Another SCP Fights Monika

[Dargoo_Faust]

Monika develops a crush on Talloran, and decides to try and save him from the clutches of 3999.

Speed is equalized.

Monika -

SCP-3999 -

Incon -

 

[Agnaa]

I don't see 3999 taking this without memory manipulation. most of its hax is only good on corporeals. Monika, however, could win through time manip, plot manip, mind manip, and likely EE.

Given that Monika's really likely to open up with one of those haxes, while 3999 has a variety of hax that won't work (and which it won't realize won't work), my vote's for Monika.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Type 8 immortality>existence erasure

Plus void manipulation means manipulating non existence which should be enough to kill monika

 

[Agnaa]

While that type 8 is tied to Talloran, I realize now that from the situation outlined by OP, Monika probably won't erase Talloran.

I assumed that void manipulation would function on the material plane. i.e. that it wouldn't affect incorporeals, non-existing Monika's corporeal body won't affect her non-corporeal one.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Also resistance to one of her abilities and much better mind control

 

[Agnaa]

Sure, 3999 has resistance to Power Nullification, but Monika hasn't really used power nullification in that way, only using it to prevent the player from saving/loading. It's not something that she opens with, or that would help her win even here if she could use it.

"Better" mind control wouldn't matter if they could both mind wipe each other.

However, being able to win with time/plot/mind manip (the latter two of which Monika always opens with), compared to 3999 only being able to win with mind manip which it doesn't seem to have an express preference for, I'm keeping my vote with Monika.

 

[Cropfist]

3999 has its own plot manipulation.

 

[Agnaa]

Yes, but Monika has plot manip as well as resistance to it. If 3999 gets plot manipped into incapacitation it can't then plot manip itself back in due to being incapped. If 3999 tries to plot manip first Monika would resist.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Both have decent plot manipulation but 3999's other abilities are way better and if she has a crush on Talloran she's not killing SCP-3999 permanently

 

[Kirbyelmejor]

Did Monika have Resurrection? Because she can kill Talloran and later resurrect him

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Does that work on others or only herself? Plus she doesen't know where his type 8 comes from.

 

[Agnaa]

3999's other abilities aren't "way better", they wouldn't affect the non-corporeal Monika.

Monika does have resurrection that works on others, but likely won't kill Talloran to use it.

 

[Kirbyelmejor]

That work on others, but you have a point that she doesn't know about the immortality

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

In extended canon, remember that Telekill can powernull this, and 3999 wasn't affected by it at all.

Not saying that counts here, but it's resistances are pretty high.

The situation was a joke, although Monika has no way of knowing about 3999's weakness, and it isn't going to let her get near him, honestly.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Monika doesen't have any way around his immortality unless he kills Talloran, and there's no way for her to know he's the cause of the immortality. Meanwhile 3999 can just use void manipulation.

 

[Jinsye]

Void Manipulation won't work since Monika will just come back nonexistent.

I see a lack of resistance to mind manip or plot manip for him.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

SCP-3999's sadism might mean it doesn't immediatly try and hax Monica into submission, though.

Monica also still has Timehax, which 3999 doesn't really have counters to.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

"Everything, at all times forever"


"Timehax"


Hmmm....

 

[Agnaa]

It's only "possibly omnipresent" and not just "omnipresent" for a reason.

And again, Monika always opens with mind hax/plot manip, two things which 3999 won't be able to stop. While 3999 would have to open with mind hax to win.

Sure, 3999 may luck into a win 1 out of 10 times, but Monika would still take it the vast majority of the time.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

It's "Possibly" as that's stated on the file itself (Which is a hot mess), and not by Talloran or the Foundation, making it pretty unreliable.

@Agnaa And it's even less likely to open with more potent hax given how sadistic it is.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Votes:

Monika - 2 (Agnaa, Edward)

Talloran's Waifu - 1 (Zack)

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Monika FRA then.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Monika - 3 (Agnaa, Edward, Velox)

Talloran's Waifu - 1 (Zack)

 

[Kople700]

Being completely obsessed with 3999 over the course of a few months, Assuming this is in character. I'd probably have to go inconclusive. Since 3999's obviously sadistic. He would definitely not kill monika right off the bat. Especially when she's trying to save Talloran. the person he's been torturing for so long. His type 8 will also prove nigh-impossible to get around, since: A: she can't get the answer straight from Talloran where the immortality comes from. And B: like someone earlier said: type 8 > Existence erasure. But, however. On 3999's side. He doesn't really have any super helpful hax that monika doesn't resist. So, Sorry everyone who wants monika to win. But I'm voting inconclusive for the time being.

 

[Agnaa]

@Kople700 Plot manip, and mind manip get around type 8 by incapacitating for a win as per SBA. And Monika always opens with those.

You don't need to kill to win as per SBA. You could also knockout for one hour, incapacitate for 24 hours, or BFR for 1 week.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Am I allowed to say that telekill materials work on High 1-Bs or is the page canon thing in effect here? Because if it is, then I have to say resistance to power null is pretty useless here, as we don't know the full strength of the Scantron Reality Anchors.

