Austin Theory Accelerated Development CRT

[Pikaman]

Theory did not change up his fighting style whatsoever.

Well something had to change, the same shit didn’t just randomly start sticking

 

[Pikaman]

Exactly.

Theory was developing at an accelerated rate literally based off the argument you just made.

That’s not nearly at a high enough level of adaptability to be AD…

There are standards to this stuff, it would be carnage if every Tom Dick and Harry who has ever adapted at all mid-fight started asking for AD

 

[azontr]

Define “accelerated”. Being above the average human in this stuff is not what this P&A page was designed for, I can guarantee you that.

Average humans cannot gain strength and skill in the middle of a fight at all. So any form of accelerated development is "above average".

 

[RandomGuy2345]

• Battle (Formerly called "Reactive Power Level"): This is the ability to rapidly increase one's overall strength or other physical capabilities by engaging in combat, becoming more and more capable over the course of a fight. This ability can grant a significant edge in battle, as users can potentially strengthen themselves to match or exceed opponents that were previously on par with or more powerful than them. It is important to avoid confusing this ability with Reactive Evolution, which allows one to develop new powers and resistances in response to the enemy's attacks, and may encompass this ability as well in the process. By contrast, battle-oriented Accelerated Development does not grant any new abilities, it strictly improves existing ones.

This is quite literally what Theory did in the battle.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I could give this to YTTS characters huh

 

[Pikaman]

Average humans cannot gain strength and skill in the middle of a fight at all. So any form of accelerated development is "above average".

Being above average at adapting to a situation where you are at a disadvantage in a fight is basic martial arts, not a special ability

 

[azontr]

Being above average at adapting to a situation where you are at a disadvantage in a fight is basic martial arts, not a special ability

This isn't an actual response to my argument. If we followed this reasoning several form of accelerated development wouldn't be accelerated development based on the reasoning that "its just basic martial arts" when that is clearly not the case here.

 

[Bruhtelho]

I agree with OP proposals, Austin went from getting his ass beat to matching Johnny, Johnny was stated to have like every advantage on Austin but as the match went on Austin was able to match him, seems simple enough to me.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Average humans cannot gain strength and skill in the middle of a fight at all. So any form of accelerated development is "above average".

This.

The average human at best can gain a rush of adrenaline that helps them fight on for a bit longer.

No average human can suddenly develop in the middle of the fight the way Theory did.

Being above average at adapting to a situation where you are at a disadvantage in a fight is basic martial arts, not a special ability

The thing is that Theory was at a big disadvantage in the fight to the point where he was "predictable" in the eyes of Gargano. He then quickly developed and was fighting on par with him.

That's textbook AD. Not "basic martial arts."

If two regular humans got in a fight, and one Human A was stronger, faster, more skilled, and more experienced than Human B, Human B would literally get destroyed. And since he's a regular human, he/she won't be able to develop at an accelerated rate.

However, if Human B had Accelerated Development, then he'd be able to quickly adapt to these disadvantages and fight on par with him/her, which is literally what Theory did.

 

[Pikaman]

My argument is that Theory did not gain skill or strength in this fight, if I haven’t made that clear. He adapted to better suit his fighting style to face Gargano’s, or adapted in some other way that didn’t involve rapidly increasing his capabilities. I mean, 2 years later Gargano still beat Theory’s ass in very quick time

 

[Pikaman]

Johnny was stated to have like every advantage on Austin

Blatantly untrue, Theory is stated to be the clearly stronger man. An advantage he most certainly could’ve leaned into here to increase his fortunes.

 

[azontr]

My argument is that Theory did not gain skill or strength in this fight, if I haven’t made that clear. He adapted to better suit his fighting style to face Gargano’s, or adapted in some other way that didn’t involve rapidly increasing his capabilities. I mean, 2 years later Gargano still beat Theory’s ass in very quick time

2 years Gargano had to most likely train and grow stronger for their next match. Austin wouldn't be passively growing in power so nothing says Gargano couldn't have gained an immense amount of power during those 2 years to defeat Theory.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Also Austin's copying Bobby Lashley's spear counts as an AD feat

 

[First_Witch]

Oh no the WWE Goombas are at each others throat.

