Altair's durability

[Lancer45Man]

Yes.

Thing is only two creations have been shown to even make a successful attack on Altair. One being Sirius and another one was Aliceteria with a massive powerup back in Ep 19. Altair was consistently getting audience approval which was boosting her powers to the point even the creations who had months of prep + revisions + powerups + added powers still were no match for her during the Elimination Chamber Festival. For reference, in Episode 1 Selesia could physically match Altair 1v1 without getting stomped but during the Elimination Chamber Festival she was getting rekt no matter what even tho she had her Mecha + revised power boosts + new powers. The reason for that as stated by both Altair and Meteora is that due to the Audience approval in the Birdcage/Elimination Chamber Festival, Altair's overall powers and stats were increasing constantly.

 

[Kaltias]

In this case it's probably fair to assume that she has Low 2-C physical stats

 

[Dzhindzholia]

@Lancer45Man

You make no sense,really.

Your whole argument is that she was powered by audience thus becoming low 2-C.And she became,but you missed the point of altair's powers.,literally all of her powers are based on Reality Warping and other hax staff.

Creations can harm Altair -> Altair gets a boost -> Creations can't harm Altair anymore because she is too durable?

This never happened.They were always be able to harm her,she just always dodged or negged their powers via her abilities.

And even after she fused with Sirius she was vulnurable to attacks and was negging them or dodging.And after that there was no fight.She is glass cannon that relies on her abilities.

 

[Lancer45Man]

"Your whole argument is that she was powered by audience thus becoming low 2-C.And she became,but you missed the point of altair's powers.,literally all of her powers are based on Reality Warping and other hax staff"

I Suggest you Rewatch the series because that's what happened. Her main goal at the beginning of the series was to DESTROY THE REAL WORLD which would cause a chain reaction and destroy the story worlds too. She lacked power to pull off that feat and required the help of the creations to do that. Even in Episode 5, 10 and 13 it was stated that she wasn't powerful enough to do that. Later in EP 21 she gets a massive boost from the Audience which boosted her to Low 2-C tier.

"This never happened.They were always be able to harm her,she just always dodged or negged their powers via her abilities"

No they weren't. They couldn't even get past her Defense let alone hurt her. Only two people to do that were Sirius and Aliceteria. The other creations couldn't even land an attack on her and the attacks that landed were blocked by her defense.

"And even after she fused with Sirius she was vulnurable to attacks and was negging them or dodging.And after that there was no fight.She is glass cannon that relies on her abilities"

The Headcanon is strong in this one. So now we are concluding that if a character can dodge an attack, that automatically makes him or her vulnerable to the attack??? LMAO she only dodged Sho's attack and even then she beat Sho. So you chose to omit the scenes where she physically fights Selesia in Episode 1 or when tanks and missiles were attacking her in Episode 16 and she was unfazed by them or when she caught Vogelchevalier's Sword with two fingers in Episode 17 and tossed it casually or when she was fighting with Alice Physically in Episode 18????

Honestly I have no idea where you're getting the "Glass Canon that relies on her Abilities" and "literally all of her powers are based on Reality Warping and other hax stuff" when she has shown Physical Combat related stuffs throughout the series.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

How anything you said explains her low 2-C durability if she never ever fought anyone on that level?You write so much in one post but with so little detail and value,that has nothing to do with the subject.

Her powers are hax related mostly.She never fought low 2-C opponents,her only feat in that form is only creating a universe.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

I am not going to argue with you back and forth it is my last reply to you:

Her power is hax related mostly,she had 0 fights in her low 2-C form and the only feat is creating a universe,a creation feat.

 

[Lancer45Man]

My dude it's not my fault that comprehension isn't your forte. Her Powers being related to plot manipulation has nothing to do with her Physical Statistics. She shown Physical Combat related Stuffs which puts her at Tier 7 for most part of the series. You're Circlejerking on the fact that since she hasn't shown to fight another Low 2-C and hence her Stats aren't low 2-C. But you're completely ignoring the fact that she was getting her Powers and Statistics Boosted by Audience Approval/Audience Support during the Elimination Chamber Festival which made her way stronger than what she was in Episode 1 where she could fight with Selesia on Equal Grounds. For reference, in Episode 1 Selesia could physically match Altair 1v1 without getting stomped but during the Elimination Chamber Festival she was getting rekt no matter what even tho she had her Mecha + revised power boosts + new powers. She receives a massive Audience Boost in Ep 21 which elevates her to Low 2-C level. It is completely logical to assume that her Physical Statistics are boosted on that level too.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

But you're completely ignoring the fact that she was getting her Powers and Statistics Boosted by Audience Approval/Audience Support during the Elimination Chamber Festival which made her way stronger than what she was in Episode 1

You said it again,like it is literally your only argument.Not gonna argue with you anymore.

 

[Lancer45Man]

But you're completely ignoring the fact that she was getting her Powers and Statistics Boosted by Audience Approval/Audience Support during the Elimination Chamber Festival which made her way stronger than what she was in Episode 1

You said it again,like it is literally your only argument.Not gonna argue with you anymore.

Disprove/Debunk My Arguments please then since you seem to know a lot about the verse apparently and think that a character can only be Low 2-C in stats if he/she fights another low 2-C. But here let me post any proof with timestamps:-

In Episode 1 from 15:55 to 17:35 Altair and Selesia could fight 1v1 and match each other's strength without either of them getting stomped. Meteora interferes and Altair retreats as she feels the pressure of the 2v1 disadvantage she has.

