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Asura vs GT Goku
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How so?
In a massive debate like this it's rather hard to tell.
In a massive debate like this it's rather hard to tell.
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Even if we assume they are close in terms of AP, Goku still is more versatile and has a lot more to work with.
He has afterimage, IT + kienzan, taiyoken, forcefield, homing blasts, 10xkamehameha, dragon fist, dragon hammer and on top of that reactive power level. Hence Goku should have a clear edge in this fight even if we assume the AP gap is close.
Still imo, Goku seems to be on a higher end of 4-A but oh well...
He has afterimage, IT + kienzan, taiyoken, forcefield, homing blasts, 10xkamehameha, dragon fist, dragon hammer and on top of that reactive power level. Hence Goku should have a clear edge in this fight even if we assume the AP gap is close.
Still imo, Goku seems to be on a higher end of 4-A but oh well...
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Goku: 7
Asura: 3
Inconclusive: 1
Asura: 3
Inconclusive: 1
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That's it , then. Goku wins. Bump
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We still have to wait for the grace period to be over.
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Even without taking the multipliers into account, Goku should logically be hundreds of times stronger than he was at the beginning of the series, and he was already extremely high-end 4-A by then since Kid Buu destroyed a galaxy in two or three years and Base Goku is several times stronger than him when he fights Rildo.
However, there are official-ish multipliers for the SSJs in GT.
Episode 19
Time: Roughly 19m40s
Context: Rildo senses Goku's ki after Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan
Rildo: "Up to now, you haven't been putting out half of your power."
Rildo states that Base Goku's power is less than half the power of Super Saiyan Goku. This means that the SSj multiplier in GT is at least a little bigger than 2x. In which case, 2.5x makes the most sense.
Goku pretty much AP-stomps IMO.
However, there are official-ish multipliers for the SSJs in GT.
Episode 19
Time: Roughly 19m40s
Context: Rildo senses Goku's ki after Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan
Rildo: "Up to now, you haven't been putting out half of your power."
Rildo states that Base Goku's power is less than half the power of Super Saiyan Goku. This means that the SSj multiplier in GT is at least a little bigger than 2x. In which case, 2.5x makes the most sense.
Goku pretty much AP-stomps IMO.
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Nah.
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If Goku one shots then it IS a stomp, neither of them has any hax and Asura can't damage Goku, and gets killed in one shot.
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Debunke, over and over again
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Chakravartin sucking a galaxy was never debunked. It's literally the reaso why he is 4-A.
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Oh....
Still, if he gets ap stomped, then it IS a stomp
Still, if he gets ap stomped, then it IS a stomp
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Also, i don't know why this was rejected, but Mr. Popo states in a flashback that, in the far past, the Evil Dragons appeared in a planet, and that planet was immediately wiped out, as were the galaxies surrounding it:
This was apparently debunked, but i literally can't find the "debunk" for this.
This was apparently debunked, but i literally can't find the "debunk" for this.
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"Immediately destroyed" doesn't imply an overtime destruction.
Regardless, i'll try to find the debunk for this.
Regardless, i'll try to find the debunk for this.
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It at least checks with the statement that Omega Shenron was slowly destroying the universe with his energy. Even if the key word is "slowly", the universe is huge in size and made of billions upon billions of galaxies. Out of logic we can conclude that Omega Shenron's energy is able to destroy 1 galaxy in an instant at his bare minimum. If we take into account that Omega Shenron = Syn Shenron x10, SS4 has roughly 1/10th of that power, too.Kepekley23 said:Also, i don't know why this was rejected, but Mr. Popo states in a flashback that, in the far past, the Evil Dragons appeared in a planet, and that planet was immediately wiped out, as were the galaxies surrounding it:
This was apparently debunked, but i literally can't find the "debunk" for this.
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The DBGT universe is only the size of 4 galaxies.
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It's more of a decisive match rather than being a stomp because we can't pinpoint how far Asura gets on the 4-A scale with respect to Goku.
Goku takes it by having likely higher AP and more versatility. Not a stomp.
Goku takes it by having likely higher AP and more versatility. Not a stomp.
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I found it. Apparently, it was rejected because the Evil Dragon who did this is unknown.
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I did, not too long ago.
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Ok, this should be closed now due to it being an obvious stomp, thanks to the recent upgrades, SSJ4 Goku normally is now 3-C, with him even reaching 3-B via Dragon Fist, Asura is really outclassed now
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