Alucard vs Lucy

[Spicy_beet]

Who would win and Why?

 

[Beamgc]

alucard murder stomps. At the end of the ova he becomes omnipresent, he could just get inside her head and blast from the inside out. Even without omnipresent alucard it's a stomps.

 

[DemiserofD]

You didn't specify which versions we're talking about. If we're talking story-start, it would go to Alucard. If we're talking story-end, it becomes a lot more muddled, because we don't really have any feats for Heisenberg-Alucard.

But if we're talking full-powed Lucy vs Restraint Level Zero Alucard, the winner has to be Lucy. Alucard has the power to destroy buildings en-masse, but Lucy destroyed an island by burrowing through 2km of rock, and later on was able to reach space and had thousands of invisible invincible tentacles. Alucard's strength comes from his millions of souls, and the fact that everyone he kills joins his potential army, but in a 1v1 vs Lucy he'll only lose strength while she'll remain relatively constant. Eventually he'd run out of souls and then it would be just him, a medium-level super human(essentially) versus an extinction-level threat.

Of course, physically she's just a normal girl, so if he could get the jump on her he'd probably win.

So: 50 feet distance, bloodlusted, Alucard wins. Boom, headshot.

1000+ feet bloodlusted, Lucy wins. She makes distance and blows away his army and eventually alucard with no risk to herself.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

sba dictates that we use strongest version of alucard so he just teleports to lucy and oneshots

 

[DemiserofD]

Strongest version has no feats, so we can't say anything about him. So any vs would be meaningless.


In fact, we don't even know he's the strongest version at all.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

he has this: Nigh-Omnipresence/Teleportation . thats all he needs to win here

 

[DemiserofD]

I repeat; no feats. We never see him do anything, so we can't say anything about what he can do.

 

[Akreious]

Actually, strongest Alucard would have the same feats as Schroeder. Meaning even if you kill him a billion times, he could literally just "think" all injuries away. Lucy can't win in this scenario.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

sba dictates that we use strongest version of alucard so he just teleports to lucy and oneshots

Teleports and one-shots a Country level character?

You realize the "strongest versions" thing applies to Lucy too, right? Nothing he has is putting a dent in that durability.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Teleports and one-shots a Country level character?

You realize the "strongest versions" thing applies to Lucy too, right? Nothing he has is putting a dent in that durability.

then he just outlives

 

[DemiserofD]

Given her range is planetary in scale, he most likely can't get away, either. He'd either be trapped in a constant state of being killed, or in one of running away.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Given her range is planetary in scale, he most likely can't get away, either. He'd either be trapped in a constant state of being killed, or in one of running away.

he is still immortal, and he can teletrasportoutside of planet

 

[DemiserofD]

Not necessarily immortal; assuming he has kept the entirety of Schrodinger's powers, then it's entirely dependent on his own belief in his own existence. He thinks he lives, therefore he lives. That means it's possible to convince him, potentially through extensive and continuous physical dismemberment, that he DOESN'T exist, thereby removing himself from reality.

In any case, even if Lucy can't destroy him, he's got no means of harming her and the only thing he can do is run. That's not a complete victory, but it's still fairly definitively a victory.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

no, alucard likes pain. and unless she has mind haxs he aint beliving he dies, an he can just out last her

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

"alucard likes pain"

He didn't seem too thrilled when Plant!Anderson was kicking the living shit out of him.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

"alucard likes pain"
He didn't seem too thrilled when Plant!Anderson was kicking the living shit out of him.

he litiralz explained that he didnt like it cuz he wasent human anymore. he liked it before

 

[Beamgc]

1- If lucy unluck all of her power she would die and alucard not cuz of imortality


2- Alucard wouldnt hold back against her, cuz she isnt a human but probably a monster on his eyes


3- He does not have to show nothing to be valid, if the anime itself has said that he is omnipresent then it will be. Moreover shcrodinger proved to be able to appear in whatever he wanted.


