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Arceus' Acausality

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In my recent thread (it's closed now), I suggested Arceus gain either Acausality or an ability that shouldn't be named. Many people agreed Arceus should at least have Acausality on his(?) profile.
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Give this man acausality
 
Well, it would be good if you show the particular showing of this, though I believe the jewel of life timetravel thing demonstrates that and PMD dialga and celibi probably as well, so this is probably fine.

(Someone should really search for some particular instance though and link it in the profile as feat then. It's better to have sources for stuff)
 
Showings are not needed, to be Tier 2 period you have to be Accasual and Arceus is nearing the 2-A tier right now as a 2-B, possibly more

That alone should suffice in him being accasual.
 
Anime4Life2020 said:
Showings are not needed, to be Tier 2 period you have to be Accasual and Arceus is nearing the 2-A tier right now as a 2-B, possibly more
That alone should suffice in him being accasual.
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Ehhhh, no.

You can be Tier 2, but have never destroyed your own past in any timeline.

For example if you only have created timelines, you don't require the ability to have messed with your own past without your present self being affected.

If you rewrite timelines it could be that if you rewrite your past self your present self changes as well. You would still be 2-C, but not acausal.

If you destroy timelines, which are not your own, you don't touch your own past and also don't need to be acausal.


So yeah, you need showings for almost every ability. As said, in Arceus case probably no problem, but to actually have them at hand would be nice.

Haruhi Suzumiya would be an example of a not acausal 2-C.
 
Celebi in its first movie died and its past and future versions werent effected, they even brought it back to life. It can simutaneously exist throughout multiple timelines

What makes you think that cant apply to Dialga, let alone Arceus?
 
Anime4Life2020 said:
Celebi in its first movie died and its past and future versions werent effected, they even brought it back to life. It can simutaneously exist throughout multiple timelines
What makes you think that cant apply to Dialga, let alone Arceus?
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..........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Who said I think that it doesn't? I just said it would be nice if someone could actually bring up footage and reasoning for the point instead of making a thread with just "We should give him that ability".

You know, like putting minimum effort and quality insurance into stuff.
 
I'll do my best to explain. There's A4L's reason, and the fact that Celebi was unaffected in the causality loop it created. And it has been stated in PMD that all time related abilities Celebi has are laughable to Dialga. And if Dialga is acausal, then so is Arceus.
 
Are we sure we should scale non-canon material, such as PMD, to mainline? Because Matt and I have had extensive discussions when it comes to Saint Seiya and agreed that we cannot scale non-canon to canon, only the reverse.
 
Well, the fact that they aren't connected to the main games and were made by an external party, for one.
 
The manga takes place in the same world, follows the rules imposed by the games, and is approved of by the game's creator.

PMD series blatantly contradict the main games.
 
I suppose that TRCH seems to make sense. The only issue being what we consider canon or not, especially given that the Pokemon franchise seems to use some form of composite profiles, in lack of better options.
 
@Tiv unlike Saint Seiya, Pokemon does not have a "canon" universe. While the games are primary canon, when stop to consider that every single game sold is a separate Universe, which one would be the "canon" one, since the player is the main protagonist of the game which one do we chose, my game where I chose Charmander or Cal's where he chose Squirtle or maybe some else's? Then you consider that every single Universe connected to one another and anyone can visit another Universe, be it the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Universes or the Anime one, making anyone canon absolutely impossible to define in Pokemon.
 
Sorry mate, but trying to use different game cartridges to justify different universes is beyond ridiculous. The main games and anything that actually follows them is canon. Period. You can scale the non-canon games from them, but not the other way around.
 
Even if we don't take PMD as canon, Dialga > Celebi, and Dialga, as time itself, should logically be capable of anything Celebi is.
 
If you can scale from canon material, then fine. Although, while I don't remember that movie much, I certainly don't remember Celebi demonstrating acausality there. Could be wrong though.
 
Yeah pokemon like Digimon revolves around composite files due to the nature of the verse as a whole. Unlike Saint Seiya in which is kind of streamline like a normal shonen. Pokemon in nature i really all over the place. And thanks to Zinnia confirming that each game(not every game sold) and remake is a separate universe we can pretty much accept PMD as a separate universe. Heck in those games they reference the "human world" And the main character somehow automatically knows what a pokemon is. And since a world without pokemon has never been shown and is very unlikely, it is very likely the MC in PMD is a human from the "main" games.
 
Saint Seiya is not a streamline, every universe is part of a massive multiverse. Matt and I still don't scale non-canon material like Lost Canvas to canon material like the Classic.

There's a reason why we separated the PMD profiles on Mewtwo and other pokemon pages.
 
Tivanenk said:
Saint Seiya is not a streamline, every universe is part of a massive multiverse. Matt and I still don't scale non-canon material like Lost Canvas to canon material like the Classic.
There's a reason why we separated the PMD profiles on Mewtwo and other pokemon pages.
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I thought Lost Canvas was a prequel or was that Next Dimension? Heck LC Hades is even on the file. So you'd think it was canon. Anyway. what's the problem? Radical and Cal pretty much summed it up well. It's impossible to find a true canon for Pokemon. While the games are considered it, there are to many factors into it. Such as like Radical said. The team of pokemon, caught pokemon, losses and victories.


About Mewtwo's file. It is still composite as it uses feats from multiple sources. Mewtwo's recent 6-B upgrade was due to the manga while his original High 7-A-6-C stats were based off the first movie.
 
why isnt PMD canon? Its made by the same creator right? It even references the "human world" which is the one of the main series, the pokemln in PMD know what a human is, your character knows what Pokemon are. Even gardevoir and gengar subplot revolves around a trainer who was mean to the pokemon. So... why are they not canon?
 
Nope. It's made by Spike Chunsoft, not Gamefreak. And the humans have no connection to the main games.
 
I stand by my original decision. Acausality: yes, (Why is this the ability that can't be named?): no.
 
Based on what TRCH mentioned, it seems like he should probably have the ability.
 
Well, I am uncertain about the other two, since they are not related to time, but I will unlock Arceus and Dialga.
 
On the other hand, if they can fight evenly with Dialga, without being erased, I suppose that it makes sense if they have acausality, but it is probably uncertain speculation.
 
They were created at the same time, and according to someone up above, Giratina has demonstrated acausality (likely due to Giratina being aware that it was put into a time loop in movie 11, but the scan he gave was from the manga), but it would probably be best to leave it.

On another note, just thought of something. Would they also have causality manipulation because of the same reason I gave? (Celebi has demonstrated causality manipulation before)
 
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