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Sukuna vs Alucard
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Everything Cursed Energy is disembodied to non-sorcerers, Shikigami included
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The Cursed Energy Manipulation page doesn't make any mention of Shikigami in any regard for some reason, but since they're formed by Cursed Energy, they can't be perceived and interacted with by non-sorcerers
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The series doesn't elaborate on it through words, but we see the Shikigami user that Geto fought conjure them out of the Cursed Energy of a Talisman
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Wait I’m confused, based off the qualification for NPI alucard should have it no?
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He has to qualify for interacting with incorporeality of type 2 concepts & information at least
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Oh ok
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What else would they created from? Talismans are already imbued with Cursed Energy, and the way Megumi does it still fundamentally uses Cursed Energy, just with shadows as a medium. It seems like less mental hurdles to assume they're not comprised of Cursed Energy
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Given there's Shikigami intrinsically connected to their user's technique (Garuda and Star Rage, Judgeman and Deadly Sentencing), I'm more inclined to believe they are, in fact, made of Cursed Energy
Wrong.
Cursed Energy Manipulation
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Arkenis
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Wrong about what? It says Abstract - Type 2 - Thoughts/Concepts and Void -Wrong.
Cursed Energy Manipulation
Type 2 is for information not for concepts.
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I'm going to assume you're being obtuse on purpose
Besides, while the lack of a link to the conceptual manipulation page is questionable, CM Type 2 was very much accepted
Arkenis
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Yes concepts, not type 2 concepts lmao. Why do you think their resistance for concept is only type 3?
- Conceptual Manipulation & Information Manipulation (Type 3 & Type 2 - Sorcerers are engaging in combat against Curse Spirits which utilize cursed energy all the time and they themselves have cursed energy flowing through them)
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Thought you were disregarding concepts entirely
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Why would they be made out of ordinary flesh? Aren't Shikigami's still invisible to the human eye the same way as any Cursed Technique or Curse? No non-sorcerer was able to see Junpei's Shikigami that poisons people.
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Physical spirits? You've lost me at this point. Why would we assume the creatures manifested via Cursed Energy that behave similarly to Curses (Are invisible to anyone that can't do Jujutsu [or is a Window]) are made of flesh like a normal human? Yet are somehow a spirit at the same time?
Arkenis
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I said they can just be spirits, not physical and spirit. I was giving two different alternatives is all. When are they shown to be manifested via ce? They can be summoned through a talisman or from a ct like Megumi but I don't get where they're made of ce.
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How willing is Alucard to use TK or Tulican Cards before things get really rough?
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The shadow and talisman are mediums for summoning them. Cursed Energy is still used in the process of creating them, that's just how CT's work:
From what we're shown, it seems Cursed Energy is directed into the medium, and said Cursed Energy is used to "construct" (Summon/Manifest) them.
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Ten Shadows is a Cursed Technique, yes. One that involves summoning Shikigami. We're told Cursed Energy is a requirement for using Cursed Techniques. Cursed Techniques are MADE UP of Cursed Energy. Why would this be ANY different for a Shikigami Cursed Technique? That's an assertion you made on your part without elaborating on why they wouldn't be besides "They were never verbatim SAID to be made of cursed energy" when I showed you in my post above with a gif that showcases Shikigami's being generated through Cursed Energy. It's explicitly SHOWN. That's a STEP UP from being told.
If you can give evidence that raises reasonable suspicion for them not being made of Cursed Energy, that's fine. But as of now, I don't see a reason why a Cursed Technique wouldn't be made of Cursed Energy when we're shown and told they are.
Zabazab
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Yes, Shikigami are a Cursed Technique. Just like Barriers and Reversed Cursed Technique are Cursed Technique.
Arkenis
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Because the shikigami are within the shadows, they are not the ct themselves. What you showed me was a guy using ce to activate a talisman to summon shikigami from it. That isn't them being made from ce, if you have a statement for them being made from ce then show that.
And I honestly don't get why you're still arguing this point with me lmao, its not very important to this match, if Hellsing can't touch them so what? He just needs to kill Sukuna here.
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So you're seriously under the impression that Shikigami aren't a Cursed Technique? If so, there's not much I can do to help your incredulity. No, I showed you a picture of a talisman LEAKING CURSED ENERGY DROPLETS that TURNED INTO SHIKIGAMI.
Shikigami's are cursed techniques, Shikigami are shown being made from Cursed Energy dripping from a Talisman, Shikigami possesses the unique traits of Cursed Energy such as being invisible to the eye, and yet you're arguing that since there's not verbatim statement they're not made out of Cursed Energy. Talk about being SUPER picky. Show me why Shikigami aren't made of Cursed Energy, or frankly I see no reason to further address this contention. Most people here seem to be under the same impression they consist of Cursed Energy. Not everything NEEDS to be verbatim stated. Sometimes something can just be deduced via other evidence we're shown.
Because Shikigami being invisible foes that can't be interacted with is an advantage? I feel like that's just common sense. Killing Sukuna would be a fair bit harder if he had two invisible invulnerable allies defending him and engaging the enemy at the same time he piles on in the back.
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even if alucard cant interact with the incorporeality can't he just just go intangible forever
they would be doing nothing to each other for the rest of the fight
they would be doing nothing to each other for the rest of the fight
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Are you just being obtuse on purpose? Shikigami are a general ability of Cursed Energy users, AKA a Cursed Technique
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Sure
Gojo states the Ten Shadows is a Technique. Sukuna states Megumi's technique utilizes Shadow's as opposed to Talismans (In reference to the Shikigami he summons), and finally, Megumi states that the Ten Shadows Technique ONLY BEGINS WHEN THEY RECEIVE TWO DIVINE DOGS. This affirms to us that Divine Dogs are their Cursed Technique, thus why it begins once they obtain it.
To what extent? Sukuna can interact with things that are fundamentally intangible to normal humans such as Curses.
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Dude... what...? You ASKED me for evidence, and so I sent it. Then you just dismiss it and tell me to move on as if I'm dragging something out for no reason. Don't ask me for scans, and then act all annoyed when I do what you request. I didn't care for this match-up, I commented here because of your belief that Shikigami weren't made of Cursed Energy. But clearly you're not interested, so I'm done here.
Arkenis
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Yeah you are dragging this out, I already offered responses to why it doesn't matter. You don't need to send some proof of something that wasn't important, me asking could've been ignored since you don't even care for the match. If anything you should've went and made a crt for this to get it on the page since its not even there lmao.
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It's not a matter of the match. It's a matter of your ignorance in regards to Shikigami being beings of Cursed Energy. If you don't want someone to drag an irrelevant point on, don't ask for them to send proof again. It makes no sense
If you ask for irrelevant evidence, you're going to get it.
No one is going to make a CRT for Cursed Techniques being made out of Cursed Energy. That's already on the page and super obvious. Not our fault you fail to take notice of it or comprehend the evidence given to you.
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"Shikigami conjuration is considered to be a type of cursed technique. Like barrier techniques, sorcerers who do not possess enough intrinsic talent for their own innate technique can summon simple shikigami. Shikigami themselves are familiars incarnated by their summoner's cursed energy."
even the wiki says it....
"Shikigami conjuration is considered to be a type of cursed technique. Like barrier techniques, sorcerers who do not possess enough intrinsic talent for their own innate technique can summon simple shikigami. Shikigami themselves are familiars incarnated by their summoner's cursed energy."
even the wiki says it....
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He never used it inbattle. He only used it once to go through a wall, and it's selective