Certaintly a more entertaining show than watching half naked man in spandex.

 

[azontr]

Also Austin's copying Bobby Lashley's spear counts as an AD feat

That's not anything official nor is it implemented on any pages. Technique copying is still Power Mimicry.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

My argument is that Theory did not gain skill or strength in this fight, if I haven’t made that clear. He adapted to better suit his fighting style to face Gargano’s, or adapted in some other way that didn’t involve rapidly increasing his capabilities. I mean, 2 years later Gargano still beat Theory’s ass in very quick time

I literally watched the full match, and Theory went from getting his handed, to fighting on par with him.

That's literally not the full match length at all.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Also Austin's copying Bobby Lashley's spear counts as an AD feat

That's not anything official nor is it implemented on any pages. Technique copying is still Power Mimicry.

What az said.

Nothing was implied that Theory "got better" as the match went on. He simply copied Lashley's move.

 

[Pikaman]

Also Austin's copying Bobby Lashley's spear counts as an AD feat

No it ******* doesn’t

A spear, as badass as it looks, is a glorified rugby tackle. There’s no skill in it at all, and it’s a very simple move to perform. Also, I can’t remember this exact instance, and the video is private, but I bet you Theory didn’t pin him with it, implying he didn’t do it with as much proficiency as Lashley, who nearly always wins off of his spears.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

My argument is that Theory did not gain skill or strength in this fight, if I haven’t made that clear. He adapted to better suit his fighting style to face Gargano’s, or adapted in some other way that didn’t involve rapidly increasing his capabilities. I mean, 2 years later Gargano still beat Theory’s ass in very quick time

...You do realize that both Theory and Gargano both have had many, many matchups from those 2 years?

I could see your point if Theory was wrestling for 2 years, and Gargano didn't wrestle since, but they both have had many matchups where they improved a lot.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

That's not anything official nor is it implemented on any pages. Technique copying is still Power Mimicry.

Technique Mimicry is as much Power Mimicry as Analytical Prediction is Precog

 

[Pikaman]

I was quite literally speared in the damn school yard yard at lunchtime by friends back a fair while ago, anyone can do it

 

[RandomGuy2345]

No it ******* doesn’t

A spear, as badass as it looks, is a glorified rugby tackle. There’s no skill in it at all, and it’s a very simple move to perform. Also, I can’t remember this exact instance, and the video is private, but I bet you Theory didn’t pin him with it, implying he didn’t do it with as much proficiency as Lashley, who nearly always wins off of his spears.

For context, Theory copied Lashley's Spear (Power Mimicry. Very minor at that) and he was about to hit his own finisher (A-Town Down) on Lashley.

Lashley quickly countered and put in the Hurt Lock on Theory, and Theory tapped out, making Lashley the winner.

 

[azontr]

Technique Mimicry is as much Power Mimicry as Analytical Prediction is Precog

You know what I meant you ******* dork. Its not accelerated development, just Technique Mimicry.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I was quite literally speared in the damn school yard yard at lunchtime by friends back a fair while ago, anyone can do it

The thing is that the Spear is technically Lashley's finisher, so you can't really pass it off as the average football tackle.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

From 2:13 to 5:01, Gargano was literally dominating the majority of the match, while Theory was getting very little offense in, and then Theory quickly countered Gargano's move, and from there on, they basically fought on par with each other for the rest of the match, with Gargano ultimately coming out as the victor.

Also, this Gargano vs Theory match lasted for 8:50, while the one I showed in the OP lasted for 10:44. That's not a big time difference whatsoever.

 

[Pikaman]

Without trying to be funny, are you sure that’s not just momentum changing? Keeping a man down is a hell of a lot easier than getting them down in the first place.

Think of it this way.

2 Football teams (that being Soccer for you Americans) go out and begin a match. We’ll call them the red and blue team

The Blue team may go 1-0 up, and then 2-0 up. Half-Time. Game looks pretty much over, Reds look like they have nothing in the tank.

