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Anime profile for dragon ball.
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Ant, is not about the timeline, it's about that the Dragon Ball movies are literally branches of the anime. Same with stuff like the Naruto and One Piece movies or filler.Antvasima said:
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Garlic Jr is the primary antagonist of the first Dragon Ball Z movie Dead Zone, who became immortal thanks to Shenron and fought Piccolo and Goku, but ended up trapped within the Dead Zone's glass-like fragments. Years later in the Anime shortly after the Frieza saga the same Garlic Jr manages to free himself, gained new heinchmans (Since the previous ones were killed in the movie) and took over Kami Lookout. When Gohan and Piccolo sees him they remember the events of the first movie and Garlic Jr, who is immortal has grudge for Goku, Gohan and Piccolo for his previous defeat. Gohan dragon Icarus first appeared in the movie and reappeared in the Anime and is referenced in the Anime Majin Buu saga.
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Even Dead Zone is inconsistent. For one, Gohan met Piccolo before because of that. Goku and Piccolo also work together before that, and to a lesser extent Krillin. Yes, he had a filler Saga, but it doesn't automatically put everything into place. Also, Bardock became canon because of that special, so that's different. And regardless, re-using clips doesn't make them go into place. Same scene was recreated for Super. Are the movies canon to that? Heck, some of this logic could be applied to make Xenoverse canon to the anime.
Bottom line, just because one, two, or three things fit or influence anime scenes, doesn't excuse the monstrous inconsistencies that other movies bring in. Movies, iirc, are referred to as AUs by Toriyama. Yes, they are branches, but they don't influence the main tree like we've been applying. Bojack may be scaled from Cell, as an example, but Baby shouldn't be scaled from Bojack.
Bottom line, just because one, two, or three things fit or influence anime scenes, doesn't excuse the monstrous inconsistencies that other movies bring in. Movies, iirc, are referred to as AUs by Toriyama. Yes, they are branches, but they don't influence the main tree like we've been applying. Bojack may be scaled from Cell, as an example, but Baby shouldn't be scaled from Bojack.
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"For one, Gohan met Piccolo before because of that. Goku and Piccolo also work together before that, and to a lesser extent Krillin"
And even back in Classic DB, the manga was being ignored. Goku met Tien before the tournament, what's wrong with that?
"And regardless, re-using clips doesn't make them go into place."
If a scene from an special or movi is literally used in the anime, it implies it's canon to it. Xenoverse anology doesn't work since it's inverting that logic.
"monstrous inconsistencies"
Which ones? I"m honesty curious.The movies are akin to anime-filler. They happen even if they don't make sense.
"Movies, iirc, are referred to as AUs by Toriyama"
Sauce or it didn't happen. And this is also clearly contradicted by the movies that follow the continuity, like Garlic Jr., Cooler, the Broly Movies, etc.
And even back in Classic DB, the manga was being ignored. Goku met Tien before the tournament, what's wrong with that?
"And regardless, re-using clips doesn't make them go into place."
If a scene from an special or movi is literally used in the anime, it implies it's canon to it. Xenoverse anology doesn't work since it's inverting that logic.
"monstrous inconsistencies"
Which ones? I"m honesty curious.The movies are akin to anime-filler. They happen even if they don't make sense.
"Movies, iirc, are referred to as AUs by Toriyama"
Sauce or it didn't happen. And this is also clearly contradicted by the movies that follow the continuity, like Garlic Jr., Cooler, the Broly Movies, etc.
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You made a big mistake here, Baby is far far far stronger than Bojack and Anime Kid Buu, who destroyed a galaxy after some time. Even the Toei of the past was not that perfect as it made mistakes like the first Vegeta and Nappa colours and the consistence between the Anime and some Movies.The real cal howard said:
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Every movie between Dead Zone and Cooler. Goku has the Kaio Ken, yet Piccolo and/or others are alive. Basically, if they're alive, Goku should be dead, and if Goku's alive, they should be dead.
Lord Slug: Piccolo is fused with Nail, but Goku doesn't have Super Saiyan.
Cooler 2: This one is lesser. Piccolo is stronger than Super Saiyans, as he's already fused with Kami, but still is put on the back burner and doesn't fight Meta Cooler.
Wrath of the Dragon: Two words. Trunks' Sword.
Lord Slug: Piccolo is fused with Nail, but Goku doesn't have Super Saiyan.
Cooler 2: This one is lesser. Piccolo is stronger than Super Saiyans, as he's already fused with Kami, but still is put on the back burner and doesn't fight Meta Cooler.
Wrath of the Dragon: Two words. Trunks' Sword.
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"Piccolo is fused with Nail, but Goku doesn't have Super Saiyan."
When was Piccolo fused with Nail during Lord Slug?
"This one is lesser. Piccolo is stronger than Super Saiyans, as he's already fused with Kami, but still is put on the back burner and doesn't fight Meta Cooler."
That's just the movie shafting Piccolo. It's not evidence for inconsistency.
"Two words. Trunks' Sword."
And?
Not that it matters because none of those movies actually have meaningful feats.
When was Piccolo fused with Nail during Lord Slug?
"This one is lesser. Piccolo is stronger than Super Saiyans, as he's already fused with Kami, but still is put on the back burner and doesn't fight Meta Cooler."
That's just the movie shafting Piccolo. It's not evidence for inconsistency.
"Two words. Trunks' Sword."
And?
