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Everything Cursed Energy is disembodied to non-sorcerers, Shikigami includedWhere is this said?
The Cursed Energy Manipulation page doesn't make any mention of Shikigami in any regard for some reason, but since they're formed by Cursed Energy, they can't be perceived and interacted with by non-sorcerersWhere is this said? What page has this?
Where is it said they are formed by curse energy? Can you show thisThe Cursed Energy Manipulation page doesn't make any mention of Shikigami in any regard for some reason, but since they're formed by Cursed Energy, they can't be perceived and interacted with by non-sorcerers
The series doesn't elaborate on it through words, but we see the Shikigami user that Geto fought conjure them out of the Cursed Energy of a TalismanWhere is it said they are formed by curse energy? Can you show this
Wait I’m confused, based off the qualification for NPI alucard should have it no?Their incorporeality is based on CM Type 2 and Type 2 Information. Therefore, that is the minimum requirement of NPI to be able to interact with them
He has to qualify for interacting with incorporeality of type 2 concepts & information at leastWait I’m confused, based off the qualification for NPI alucard should have it no?
Oh okHe has to qualify for interacting with incorporeality of type 2 concepts & information at least
What else would they created from? Talismans are already imbued with Cursed Energy, and the way Megumi does it still fundamentally uses Cursed Energy, just with shadows as a medium. It seems like less mental hurdles to assume they're not comprised of Cursed EnergyThat doesn't mean it's created from curse energy, talismans can just summon them the same way Megumi can summon them from shadows.
Given there's Shikigami intrinsically connected to their user's technique (Garuda and Star Rage, Judgeman and Deadly Sentencing), I'm more inclined to believe they are, in fact, made of Cursed EnergyFlesh. Shikigami are just spirits.
Wrong.And where are you getting type 2 concept? That is something only reserved for Gojo's limitless not curse energy in general.
Wrong about what? It says Abstract - Type 2 - Thoughts/Concepts and Void -Wrong.
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I'm going to assume you're being obtuse on purposeConcepts
Why would they be made out of ordinary flesh? Aren't Shikigami's still invisible to the human eye the same way as any Cursed Technique or Curse? No non-sorcerer was able to see Junpei's Shikigami that poisons people.Flesh. Shikigami are just spirits. And where are you getting type 2 concept? That is something only reserved for Gojo's limitless not curse energy in general.
Being invisible doesn’t change them being physical. But they can just be spirits since thats what shikigami are generally. If there’s nothing proving that they are made from ce then this should just be dropped.Why would they be made out of ordinary flesh? Aren't Shikigami's still invisible to the human eye the same way as any Cursed Technique or Curse? No non-sorcerer was able to see Junpei's Shikigami that poisons people.
Physical spirits? You've lost me at this point. Why would we assume the creatures manifested via Cursed Energy that behave similarly to Curses (Are invisible to anyone that can't do Jujutsu [or is a Window]) are made of flesh like a normal human? Yet are somehow a spirit at the same time?Being invisible doesn’t change them being physical. But they can just be spirits since thats what shikigami are generally. If there’s nothing proving that they are made from ce then this should just be dropped.
I said they can just be spirits, not physical and spirit. I was giving two different alternatives is all. When are they shown to be manifested via ce? They can be summoned through a talisman or from a ct like Megumi but I don't get where they're made of ce.Physical spirits? You've lost me at this point. Why would we assume the creatures manifested via Cursed Energy that behave similarly to Curses (Are invisible to anyone that can't do Jujutsu [or is a Window]) are made of flesh like a normal human? Yet are somehow a spirit at the same time?
The shadow and talisman are mediums for summoning them. Cursed Energy is still used in the process of creating them, that's just how CT's work:I said they can just be spirits, not physical and spirit. I was giving two different alternatives is all. When are they shown to be manifested via ce? They can be summoned through a talisman or from a ct like Megumi but I don't get where they're made of ce.
Where is it stated cursed energy creates them? Ya keep saying this but aren't showing this, this just seems like an assumption. And ce power ct, are those talismans now a ct?The shadow and talisman are mediums for summoning them. Cursed Energy is still used in the process of creating them, that's just how CT's work:
Ten Shadows is a Cursed Technique, yes. One that involves summoning Shikigami. We're told Cursed Energy is a requirement for using Cursed Techniques. Cursed Techniques are MADE UP of Cursed Energy. Why would this be ANY different for a Shikigami Cursed Technique? That's an assertion you made on your part without elaborating on why they wouldn't be besides "They were never verbatim SAID to be made of cursed energy" when I showed you in my post above with a gif that showcases Shikigami's being generated through Cursed Energy. It's explicitly SHOWN. That's a STEP UP from being told.Where is it stated cursed energy creates them? Ya keep saying this but aren't showing this, this just seems like an assumption. And ce power ct, are those talismans now a ct?
Yes, Shikigami are a Cursed Technique. Just like Barriers and Reversed Cursed Technique are Cursed Technique.Where is it stated cursed energy creates them? Ya keep saying this but aren't showing this, this just seems like an assumption. And ce power ct, are those talismans now a ct?
