching plan of stalling for time until observers would interrupt the fight (the "1%"). I am personally not sure if Concealment raises to the standard of resistance to information analysis, but this isn't the only feat we can use.

We can add in his Vol 0 concealment and misdirection of information from his father and potentially White Room researchers to reach the threshold, I think. (see end of post).
3. At the same time Ayanokouji is also preventing Tsuki from analyzing him (both his full combat prowess and his true strategy)

For the record, Tsukishiro most likely already knew Ayanokouji's full combat prowess from the true White Room data. In fact, Ayanokouji was stronger in the White Room ("Prime") than when he fought Tsukishiro ("Current"). The proposition doesn't get invalidated due to this, so it's more of a nitpick for the record.
he knew precisely what information Tsukishiro was reading

For the record, he knew that Tsukishiro read his battle thoughts due to Tsukishiro being ready for Ayanokouji's plan to take out Shiba first.
But he did know that Tsukishiro didn't realize he was subtly stalling for time. so again, the proposition doesn't get invalidated due to this.
Resistance to ANPR - There is no change to the scan from what was already on his profile so this stays. If you believe Koji shouldn't have this resistance than you can make a CRT to remove it, but since the TL on his profile wasn't incorrect and this has already been accepted on his profile I don't think you can remove it here.

Fair enough. I didn't know the rules.

@TheHuntsman1001 is this Acceptable for keeping resistance to information analysis?

"He successfully concealed his overarching plan of stalling for time from Tsukishiro, who has shown exceptional cold reading abilities. He also misled his father and the White Room researchers who monitored him for years about his true goals and about him lacking any emotions.”

There should be no problems with Justifying his resistance to information analysis like this, right?

@RoggerReggor I don't object to anything there. but you did unintentionally repeat a part at the end.
 
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For the record, Tsukishiro most likely already knew Ayanokouji's full combat prowess from the true White Room data. In fact, Ayanokouji was stronger in the White Room ("Prime") than when he fought Tsukishiro ("Current"). The proposition doesn't get invalidated due to this, so it's more of a nitpick for the record.
This is true.

For the record, he knew that Tsukishiro read his battle thoughts due to Tsukishiro being ready for Ayanokouji's plan to take out Shiba first.
But he did know that Tsukishiro didn't realize he was subtly stalling for time. so again, the proposition doesn't get invalidated due to this.
This is slightly misleading because this wasn't a prediction on Tsukishiro's part. His plan was to disguise his strength to try and decieve Koji, it was less that he was "ready" for Koji's plan to attack Shiba first.

"He successfully concealed his overarching plan of stalling for time from Tsukishiro, who has shown exceptional cold reading abilities. He also misled his father and the White Room researchers who monitored him for years about his true goals and about him lacking any emotions.”

There should be no problems with Justifying his resistance to information analysis like this, right?
This is fine, I would reword as such: "He successfully concealed his overarching plan of stalling for time from Tsukishiro, who has shown exceptional cold reading abilities, while being aware of what information Tsukishiro was able to discern from him. He also misled his father and the White Room researchers who monitored him for years about his true goals and about him lacking any emotions.”

It's good to go. I think this can be used for AnPr.
Analytical Prediction (Should be massively superior to the likes of Ichika Amasawa due to much harder curriculum. When planning, he can anticipate most possibilities and prepare counter measures accordingly. Ayanokouji was able to determine that Manabu was aiming to throw his sister on the concrete when he was still pinning her. Ayanokouji analyzes Hōsen from the sides and predicts that he was aiming to harm himself. While fighting Tsukishiro, he anticipated Tsukishiro's plan to use a buried taser because Tsukishiro's glanced towards the ground and because it felt like Tsukishiro was intentionally taking hits, as if giving ground on purpose. Kiyotaka has an ability to determine his opponents' upper limits and make necessary moves according to that. Kiyotaka predicted a series of attacks from Ryuuen and mentioned that he had got a better hold of Ryuuen's upper limits, which he had analyzed wrongly before. If unable to analyze, Kiyotaka is able to determine his opponents' abilities through his intuition, which was displayed when Kiyotaka was able to completely counter a series of moves from Tsukishiro and Shiba after guessing their abilities' limits with his intuition. While fighting Tsukishiro, he anticipated Tsukishiro's plan to use a buried taser because Tsukishiro's glanced towards the ground and because it felt like Tsukishiro was intentionally taking hits, as if giving ground on purpose.)
Slight rewording and removing last sentence for repetition.