This is a muder stomps.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

1- If lucy unluck all of her power she would die and alucard not cuz of imortality

2- Alucard wouldnt hold back against her, cuz she isnt a human but probably a monster on his eyes


3- He does not have to show nothing to be valid, if the anime itself has said that he is omnipresent then it will be. Moreover shcrodinger proved to be able to appear in whatever he wanted.


This is a muder stomps.

1 true

2 he did see anderson as human, whit his perfectly norrmal Regenerationn, and teletrasportation

3 this is right in logic, not in grammar.

He doesent have to show anything for it to be valid. if the anime estabilished him as omnipresent, then he is. Moreover shcrodinger proved to be able to appear in wherever he wanted.

 

[Beamgc]

1- If lucy unluck all of her power she would die and alucard not cuz of imortality

2- Alucard wouldnt hold back against her, cuz she isnt a human but probably a monster on his eyes


3- He does not have to show nothing to be valid, if the anime itself has said that he is omnipresent then it will be. Moreover shcrodinger proved to be able to appear in whatever he wanted.


This is a muder stomps.

1 true
2 he did see anderson as human, whit his perfectly norrmal Regenerationn, and teletrasportation

3 this is right in logic, not in grammar.

He doesent have to show anything for it to be valid. if the anime estabilished him as omnipresent, then he is. Moreover shcrodinger proved to be able to appear in wherever he wanted.

I think even if hallucard is not omnipresent in the literal sense of the word, the ability to teleport instantly to any place already gives him this fight. My native language is not English it explains why my grammar sucks.

Also, I forgot to mention that Lucy can not just unlock all her power out of nowhere, she needs an emotional trigger, like a very big rage (something like kouta being hurt), something that would hardly happen in this battle.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

there is only so much beating she can take, id belive shed get frustrated enough in a few days

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

there is only so much beating she can take

He can't damage her, so that doesn't matter.

The difference between their AP/durability is like the difference between a field mouse and a skyscraper.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

he doesent need to hurt her to frustrate her to hell and back, and he simply outlasts

 

[Beamgc]

there is only so much beating she can take

He can't damage her, so that doesn't matter.
The difference between their AP/durability is like the difference between a field mouse and a skyscraper.

why he cant damage her?

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Because her durability is Country level? And his physical AP is City Block level at most?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

my point still stands, shes gonna starve

 

[Beamgc]

Because her durability is Country level? And his physical AP is City Block level at most?

Where did you get lucy from country level? You should not believe everything Vs Battle says about the characters, some things are ridiculously wrong. Lucy is just a normal human, the only difference is that she has horns and her invisible arms that serves as a shield for her. Without these invisble Arms, she is just human level durability and could be killed by a simple shot from a low-caliber weapon.

During the confrontation between Nana and Bandou, Nana was unable to block bandou shots because he was using a high-caliber weapon, and Alucard's guns are so powerful that no human would be able to handle them due to the powerful recoil. So I very much doubt that Lucy is able to block Alucard's shots so easily. If Alucard is fast enough, her arms would not be able to react to him and she will become completely vulnerable.

Like I said, Alucard Stomps

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

"You should not believe everything Vs Battle says about the characters, some things are ridiculously wrong."

Great, one of these guys...

If you think her stats are wrong, then take it up with the Content Revision board. Until then, her profile is what we go by, and it says she has Country level durability.

 

[Beamgc]

They say she is contry level but they do not even say why.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Durability scales to physical AP unless there are higher showings to use for that. (We go by Newton's Third Law around here)

 

[Beamgc]

Her real durability is:


Superhuman level without Vectors

And building level block with verctors.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

If you believe that, then make a Content Revision thread about it. Telling me (a non-admin) is going to get you nowhere.

Preferrably post proof of your claims in the thread once you make it. If you can.

 

[Beamgc]

We should not always scale durability to AP. For example, just because you can destroy a planet does not mean that you would be able to survive that same attack. It's like the rpg logic, where there is that class that causes a lot of damage but is extremely fragile (glass canon).

Im just talking it to you for fun, not intended to change anything.

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[MrKingOfNegativity]

Actually, if you can physically destroy something without hurting yourself in the process, that means you can take something of equal force. That's how Newton's Third Law works; for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Absorbing the shock of your own punches/kicks, lifting things without breaking your arms, catching heavy objects without being crushed by them, etc. are all examples of this, and feats/physical showings found in fiction should be no exception.

