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Arceus vs Enerjak
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Sigh. Arceus' true form (the Heart/Original Spirit) does not use the Plates at all.
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True Form doesn't use those, as it IS the plates lol.
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Ok, so plates are outside Arceus' creation? Because the whole existence (thus including the plates) are just an aspect of it.
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He can be not amped by them if he doesn't have them, as shown in the movie
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Plates aren't in optional equipment, so you can't restrict any of those anyway.
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That's the avatar, dumbo.
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That's his AVATAR
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Ok I removed that
They power arceus' life, which is the original spirit
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You're the one derailing here with this petty argument, and do you think I'm just not allowed to disagree with people?
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MB Arceus when it got bumped to Tier 1, but the layers of hax it has in 4D are no more.
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CT and avatars have it, and plates can negate that. Both CM1 and offensive void hax.
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Fodder Dialga/Palkia were unaffected by their fight which was erasing everything in a dimension
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oh wait yeah forgot about that
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So 4D Power Nullification and Resistances. Because the 5D True Form has not shown these powers or resisted these powers on a 5D level.
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Keep repeating this all you want, doesn't change that isn't how this works.
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5D* because the True Form obviously outclasses all it’s avatars hax on a dimensional level, could you imagine a match between True Form Arceus and say Dialga and we were saying “well the time hax are both 4-D/Equal…” it’s dumb
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Where is that even said lmao
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The burden of proof is on you here. You don't get a jump in dimensional level on the hax you get from upscaling just because it "dumb" that the hax it gets from upscaling from Dialga isn't any different to when Dialga itself uses it. That isn’t how the Wiki works.
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Your arguments would make sense if Arceus is still 4D in existence and has just Low 1-C AP, or if its 5D existence is not superior to 4D.
But in this case is 5D with also superiority, so anything it has is baseline simply for the reason any 3D being has 3D haxes at minimum.
But in this case is 5D with also superiority, so anything it has is baseline simply for the reason any 3D being has 3D haxes at minimum.
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The Plates had little to nothing to do with it's upgrade besides maybe some text inscribed on them being some form of supportive evidence. It created them and the Plates giving them powers is why it gain their abilities from upscaling, does not mean said same abilities are on it's level.
A character being 5D or 4D so everything it has is 5D or 4D is a common misconception on this Wiki. It's not true, you still need proof that stuff it gains through upscaling and the like are on it's level.
A character being 5D or 4D so everything it has is 5D or 4D is a common misconception on this Wiki. It's not true, you still need proof that stuff it gains through upscaling and the like are on it's level.
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Show me where is said that.
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Once again. You have it the wrong way around. You have to show me where this assumption you all have is in the rules.
That a 5D being simply having a abilities makes it's 5D.
Edit: Bit of an oversimplification, if the 5D being is shown having using the ability itself then we don't have to look too deep into. But if the ability is gained through upscaling and is never actively used by the 5D entity. Then yes.
That a 5D being simply having a abilities makes it's 5D.
Edit: Bit of an oversimplification, if the 5D being is shown having using the ability itself then we don't have to look too deep into. But if the ability is gained through upscaling and is never actively used by the 5D entity. Then yes.
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Has it ever used these abilities itself? You have any feats of it using them?
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Like bruh
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What's wrong with this guy
Why the heck is Arceus LOW 1C in the first place.
He's 5D both in power and in being.
Make a downgrade crt then
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