Ash vs Ladybug

[Mickey1940]

More Base Ash spam! Yay!


Gen VIII Ash vs Marinette

No Pokemon, no Miraculous

Both get 2 days of prep, but no weapons are allowed

Fight takes place in the streets of France, giving Marinette the home court advantage

Who wins?


The kid who ages:

The kid who doesn't:

 

[ElixirBlue]

You can't restrict the Pokémon. It's his standard equipment.

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

You can't restrict the Pokémon. It's his standard equipment.

It can actually be done as Ash has a key for himself outside of his Pokémon and a different one with them.

Anyways. Ash can't get through Marinette's durability. Neither can Marinette get through Ash's.

 

[GoCommitDi]

So, I guess its just a battle of who has the superior stamina?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I don't think any of them have anything they can do with prep to get an advantage, and since neither of them can even harm each other, I guess it'll end in a draw.

Also, does it matters which generation Ash is used? He's not changed in terms of AP or durability throughout the series (If he would, he would have more than one rating for them).

I'll vote Inconclusive since it really seems like this match will end in a draw

 

[Mickey1940]

I don't think any of them have anything they can do with prep to get an advantage, and since neither of them can even harm each other, I guess it'll end in a draw.

Also, does it matters which generation Ash is used? He's not changed in terms of AP or durability throughout the series (If he would, he would have more than one rating for them).

I'll vote Inconclusive since it really seems like this match will end in a draw

I mean I just chose the most recent one. But yeah, it really doesn't matter

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I mean I just chose the most recent one. But yeah, it really doesn't matter

Prep time doesn't really matters as well, since both never showed to do anything combat related with prep

 

[Mickey1940]

I mean I just chose the most recent one. But yeah, it really doesn't matter

Prep time doesn't really matters as well, since both never showed to do anything combat related with prep

I added prep for the hell of it as well lol

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I added prep for the hell of it as well lol

Well, what could possibly go wrong with prep lol

 

[Mickey1940]

i mean, i never restricted master balls...

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

i mean, i never restricted master balls...

They won't do anything to her. She isn't a pokémon. Pokéballs (and even the master ball) can't be used to catch humans (as shown in BW002 with Ash and Iris). Also, Ash never had the master ball. There was only like one person who had the master ball, and he wasted it when he tried to catch a whiscash. And the whiscash swallowed the master ball...

 

[Mickey1940]

oh yeah

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Bump

 

[CryoTheMayo]

So, I guess its just a battle of who has the superior stamina?

If it is, it's hard for me to say if Ladybug has better stamina or not. Ash's profile describes the Stamina feat he has, but Ladybug's profile is pretty vague on stamina, just saying she can 'run long distances' and claims she is Superhuman.

Ash, to contrast, has run for at least a good few hours straight (Daylight to Sunset, stated on his profile) and I'm pretty sure he has done that in several episodes.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

So, I guess its just a battle of who has the superior stamina?

If it is, it's hard for me to say if Ladybug has better stamina or not. Ash's profile describes the Stamina feat he has, but Ladybug's profile is pretty vague on stamina, just saying she can 'run long distances' and claims she is Superhuman.
Ash, to contrast, has run for at least a good few hours straight (Daylight to Sunset, stated on his profile) and I'm pretty sure he has done that in several episodes.

Her stamina as Marinette is unknown, and her Superhuman stamina as Ladybug comes from scalimg to Cat Noir, whose energy gave Timebreaker about six minutes, while the other humans gave her only few seconds each. Also, Cat Noir when he was Aspik managed to rewind time more than 25,000 times and fight to save Ladybug from Desperada for at least 2 months

Also, since none can hurt each other at all, I'm pretty sure both Ash and Marinette realize that they can't harm each other, they'll stop fighting. So it'll be inconclusive / draw

 

[CryoTheMayo]

According to SBA, the characters can't give up of their own accord or because they think they can't win. So I don't think they can reach an inconclusive result by realising they can't hurt eachother.

If Marinette has unknown stamina w/o Miraculous, then Ash has a clear advantage over her. Seeing as he can run for at least 2-3 hours straight without exhaustion. We also know he has Superhuman speed, whereas Marinette is unknown (another factor we can't help but give Ash the advantage in, by default).

