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Are these Plot Manipulation?

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1. A character has an aura that changes and warps the nature of a book, causing the book to add more contents to itself and subsequently bring those contents into reality. Said book also contains an entire reality within itself.

2. A character uses a spell to write a story (not a book, just an unwritten narrative), and can subsequently use that story as a trigger for other magical effects.
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
Don't think so, it's not the story or narrative of the world, just turning them into reality and having them produce effects.
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In the latter case it's writing the story first and then having the effects carry over, so idk how that'd work, since it's technically imposing a narrative on reality. Same goes for affecting a story in which the story itself is an entire low 2-C structure.
 
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara said:
In the latter case it's writing the story first and then having the effects carry over, so idk how that'd work, since it's technically imposing a narrative on reality.
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Ya, Subjective Reality and Plot Manipulation sometimes clash with one another, one is turning unreality/fiction into reality, and the other is manipulating the world as if it's a fictional story/narrative, etc.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara said:
Same goes for affecting a story in which the story itself is an entire low 2-C structure.
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If the reality the book contains is a Low 2-C Structure, and changing the story of the book affects the Low 2-C Structure then sure that's Plot Manip. Though it's ability to produce magic effects would just be magic and text manipulation.
 
I wanted to say subjective reality, but looking at the second example, it would be advanced reality wraping due to creating magics.
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
Honestly after running into Glass once in a Versus Battle, I just decided to avoid any verses he deals with. He's really aggressive.
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:FrogMmmGlass~1:

Glass trying to imitate an average MG supporter
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
Castlevania has it so this should fly as well
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It's not just for that, in fact this is a secondary thing. The grimoire is a world of its own that replicates the events of the "real world". So it's like he's a timeline in book format. When monsters rewrite the grimoire, thus altering events, they obviously alter their own world since their world is their own grimoire.

Robo said:
being aggressive is a good debating tactic
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Nobody is perfect. there was that guy from bleach who was worse
 
DigDig09 said:
Not that ez to git gud. Oh I heard that some uses AI to debate nowdays. Is it true?
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cant verify but using AI would be ass because it wouldnt be able to understand the logic behind how scaling / vs debates really work.

Maybe irl debates ? but vs debates are really more niche
 
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara said:
1. A character has an aura that changes and warps the nature of a book, causing the book to add more contents to itself and subsequently bring those contents into reality. Said book also contains an entire reality within itself.

2. A character uses a spell to write a story (not a book, just an unwritten narrative), and can subsequently use that story as a trigger for other magical effects.
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MGK book of traces has same context which you rejected 😭
 
BoastJr said:
maybe you could use it to ask philosophical / theoretical stuff and try to equate things using passage from a text but even then I am not sure if it would work.
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No my friend say the AI can refuse and make statement in debate even for high tier stuff but maybe it just rumor seen he also never saw it.
 
Bringing out content from a book is either subjective reality or immersion but since it doesnt mention immersing. Then subjective reality.

Depends on how the mechanics works.
If it isn't directly mentioning interaction with the plot of the narrative from which reality is narrated from and is merely writing as personal narrative and making it real then it is also subjective reality by forcing what it has written to happen in reality.
 
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