Archie Sonic Vs. Lavos

[ShakeResounding]

The Power Null leaves the being as a dry husk that's not able to do anything due to their powers being drained. I don't think it's even necessary to kill anything at that rate.

 

[Sadistic_Sleuth]

"Beings that are Omnipresent on a 2-A scale. Not sure of that's comparable to Type 3 Acausality tho."

Can it interact with NEP?

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Lavos FRA.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

@Bob

You forgot Ion's vote

 

[Bobsican]

Sorry, added.

 

[GyroNutz]

Lavos FRA. If Sonic nulls one Lavos, he gets haxed by infinite others.

 

[Jinsye]

Lavos FRA

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Sonic FRA

 

[ElixirBlue]

Lavos voters still hasn't explain how Low 2-C Lavos deals with a thought based 2-A(space and time) power drain sword.

 

[ShakeResounding]

@Sadistic Yes siree. By virtue of affecting Enerjak, who should have all the powers of Chaos Knuckles, who should have NEP but doesn't. I'll get the scans when I have time

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Sonic voters still hasnt explained how Sonic deals with nonexistents who lacks their own concepts

Edit: Ninja'd ffs

 

[Sadistic_Sleuth]

@ShakeResounding he won't be dealing with Non Existents until the CRT get's accepted. What if it gets rejected?

 

[Schnee_One]

Since when was powernull an incapacitation method?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

And Sonic voters still haven't explained how Low 2-C Sonic deals with thought based 2-A absorption and BFR.

Also the sword has...never possessed Sonic, or anyone else but Sally for that matter, so not sure why we'd assume it's possess him at all. For all we know it could be something it can only do to Sally.

 

[Bobsican]

@ShakeResounding he won't be dealing with Non Existents until the CRT get's accepted. What if it gets rejected?

Then the match can be delayed until then.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Then Lavos wins. You know the deal, Sleuth

 

[Sadistic_Sleuth]

You can redo this match once Enerjak becomes non-existent

 

[Bobsican]

Very well.

This can be closed as wtih the current stuff Sonic at best incons.

 

[Schnee_One]

Can't even do that since Outliving is a thing

 

[ShakeResounding]

And Sonic voters still haven't explained how Low 2-C Sonic deals with thought based 2-A absorption and BFR.

Also the sword has...never possessed Sonic, or anyone else but Sally for that matter, so not sure why we'd assume it's possess him at all. For all we know it could be something it can only do to Sally.

Same as how Lavos deals with thought-based 2-A Power Null.

Faulty reasoning, as Sally has much less experience with the Chaos Force and its energy as well as the Sword of Acorns already previously interacting with Sonic anyways.

 

[ElixirBlue]

"Killing Non-Corporeal Beings: Incorporeal beings can be killed through;

• Soul Manipulation, as long as the entity in question has a soul.
• Reality Warping
• Conceptual Manipulation
• Time Manipulation"

Sword of Acorns:

Powers and Abilities:

• Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2)

 

[GyroNutz]

By the time Sonic realises he has to null infinite Lavos, he gets absorbed.

Btw what feats does Sonic have of nulling an ability on the level of Lavos' absorption?

 

[ElixirBlue]

By the time Sonic realises he has to null infinite Lavos, he gets absorbed.

Btw what feats does Sonic have of nulling an ability on the level of Lavos' absorption?

Not Sonic but the possessing Sword of Acorns has those feats.

 

[GyroNutz]

Name them

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@Gyro. Master Mogul nullified Enerjak (Archie Pre-Genesis Wave). Granted, it was an avatar.

 

[GyroNutz]

Oh I heard from somewhere that Lavos' absorption was 5-D

 

[Schnee_One]

Since when was powernull an incapacitation method?

Asking this again

 

[ElixirBlue]

After the absorption, Dimitri was Avatar no more. Alive, but no longer an avatar.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Oh I heard from somewhere that Lavos' absorption was 5-D

It is for TD's high end. If TD is Low 1-C, Lavos' absorption is Low 1-C (and I mean Lavos, as in 5-A onwards)

 

[Jinsye]

Oh I heard from somewhere that Lavos' absorption was 5-D

That's divisive

Some knowledgeable people say it's 5-D because it scales to the Chrono Cross while some other knowledgeable people say it doesn't

 

[ElixirBlue]

Asking this again

Before 2-A drai. After 2-A drai.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

"Killing Non-Corporeal Beings:
Incorporeal beings can be killed through;

• Soul Manipulation, as long as the entity in question has a soul.
• Reality Warping
• Conceptual Manipulation
• Time Manipulation"

Sword of Acorns:

Powers and Abilities:

• Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2)

Non corporeal and Intangibles =/= Nonexistents

Also, upcoming High Godly

 

[ElixirBlue]

Non corporeal and Intangibles =/= Nonexistents

Also, upcoming High Godly

I'm not seeing Non-existents on his first 2 keys. Wait...

Lavos's wiki page: Non-Corporeal (Exists in non-existence)

 

[ShakeResounding]

If High-Godly isn't on the profile, stop talking about it. Get served

Regardless, when Lavos gets High-Godly this'll be a stomp. No means of killing him across a 2-A scale if Sonic can't kill him to begin with, and apparently there's doubts of Power Null even being a means of incapacitation which I think is dubious, but fine , leaving Sonic with a wincon of... Nothing. Great.

 

[GyroNutz]

His feats won't change, its regen standards that are changing

 

[ShakeResounding]

Oh, really? Then why is High-Godly being made a big deal if it's just the same?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Spectating.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Lavos regenerated after having himself and his concept destroyed/erased, which is High Godly under the new revisions

 

[ShakeResounding]

Ah. So this is a stomp? Sonic's only means of winning are as follows:

1. Conceptual Erasure, which won't work soon duento High-Godly.

2. Power Nullification, which won't matter as he has Type 3 Acausality. Which wouldn't have been a problem due to Precognition if not for the first part.

 

[GyroNutz]

Should I close the thread then?