Also about 3339 not killing Monika due to being obsessed, it's not obsessed per se, it just needs at least one person to percieve it in order to stay alive. Not killing Talloran was a must in order for it to do all the crazy things it did. It couldn't care less about everyone else. 3339 would much sooner kill Monika than keep her alive.

 

[Agnaa]

Telekill would just be page canon.

Also, Scranton Reality Anchors are different to telekill, I'm pretty sure they don't scale to each other.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Both are capable of nulling 1-B phenomena in extended canon though.

Anyway, 3339's plot manip is less impresive compared to Monika, who can exist outside the plot. 3339 is reliant on Talloran and even with plot manip, couldn't stop Talloran from killing himself.

Place me under Monika winning.

 

[Agnaa]

Really? I thought reality anchors could only detect some 1-B phenomena but not stop it, while telekill could stop specifically 239.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

I was under the assumption they were used to contain reality warpers. I've read up some SCPs that are contained this way. Plus, the Solidarity uses weaponized Reality Anchors that act as power null.

 

[Agnaa]

They are , but those reality warpers usually cap out at planet level. Are Solidarity's Reality Anchors actually doing the same thing as Scranton Reality Anchors? If so they're probably closer to 2-C.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Realtity Anchors are like Telekill, but less of a plot device.

They function more by causing an aura of "normalcy", stabilizing the Hume level of an area. By doing this, it makes it hard for Reality Warpers, who in-verse need low hume levels for their powers to function. However, many times it can be bypassed by the sheer strength of a warper/trancendence, and Anchors also have many issues of their own. They don't really have a Tier, and are typically bypassed by higher dimensional/multiversal beings like 3999.

Telekill has no weaknesses, and while some SCPs tried to present that like 035, 90% of the other articles that used it caused it to function as an umbrella term for "nullifies anomalous shit", which caused it to be wanked to 1-B when you factor it with SCPs like 239.

 

[Kople700]

@Kople700 Plot manip, and mind manip get around type 8 by incapacitating for a win as per SBA. And Monika always opens with those.
You don't need to kill to win as per SBA. You could also knockout for one hour, incapacitate for 24 hours, or BFR for 1 week.

Scp-3999 exhibits both of these. And refering to the feat of nullifying Reality Anchors. Reality Anchors have anchored much more powerful things (Albiet for a short ammount of time) I believe 239 had some reality anchors. So unless monika can resist these hax on a 1-B level then I'd give it to 3999

Whoops, After reading what Dargoo said. I'm doubting my statement. Still, 3999 has basically everything monika has besides deletion. (Which he resists through type 8) and to a higher extent. I'd still give it to 3999 Although with higher difficulty than before

 

[Kople700]

Bump

 

[Agnaa]

@Kople700 Exhibiting a hax doesn't give you resistance to that hax. And Monika has resistance to plot manip. And 3999 doesn't often open with mind manip, while Monika always opens with mind/plot manip to incap.

How is 3999's plot manip supposed to work on someone who can exist outside of the plot?

 

[Kople700]

How does monika exist outside the plot? Also Monika always opens with something that 3999 can just regenerate from. While 3999 starts with plot manip stronger than monika's resistance? Cause I don't really see monika resetting universes Millions on millions of times, I think she did it what? 36 times? That's how many save files are in the game? Those count as other universes iirc. Meanwhile 3999 has created and destroyed millions more universes.

 

[Agnaa]

I'm not sure if we could say she usually exists outside of the plot, but I believe her resistance to plot manip comes from both defying events in the story, and continuing to talk once the script of the game is broken.

How can 3999 regenerate from plot manip/mind manip?

How is 3999's plot manip stronger than Monika's resistance?

What does resetting universes have to do with this? Also, Monika destroyed 36 timelines at once. Destroying the same timeline over and over again isn't as high a feat as destroying multiple timelines at once. I could crush an apple billions of times but that won't mean I have the AP to destroy a building.

 

[Jinsye]

Meanwhile 3999 has created and destroyed millions more universes.

He hasn't tho.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Edward is right, 3999 only gets its Tier from a claim that it was "The only thing left in the multiverse". It wasn't stated how large that multiverse was, and the question of whether or not it actually did this is in the air as Talloran phrased it as "I refuse to believe the only thing left in the entire multiverse is your stupidity"

 

[Kople700]

I'm not sure if we could say she usually exists outside of the plot, but I believe her resistance to plot manip comes from both defying events in the story, and continuing to talk once the script of the game is broken.
How can 3999 regenerate from plot manip/mind manip?

How is 3999's plot manip stronger than Monika's resistance?

What does resetting universes have to do with this? Also, Monika destroyed 36 timelines at once. Destroying the same timeline over and over again isn't as high a feat as destroying multiple timelines at once. I could crush an apple billions of times but that won't mean I have the AP to destroy a building.

My applogies. I'll vote for monnika fra then