But I think the biggest thing Ash has, that people tend to heavily neglect, is that he has Class 10 lifting strength. Ash can literally pin Marinette to the ground and force her to submit.

Also, can someone show me the calcs for their AP scaling? Ash has Building-level durability, Marinette only has Wall-level (which is Ash's AP). Ash's Wall-level AP is from throwing a log and tackling down an iron door, but Marinette's durability is from taking no damage from a kick that obliterated a door (1.4 Megajoules was the calc for it). So how high does Ash's AP scale for tackling down an iron door?

Overall I'm seeing here:

• Durability vs Durability - Ash wins (Building-level vs Wall-level)

• Speed vs Speed - Ash wins (Marinette is unknown, Ash is superhuman. So he wins by default)

• Stamina vs Stamina - Ash seems to win (Marinette is unknown, Ash is superhuman)

• Lifting strength vs Lifting Strength - Ash stomps (Class 10 versus normal human)

• AP vs AP - ???

• Intelligence vs Intelligence - They sound very similar as tacticians, but the ToP arena doesn't allow them to use their tactics properly. Marinette may have an edge with prep time.

Overall, even if we remove the unknown stats we see Ash still seems to have some pretty notable advantages here. So I'm leaning to him right now.

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

On a second though. I got it wrong. Ash Stopms here.

I though that his AP was 32 KJ. When he's actually 206 kj.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

On a second though. I got it wrong. Ash Stopms here.
I though that his AP was 32 KJ. When he's actually 206 kj.

So? He still can't harm Marinette, since she survived a 1.45 megajoules attack from Bakerix unharmed

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

So? He still can't harm Marinette, since she survived a 1.45 megajoules attack from Bakerix unharmed

For a character to be unharmed by another attack, the attack should be a minimum of 7.5x below the Durability of the one who receives the attack. Ash's AP is slightly below 7.0x of Marinette's Durability. He can harm her, wherever slightly or not.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

For a character to be unharmed by another attack, the attack should be a minimum of 7.5x below the Durability of the one who receives the attack. Ash's AP is slightly below 7.0x of Marinette's Durability. He can harm her, wherever slightly or not.

The 1.45 megajoules is a minimum since she wasn't hurt by that attack, so just being slightly above it would make Ash unable to hurt her at all, but if Ash can still hurt her despite that, then I guess it's a stomp since now Marinette has no win condition while Ash would have

 

[CryoTheMayo]

Yeah, Ash can easily toss her around, has much higher durability and can at least hurt her slightly with every attack.

 

[Mickey1940]

@CryoTheMayo

This isn't taking place in the ToP Arena. This is in the Tournament of Destroyers Arena, the one in the U6 arc

I'm changing it to France cause I wanna see how they can use the environment

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

@CryoTheMayo
This isn't taking place in the ToP Arena. This is in the Tournament of Destroyers Arena, the one in the U6 arc

I'm changing it to France cause I wanna see how they can use the environment

We need more Miraculous and Dragon Ball crossovers. Too bad DB is too strong though. Pokèmon and Dragon Balls corssovers would be great too, though Pokèmon are still not strong enough unless we use Legendaries

But in all seriousness, since both were in France or France-like regions (Lumiose City is similar to Paris in the Pokèmon world), I have no idea how that would help them. At least here their lifting strength won't matter anymore because even if he throws her she wouldn't be hurt in the slightest.

Neither of them makes comat related things with prep time, so that wouldn't really help them

Now I don't think Ash stomps anymore, but rather it becomes inconclusive

 

[CryoTheMayo]

I assume Marinette has the intel advantage here, due to having two days preptime and working in a familiar environment, but Ash is an extremely talented climber and is capable of wall-running. He might be able to use the environment to great advantage if his strategies are anything like his pokemon battling.

Marinette has an obvious advantage in terms of experience as a human combatant, but Ash has never been afraid to get physical with humans if he has to, or even pokemon. So his higher physicals and tactical experience might be able to take excellent advantage of the city.

 

[Yapmaci1234]

Ash can win since he survived Pokemon attacks without any of his Pokemon, bur Marinette never showed us that she can win without Ladybug.

But there is a chance of Marinette winning too.