The Red Team manager gives a half-time team talk and inspires the team, makes a few minor tactical tweaks maybe, and sends them back out. 2 minutes into the Second Half the Red Team fluke a goal despite not looking much better. 2-1. But from there you fancy the Red Team to make it 2-2, or even 2-3, because they now have momentum. The Blue Team are shell shocked and demoralised, as the Red Team were in the First Half.

Momentum matters a LOT in nearly all sports, WWE emulates that

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Without trying to be funny, are you sure that’s not just momentum changing? Keeping a man down is a hell of a lot easier than getting them down in the first place.

Think of it this way.

2 Football teams (that being Soccer for you Americans) go out and begin a match. We’ll call them the red and blue team

The Blue team may go 1-0 up, and then 2-0 up. Half-Time. Game looks pretty much over, Reds look like they have nothing in the tank.

The Red Team manager gives a half-time team talk and inspires the team, makes a few minor tactical tweaks maybe, and sends them back out. 2 minutes into the Second Half the Red Team fluke a goal despite not looking much better. 2-1. But from there you fancy the Red Team to make it 2-2, or even 2-3, because they now have momentum. The Blue Team are shell shocked and demoralised, as the Red Team were in the First Half.

Momentum matters a LOT in nearly all sports, WWE emulates that

Sorry, but no.

I can probably agree with you on the second example I just gave, but the one in the OP literally has statements that prove otherwise.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

You know what I meant you ******* dork. Its not accelerated development, just Technique Mimicry.

I've seen a bunch of profiles that put "quickly master combat techniques they witnessed or read about" as AD tho

 

[Pikaman]

I was attempting to refute the example you just gave. I’ve already listed my gripes with both how there’s explanations outside of AD for Theory’s newfound success in that matchup, and how there’s a fundamental misunderstanding of what it takes to get AD in this thread

 

[azontr]

I've seen a bunch of profiles that put "quickly master skills he witnessed or read about" as AD tho

Cause that is AD lol. Instantly copying a skill is Technique Mimicry, mastering it over a relatively short period of time is AD.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I've seen a bunch of profiles that put "quickly master combat techniques they witnessed or read about" as AD tho

If that is the case, then using Bobby Lashley's Spear isn't the best example.

Theory stole Gargano's submission maneuver, though I highly doubt this is AD based on the explanation @azontr made above.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I was attempting to refute the example you just gave

Then I'll concede on that specific point then.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Theory stole Gargano's submission maneuver, though I highly doubt this is AD based on the explanation @azontr made above.

Should that be addd to Austin's profile?

 

[Pikaman]

Anyways, supporters and general membership alike seem somewhat split on this issue - our top priority should be gaining staff input

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Don't know if this helps, but Gargano did a feint move on Theory, which initially tricked Theory, but moments after, he doesn't fall for the same exact trick.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Should that be addd to Austin's profile?

Depends on whether or not it's Technique/Power Mimicry or AD.

Leaning towards the former.

 

[Pikaman]

somewhat split

Before someone pulls me up on it, I am aware a 5:2 ratio is sizeable, it’s just that there is both notable support and opposition to the CRT, hence why I said “somewhat split”, there’s not an overwhelming consensus

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Anyways, supporters and general membership alike seem somewhat split on this issue - our top priority should be gaining staff input

Staff is going to **** this up for me. I guarantee it.

 

[Pikaman]

Don't know if this helps, but Gargano did a feint move on Theory, which initially tricked Theory, but moments after, he doesn't fall for the same exact trick.

A: “Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.” Getting tricked by the same thing twice would frankly have been embarrassing for Theory

B: Theory just went in for an offensive option rather than a block before Gargano even really begun his feint, I don’t think you can call that a direct counter lol

 

[RandomGuy2345]

A: “Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.” Getting tricked by the same thing twice would frankly have been embarrassing for Theory

B: Theory just went in for an offensive option rather than a block before Gargano even really begun his feint, I don’t think you can call that a direct counter lol

Yeah, not really going to dabble into the second match Gargano and Theory had, as the one posted in the OP is far better evidence.