Because the shikigami are within the shadows, they are not the ct themselves. What you showed me was a guy using ce to activate a talisman to summon shikigami from it. That isn't them being made from ce, if you have a statement for them being made from ce then show that.Ten Shadows is a Cursed Technique, yes. One that involves summoning Shikigami. We're told Cursed Energy is a requirement for using Cursed Techniques. Cursed Techniques are MADE UP of Cursed Energy. Why would this be ANY different for a Shikigami Cursed Technique? That's an assertion you made on your part without elaborating on why they wouldn't be besides "They were never verbatim SAID to be made of cursed energy" when I showed you in my post above with a gif that showcases Shikigami's being generated through Cursed Energy. It's explicitly SHOWN. That's a STEP UP from being told.
So you're seriously under the impression that Shikigami aren't a Cursed Technique? If so, there's not much I can do to help your incredulity. No, I showed you a picture of a talisman LEAKING CURSED ENERGY DROPLETS that TURNED INTO SHIKIGAMI.Because the shikigami are within the shadows, they are not the ct themselves. What you showed me was a guy using ce to activate a talisman to summon shikigami from it. That isn't them being made from ce, if you have a statement for them being made from ce then show that.
Because Shikigami being invisible foes that can't be interacted with is an advantage? I feel like that's just common sense. Killing Sukuna would be a fair bit harder if he had two invisible invulnerable allies defending him and engaging the enemy at the same time he piles on in the back.And I honestly don't get why you're still arguing this point with me lmao, its not very important to this match, if Hellsing can't touch them so what? He just needs to kill Sukuna here.
Were they stated to be a cursed technique? Just send that if its true.So you're seriously under the impression that Shikigami aren't a Cursed Technique? If so, there's not much I can do to help your incredulity. No, I showed you a picture of a talisman LEAKING CURSED ENERGY DROPLETS that TURNED INTO SHIKIGAMI.
Not when Alucard can just go intangible.Because Shikigami being invisible foes that can't be interacted with is an advantage? I feel like that's just common sense. Killing Sukuna would be a fair bit harder if he had two invisible invulnerable allies defending him and engaging the enemy at the same time he piles on in the back.
Are you just being obtuse on purpose? Shikigami are a general ability of Cursed Energy users, AKA a Cursed TechniqueWere they stated to be a cursed technique? Just send that if its true.
SureWere they stated to be a cursed technique? Just send that if its true.
To what extent? Sukuna can interact with things that are fundamentally intangible to normal humans such as Curses.Not when Alucard can just go intangible.
Again I don't get why this is so important to you for this match, if you think the shikigami are themselves a ct then cool, it doesn't change much for this match. Please move on from this point.Gojo states the Ten Shadows is a Technique. Sukuna states Megumi's technique utilizes Shadow's as opposed to Talismans (In reference to the Shikigami he summons), and finally, Megumi states that the Ten Shadows Technique ONLY BEGINS WHEN THEY RECEIVE TWO DIVINE DOGS. This affirms to us that Divine Dogs are their Cursed Technique, thus why it begins once they obtain it.
Read the page.To what extent? Sukuna can interact with things that are fundamentally intangible to normal humans such as Curses.
Dude... what...? You ASKED me for evidence, and so I sent it. Then you just dismiss it and tell me to move on as if I'm dragging something out for no reason. Don't ask me for scans, and then act all annoyed when I do what you request. I didn't care for this match-up, I commented here because of your belief that Shikigami weren't made of Cursed Energy. But clearly you're not interested, so I'm done here.Again I don't get why this is so important to you for this match, if you think the shikigami are themselves a ct then cool, it doesn't change much for this match. Please move on from this point.
Yeah you are dragging this out, I already offered responses to why it doesn't matter. You don't need to send some proof of something that wasn't important, me asking could've been ignored since you don't even care for the match. If anything you should've went and made a crt for this to get it on the page since its not even there lmao.Dude... what...? You ASKED me for evidence, and so I sent it. Then you just dismiss it and tell me to move on as if I'm dragging something out for no reason. Don't ask me for scans, and then act all annoyed when I do what you request. I didn't care for this match-up, I commented here because of your belief that Shikigami weren't made of Cursed Energy. But clearly you're not interested, so I'm done here.
And I honestly don't get why you're still arguing this point with me lmao, its not very important to this match, if Hellsing can't touch them so what? He just needs to kill Sukuna here.
Not when Alucard can just go intangible.
It's not a matter of the match. It's a matter of your ignorance in regards to Shikigami being beings of Cursed Energy. If you don't want someone to drag an irrelevant point on, don't ask for them to send proof again. It makes no senseYeah you are dragging this out, I already offered responses to why it doesn't matter. You don't need to send some proof of something that wasn't important, me asking could've been ignored since you don't even care for the match.
Were they stated to be a cursed technique? Just send that if its true.
"If that's true, send evidence please."
Sends evidence
If you ask for irrelevant evidence, you're going to get it."What the heck dude? Don't derail my thread, this is an irrelevant point."
No one is going to make a CRT for Cursed Techniques being made out of Cursed Energy. That's already on the page and super obvious. Not our fault you fail to take notice of it or comprehend the evidence given to you.If anything you should've went and made a crt for this to get it on the page since its not even there lmao.
He never used it inbattle. He only used it once to go through a wall, and it's selectiveNot when Alucard can just go intangible.