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No to the second bit, at least- his undead control is only based on creatures A. not already under control (if hes stronger than the controller then this doesn't matter) and B. not as strong as himAparajita said:Orcus through versatility and i'd argue that Orcus would be able to control Arthas.
And Arthas outclasses almost everything in his universe- casually brought back one of the most powerful dragons, is comparable to Kil'Jaeden and Illidan at his minimum form (much less his newer form of badassery), not to mention that a good portion of Orcus' powers don't work on a dead guy.Aparajita said:Orcus is one of the strongest demon lords. He's above Arthas in power and influence.
What makes Orcus that? He's a powerful magic user no doubt but uh... when did Orcus go nuclear? Except for maybe wish in certain circumstances I suppose, but that takes mojo and time.Promestein said:Pretty sure characters that scale to Orcus have feats vastly above Tier 7.
Again, not exactly. I never remember a Small Planet busting lolth- she's meant to be killed by high level players who are probably around 8-C tops (not including magic). As far as I know, Damnation and Wish are Orcus' best spells and both take time, moreso on Damnation's part (Damnation will send the target directly to his layer of the abyss, in case you're wondering, which wouldn't matter for this bit).Promestein said:That doesn't mean Orcus isn't strong, and being stronger than Lolth's creations doesn't mean he's stronger than Lolth herself, who would be vastly beyond his paygrade.