Andy (Undead Unluck) vs Maki Zen'in (JjK)

[Croissant_13]

Both 8-A.
Andy - 256 Tons. Maki - 593 Tons.
Speed equalised
Starting distance: 50m

 

[TokiNoOuja]

Didnt Maki Soul Katana directly counter Andy Undead's ?

 

[Arkenis]

Didnt Maki Soul Katana directly counter Andy Undead's ?

No. His regen/immo is from the rule not his soul. The soul stuff is in a different key and isn't applied to his first key as its a newly adapted interpretation for his undead that just allows him to regenerate even if his body is destroyed or if he wants to regen from a different spot as well as control his body.

Besides that, Andy's the more skilled swordsman here and can use repair boost to amp his speed and power here before Maki can land a proper hit really. Maki's senses are gonna be her only saving grace really but we see being on her level kinda removes this as an advantage when she fought Sukuna we see her senses don't really do much for her.

Something else is Andy's superior LS, he could just take the sword from her if he wanted to. Can also remove Remember from him to give him better skill and acrobatics to dodge her.

Maki - 593 Tons.

This isn't gonna be the case in the future, the calc used is invalid, its just never been removed from JJK page. But its not too important, its only a 2.3x diff.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

JJK's currently 8-A characters don't scale to it anyway

It's a supporting feat for UZUMAKI

 

[Arkenis]

Yeah she's more than likely gonna scale to these calcs for mcb

 

[GunshyFever]

Maki likely scales above this via her superiority to Yuji as a high tier, I'm still not caught up with JJK scaling but I believe she might get upgraded to Small Town level pretty soon

But once again JJK profiles are currently bad because of the AP changes (without anybody changing the character pages)

The main thing that's really helping Maki here is her soul split katana

 

[TokiNoOuja]

No. His regen/immo is from the rule not his soul. The soul stuff is in a different key and isn't applied to his first key as its a newly adapted interpretation for his undead that just allows him to regenerate even if his body is destroyed or if he wants to regen from a different spot as well as control his body.

Besides that, Andy's the more skilled swordsman here and can use repair boost to amp his speed and power here before Maki can land a proper hit really. Maki's senses are gonna be her only saving grace really but we see being on her level kinda removes this as an advantage when she fought Sukuna we see her senses don't really do much for her.

Something else is Andy's superior LS, he could just take the sword from her if he wanted to. Can also remove Remember from him to give him better skill and acrobatics to dodge her.

This isn't gonna be the case in the future, the calc used is invalid, its just never been removed from JJK page. But its not too important, its only a 2.3x diff.

Didnt Andy said the Rules of the Negators reside within their soul???thats why Soul manip are dangerous to Andy since thats where his Rules exist

 

[LordGinSama]

Andy because he's hot.


And yes I'd rather call him hot over Maki since she's like 16. If you disagree you should have a seat over there.

 

[Arkenis]

Didnt Andy said the Rules of the Negators reside within their soul???thats why Soul manip are dangerous to Andy since thats where his Rules exist

Why does this matter? Also it was Fuko who said it. The rules are type 2 concepts, Maki isn't interacting with that, only the soul and as I said in this key Andy's interpretation doesn't rely on the soul, at this point in the story he doesn't even believe souls give life.

 

[TokiNoOuja]

Why does this matter? Also it was Fuko who said it. The rules are type 2 concepts, Maki isn't interacting with that, only the soul and as I said in this key Andy's interpretation doesn't rely on the soul, at this point in the story he doesn't even believe souls give life.

So you mean that Souls are Abstract too because it contain Type Concepts?

 

[Arkenis]

So you mean that Souls are Abstract too because it contain Type Concepts?

Right now thats a possibility but no that isn’t at all what I mean.

 

[Arkenis]

bump

 

[Pizzagod342]

The version of Andy being used is before the ghost UMA was added

Meaning that this Andy doesn’t have a soul

Andy slams

 

[Arkenis]

The version of Andy being used is before the ghost UMA was added

Meaning that this Andy doesn’t have a soul

Andy slams

No souls have always existed, his soul being attacked just isn't something that kills him.

 

[Arkenis]

The addition of the Ghost UMA added souls

It didn't. Andy already knew about souls prior to it. The first seat is now revealed to be uma soul. Anno Un knew about souls and had the soul caliber, Victor mentions killing Fuko's soul in the book. What Uma Ghost added was a different existence after death, it changed the interpretation of death to allow for a second form of "living"

 

[Pizzagod342]

It didn't. Andy already knew about souls prior to it. The first seat is now revealed to be uma soul. Anno Un knew about souls and had the soul caliber, Victor mentions killing Fuko's soul in the book. What Uma Ghost added was a different existence after death, it changed the interpretation of death to allow for a second form of "living"

Bruh I deleted that already