Analytical Prediction (Should be massively superior to the likes of Ichika Amasawa due to much harder curriculum. When planning, he can anticipate most possibilities and prepare counter measures accordingly. Ayanokouji was able to determine that Manabu was aiming to throw his sister on the concrete when he was still pinning her. Ayanokouji analyzes Hōsen from the sides and predicts that he was aiming to harm himself. While fighting Tsukishiro, he anticipated Tsukishiro's plan to use a buried taser because Tsukishiro's glanced towards the ground and because it felt like Tsukishiro was intentionally taking hits, as if giving ground on purpose. Kiyotaka has an ability to determine his opponents' upper limits and make necessary moves according to that. Kiyotaka predicted a series of attacks from Ryuuen and mentioned that he had got a better hold of Ryuuen's upper limits, which he was able to properly asses after fighting him. If unable to analyze, Kiyotaka is able to determine his opponents' abilities through his intuition, which was displayed when Kiyotaka was able to completely counter a series of moves from Tsukishiro and Shiba after guessing their abilities' limits with his intuition. While fighting Tsukishiro, he anticipated Tsukishiro's plan to use a buried taser because Tsukishiro's glanced towards the ground and because it felt like Tsukishiro was intentionally taking hits, as if giving ground on purpose.)
 
Regarding uploading scans on imgur:

1) I got rate limited around the final few uploads.
2) when I put the links here, the links turned into "MEDIA" previews which showed unrelated content.

@Phoenks any ideas?

Update: tried with old imgur, it worked. though half of my references still turned into previews nonetheless.
 
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Regarding the matter on his abilities they are now reflected on OP.
Scans should be up.
 
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@RoggerReggor I don't object to anything there. but you did unintentionally repeat a part at the end.
I am sorry for the slight error. I thought that all the Tsukishiro-Shiba war feats could be added at once. I would go with the taser predictions being in the end, rather than being in-between.
Analytical Prediction (Should be massively superior to the likes of Ichika Amasawa due to much harder curriculum. When planning, he can anticipate most possibilities and prepare counter measures accordingly. Ayanokouji was able to determine that Manabu was aiming to throw his sister on the concrete when he was still pinning her. Ayanokouji analyzes Hōsen from the sides and predicts that he was aiming to harm himself. While fighting Tsukishiro, he anticipated Tsukishiro's plan to use a buried taser because Tsukishiro's glanced towards the ground and because it felt like Tsukishiro was intentionally taking hits, as if giving ground on purpose. Kiyotaka has an ability to determine his opponents' upper limits and make necessary moves according to that. Kiyotaka predicted a series of attacks from Ryuuen and mentioned that he had got a better hold of Ryuuen's upper limits, which he was able to properly assess after fighting him. If unable to analyze, Kiyotaka is able to determine his opponents' abilities through his intuition, which was displayed when Kiyotaka was able to completely counter a series of moves from Tsukishiro and Shiba after guessing their abilities' limits with his intuition. While fighting Tsukishiro, he anticipated Tsukishiro's plan to use a buried taser because Tsukishiro's glanced towards the ground and because it felt like Tsukishiro was intentionally taking hits, as if giving ground on purpose.)
Huntsman's write-up is fine with the removal, as it is only a repetition.