Not that it matters because none of those movies actually have meaningful feats.
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Movies between Dead Zone and Lord Slug:
All released during the Saiyan Arc, so they are what-ifs of that. The characters are in the level of power, character development and look that they have durin the Saiyan Arc.
Lord Slug: Released during the Freeza Arc. All characters have similar looks, levels of power, etc, and concepts such as Super Saiyan are brought up.
Cooler 2, Android 13: Same thing, but with Android Arc
The movies are all branches of the main Toeiland anime, with the exception of the ones that can fit nicely without being branches: Dead Zone, Cooler 1, Broly 1 and Broly 2 and Bojack, and Wrath of the Dragon
All released during the Saiyan Arc, so they are what-ifs of that. The characters are in the level of power, character development and look that they have durin the Saiyan Arc.
Lord Slug: Released during the Freeza Arc. All characters have similar looks, levels of power, etc, and concepts such as Super Saiyan are brought up.
Cooler 2, Android 13: Same thing, but with Android Arc
The movies are all branches of the main Toeiland anime, with the exception of the ones that can fit nicely without being branches: Dead Zone, Cooler 1, Broly 1 and Broly 2 and Bojack, and Wrath of the Dragon
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@Dark.
You're kidding, right? I obviously didn't mean it like that. You somehow took that as the equivalent of saying "Thor isn't stronger than Ultimate Spider Man" or some bs, as you think I'm saying that he's weaker than him. Bojack is a Cell Level entity. Baby is above a Buu level entity. Put two and two together. Movies can be scaled from the anime. Anime cannot be scaled from the movies. That's the point I'm making. Reason I used Bojack was because of his speed feat, which can't be applied outside of movies as he's outside of continuity.
"and the consistence between the Anime and the some Movies"
Yet this is the point I'm making. Because other than Cooler, Bojack, and Broly, (and Janemba) the movies have the worst "consistency" I've ever seen.
You're kidding, right? I obviously didn't mean it like that. You somehow took that as the equivalent of saying "Thor isn't stronger than Ultimate Spider Man" or some bs, as you think I'm saying that he's weaker than him. Bojack is a Cell Level entity. Baby is above a Buu level entity. Put two and two together. Movies can be scaled from the anime. Anime cannot be scaled from the movies. That's the point I'm making. Reason I used Bojack was because of his speed feat, which can't be applied outside of movies as he's outside of continuity.
"and the consistence between the Anime and the some Movies"
Yet this is the point I'm making. Because other than Cooler, Bojack, and Broly, (and Janemba) the movies have the worst "consistency" I've ever seen.
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I got ninja'd twice just now...
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mmmm... Let's see, what movies are we using for feats:
Cooler, Broly and Bojack... All of which fit 100%.
Cooler, Broly and Bojack... All of which fit 100%.
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@Matt
What's the Cooler feat?
What's the Cooler feat?
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Goku's "Large Star" feat when he killed Cooler.
@Matt. That's not the point. There are plenty of side stories that can fit into a canon, hundreds even. Doesn't make them any less than side stories. And you can't decide what gets put into a canon and what doesn't, when they're all from the said side stories reference each other occasionally. Also, some of the logic for the continuity could be applied to make Broly canon via Kale
@Matt. That's not the point. There are plenty of side stories that can fit into a canon, hundreds even. Doesn't make them any less than side stories. And you can't decide what gets put into a canon and what doesn't, when they're all from the said side stories reference each other occasionally. Also, some of the logic for the continuity could be applied to make Broly canon via Kale
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The supernova at the end from blasting Cooler into the sun.
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Hmm, wouldn't destroying the sun be like Star level or low end SS level?
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I'll quote myself from last time.
The real cal howard said:
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It could just be PIS that the sun still exists...
Actually, the LSSJ transformation has existed in canon, (if I remember the Geekdom thing correctly), just that they used it only in the movies.
Actually, the LSSJ transformation has existed in canon, (if I remember the Geekdom thing correctly), just that they used it only in the movies.
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@Dark Nah the transformation is canon, everything else at best is just a allusion.
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@Cal
inb4 Broly gets directly referenced with a flashback on top due to Kale.
I want it to happen, just for the good several days of bullshit that will follow, it'll be fun to watch it unfold.
inb4 Broly gets directly referenced with a flashback on top due to Kale.
I want it to happen, just for the good several days of bullshit that will follow, it'll be fun to watch it unfold.
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Goku blasted Cooler into the sun, provoking an explosion numerous times larger than the sun. It's High 4-C.
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@Matt. Again, and Supernova decimated the Solar System but was treated as illegitimate, until the Ultimania statement. This is no different.
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@Cal
It was treated as being illegitimate because it was believed to be an illusion. This is very different.
It was treated as being illegitimate because it was believed to be an illusion. This is very different.
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Goku's Kamehameha produced a gigantic solar flare which nearly reached Earth. Yes under realism it would have killed everyone, but so would a lot of shit in fiction that happens all the time. Saying it's illegitimate because of that is akin to saying Saitama's Serious Punch isn't legit because it should have killed millions of people around the world from the shockwaves.
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The problem isn't that it should have killed everyone. The point is that the sun, and Mercury and Venus were at the epicenter of the attack, but no worse for wear. That's like if I hit a mountain, created an explosion that easily engulfed a mountain, and the mountain was still there exactly the same.
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Popo remade the sun, didn't you see?
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