A person with Building level strikes and Human level durability would kill themselves the moment they tried to punch anything solid, since the force of their strike would come back to them on-impact.

 

[Beamgc]

Actually, if you can physically destroy something without hurting yourself in the process, that means you can take something of equal force. That's how Newton's Third Law works; for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Absorbing the shock of your own punches/kicks, lifting things without breaking your arms, catching heavy objects without being crushed by them, etc. are all examples of this, and feats/physical showings found in fiction should be no exception.

Yes, I knew this, but the problem is that as far as I understand about Elfen Lied, Lucy AP is not pyshical AP. Her AP comes from her vectors, which are not physical but psychic abilities. She does not use any physical force to block a bullet or destroy a building, so this law does not apply to her.

 

[DemiserofD]

The problem with ignoring feats and just taking the text at literal face value is it doesn't provide any context. 'Omnipresence' can mean anything from 'everywhere in this room' to 'everywhere in every universe in existence'.

Given that Alucard didn't instantly go insane from encountering Elder Gods in a lovecraft universe, we can already assume it's not 'true' omnipresence.

The point is we have virtually no context for what sort of power level it provides, or what sacrifices he needed to make to acquire it. He had to kill all his other souls; does that mean he's much weaker on a physical level than before? We never saw schrodinger do anything offensive, so how can we know Alucard can, now that he has Schroedinger's powers?

We don't know, because we never see. We know, for all vs wiki intents and purposes, absolutely nothing about the fight, so it's impossible to say what would work and what wouldn't. The entire argument becomes pointless.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

The problem with ignoring feats and just taking the text at literal face value is it doesn't provide any context. 'Omnipresence' can mean anything from 'everywhere in this room' to 'everywhere in every universe in existence'.
Given that Alucard didn't instantly go insane from encountering Elder Gods in a lovecraft universe, we can already assume it's not 'true' omnipresence.

The point is we have virtually no context for what sort of power level it provides, or what sacrifices he needed to make to acquire it. He had to kill all his other souls; does that mean he's much weaker on a physical level than before? We never saw schrodinger do anything offensive, so how can we know Alucard can, now that he has Schroedinger's powers?

We don't know, because we never see. We know, for all vs wiki intents and purposes, absolutely nothing about the fight, so it's impossible to say what would work and what wouldn't. The entire argument becomes pointless.

he is still immortal with resurrection

 

[Heilergott]

From what I know and can find out, Alucard should take this. Lucy just does not have the power to put him down quick enough before she melts herself in her strongest form and even in Release Level 0 he still has insane regenerative powers. Considering a miraclepowered fire-bayonette to the brain did not kill him, I'd venture the guess cutting his head of with vectors ain't gonna do the trick.

And I would really like t point out that even holy weapons practially made to kill things like him really do not seem to be able to do any lasting damage at all. Nevermind that Alucard ia a lot smarter than Lucy on his worst day and, if he does not want her to, she will not even be able to find him when he turns intagible, from what I know. So, really I'd vote for Alucard.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

this is schordinger alucard. he has resurrection even if he were to die

 

[Heilergott]

If this is Schrödinger Alucard, than this entire fight is bullshit. You cannot kill an abstract entity with mere physical force. THe only way for Schrödinger to die was Suicide and that just is not going to happen with Lucy. She is a monster, just like Alucard, ergo he is going to curbstomp her into the ground with no mercy.

 

[DemiserofD]

Schrödinger showed no combat capability, and neither did alucard with Schrödinger's powers. As far as we know, he's been reduced to normal human levels but with immortality. There's no way for him to win, he can't beat her durability.

As for level 0 alucard, his Regenerationn in that state isn't unlimited; he uses eaten souls in lieu of himself. The only reason nobody could kill him was because they needed to kill him effectively millions of times.

Endgame Lucy has the capability to wipe out the entire human race in a matter of hours; that's billions of people. That means it would take her, at most, a few minutes to kill all of Level 0 Alucard's souls and kill him for real.