So, at the end, how about this?
Analytical Prediction (Should be massively superior to the likes of Ichika Amasawa due to much harder curriculum. When planning, he can anticipate most possibilities and prepare counter measures accordingly. Ayanokouji was able to determine that Manabu was aiming to throw his sister on the concrete when he was still pinning her. Ayanokouji analyzes Hōsen from the sides and predicts that he was aiming to harm himself. Kiyotaka has an ability to determine his opponents' upper limits and make necessary moves according to that. Kiyotaka predicted a series of attacks from Ryuuen and mentioned that he had got a better hold of Ryuuen's upper limits, which he was able to properly assess after fighting him. If unable to analyze, Kiyotaka is able to determine his opponents' abilities through his intuition, which was displayed when Kiyotaka was able to completely counter a series of moves from Tsukishiro and Shiba after guessing their abilities' limits with his intuition. While fighting Tsukishiro, he anticipated Tsukishiro's plan to use a buried taser because Tsukishiro's glanced towards the ground and because it felt like Tsukishiro was intentionally taking hits, as if giving ground on purpose.)
I have some more feats for his AnPr but they may likely be just repetition of his abilities.

So, for now, I think this should be fine.

Also,
For the record, Tsukishiro most likely already knew Ayanokouji's full combat prowess from the true White Room data. In fact, Ayanokouji was stronger in the White Room ("Prime") than when he fought Tsukishiro ("Current"). The proposition doesn't get invalidated due to this, so it's more of a nitpick for the record.
Maybe not. For Tsukishiro, even the Current Kiyotaka's abilities took him by a surprise. We know Tsukishiro's this statement from Y1V10:
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So, in short, Tsukishiro's primary information upon Kiyotaka came from White Room rumors.

And no freaking way, I literally mistakenly found a Superhuman LS scan for Tsukishiro. LMAO.

But in Y2V4, it is for the first time when Tsukishiro is actually realizing Kiyotaka's true extent of abilities, and he is still commending him.
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So, I don't think "most likely" would be the best thing to say, there are high chances of Tsukishiro never knowing Kiyotaka's full combat abilities.

The thing is that everything Tsukishiro knew about Kiyotaka was from rumors. These rumors would most likely be Kiyotaka's shown abilities or the White Room data which was never correct.

Hence, I would change "most likely already knew Ayanokouji's full combat prowess from the true White Room data" to "most likely knew enough of Kiyotaka's strategizing options".

We know that Tsukishiro doesn't think straight and makes quite unconventional strategies, like he focused more power on the rear instead of in the front, was trying to get intentionally hit to get momentum to lower himself, despite knowing the amount of damage he could receive, and he is literally a mature Ryuuen who verbatim confirmed that he was the kind of guy who would do anything to win.
 
Maybe not. For Tsukishiro, even the Current Kiyotaka's abilities took him by a surprise. We know Tsukishiro's this statement from Y1V10:
He’s provoking him, sounding him out. Tsukishiro is very thorough in his data collection (example: he knew what atsomui wanted before even meeting him).

And he quite literally described him as a monster in his own monologue in Y2V1 start, even though he doesn’t like to use such a word. He’s well aware of the true data.

In Vol 0 for example he knew Naoe Sensei wanted Kiyotaka as his right hand man. He knows about Kouji. Not to mention there’s an agreement to share info between Tsukishiro and Atsoumi. Add in WR wouldn’t send out Shiba and Tsukishiro without giving them proper info, as even Yagami and Ichika were given a lot. (Mostly fake data).

Hearing and reading about his accomplishments, and seeing them for yourself is quite different. Kiyotaka’s NERFED data, was so unreal the best students from other generations didn’t even believe it until they showed them Kouji. And nerfed data is far inferior.

Though this is a tangent. So let’s seize
 
When this thread concludes, would someone be willing to apply the changes to Ayanokouji’s profile? I haven’t edited the wiki before.
 
Bump, if no one has any more feedback, then I will call staff.

@Qawsedf234 apologies for the ping, but how should I proceed here?

Edit: I thought other members didn’t apply to staff. Apologies.
 
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I don't see his resistances on the revision profile you made. Is this just an oversight?
The revision profile is as it was at the start.

I will only apply changes to the revision profile first once this thread concludes. I wanna make sure I get everything right before committing to the actual page.
 
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