In Episode 6 from 18:16 to 18:50 we clearly see Selesia surviving an attack from Aliceteria which was calcd to be Small Town+ Level and shows that it's her dura. Altair directly scales to this as she fought with her in Episode 1

In Episode 5 from 16:27 to 16:40 Meteora explains that Altair currently isn't powerful enough to affect the real world and if she tries, she will get thrown out.

In Episode 10 from 20:15 to 20:50 Altair states she isn't powerful enough to affect the Universe/Real World. In the very same Episode from 18:00 to 20:00 we can see that due to the Audience's emotion and sympathy with the story, Selesia was amped up to the point where she could overpower Aliceteria.

In Episode 12 from 8:10 and onwards they confirm that it was THE EMOTION OF THE AUDIENCE THAT AMPED SELESIA AND THEY WERE GOING TO USE IT TO THEIR ADVANTAGE BY CREATING A BIRDCAGE AND STOP/DESTROY ALTAIR.

In Episode 14 from 3:10 to 8:30 Kikuchihara explains that they will be using the emotions of the Audience to power up the Creations against Altair within the Birdcage

In Episode 15 from 11:55 to 13:10 Meteora creates her station which would allow her to send the Audience Acceptance and boost the Characters within the Birdcage

In Episode 16, from 12:20 to onwards Meteora states that they all got Power Boosts from the Revisions and that they will capture Altair within the Birdcage and destroy her by using the Audience Acceptance to boost all the Creations

In Episode 17 from 3:40 onwards both Selesia and Rui attack Altair but to no avail as their attacks and explosions were blocked by her swords. Even Tanks and Missiles are Blocked by her Swords and she is unaffected by the Explosions. From 15:15 to 16:10 ALTAIR CONFIRMS THAT SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE POWER REQUIRED TO DESTROY OR ESCAPE THE BIRDCAGE AND WANTS MORE ACCEPTANCE FROM THE AUDIENCE WHICH WOULD BOOST HER POWERS.

In Episode 18 from 15:50 to 16:20, Meteora uses the Audience Acceptance and Boosts Aliceteria's Gauntlet so that she can use more power. Just after that from 16:24 to 16:50 ALTAIR CATCHES THE SWORD ATTACK FROM SELESIA'S MECHA. Mind you that this was a revised powered up version of Selesia in her Mecha who should be Logically above Altair as her weakened Base form in Episode 1 had a tie with her. This confirms that Altair too was getting boosted by the Audience's Emotions and Approval which increased her Stats and Powers to the point she could accomplish such a feat.

In Episode 19 from 3:30 to 3:52 Aliceteria attacks Altair but couldn't get past her shield. From 6:43 to 7:12 ALTAIR WAS SHOWN TO PHYSICALLY FIGHT ALICETERIA AND COULD BLOCK HER ATTACKS AND EVEN OVERPOWER HER. From 10:40 to 11:10 Aliceteria uses her Gauntlet's full power to get a massive amp that allowed her to break through Altair's shield and Impale her. Altair was unaffected as it was later revealed that she changed cause and effect so the damage was taken by Aliceteria. From 15:10 to 16:15 everyone attacks Altair but she simply dodges their attacks and even blocks them.

In Episode 20 from 3:50 to 4:42 it was revealed that ALTAIR HIJACKED THE PLOT OF THE BIRDCAGE WHICH ALLOWED HER TO GAIN MORE AUDIENCE ACCEPTANCE THAT BOOSTED HER POWERS. From 5:10 to 7:10 Meteora states that Sirius was brought into the Play using the Acceptance of the Audience and it was the Audience's Acceptance that sustained her Existence. I should also mention that from 6:30 to 6:40 Altair was shown to tank a direct hit from Sirius, a more powerful ripoff version of Altair. From 9:14 to 9:24 Altair and Sirius Fight with Sirius having the upper hand easily. From 14:00 to 15:15 Altair states that it was the Audience's Emotion, Feelings, and Beliefs that shaped her and her powers including her existence and and the way she is at now is all because of their emotions. From 16:20 to 18:05 Altair states that she now has the power to Destroy the Birdcage which was a result of the Audience's emotion and Hikayu even confirms this.

in Episode 21 from 10:40 to 12:20 it was pointed out that Altair's powers are due to the fact that she has no established Canonicity and as such, her powers and abilities are whatever people believe in. From 15:50 to 16:50 it was stated by Altair that due to the Audience's Acceptance and Emotions, Altair's powers were elevated to the point where she can create/destroy/recreate Universes for Setsuna.

So TL;DR :

> Showed how Altair in Ep 1 was more or less on the Same Level physically as Selesia.

> Showed how she lacked powers at that Time to even affect the Universe/Real World

> Showed how Audience acceptance and emotions can powerup Characters beyond their previous stats and powers

> Showed how Altair was able to Casually Stomp everyone in the Elimination Chamber Festival where everyone had powerups and increased stats due to prep time and revision which proves that this version of Altair was way more powerful than Episode 1 Altair

> Showed how Episode 17 Altair stated that she can't escape or destroy the Birdcage as she lacked powers but in Episode 20 she gained enough power to do that.

> Showed instances where Altair displayed Physical Stats when she fought Selesia in Episode 1, Stomp Selesia in her Mecha, Overpower Aliceteria Physically, Unaffected by Tank Shells and Missiles explosion

> Showed the reason for this was the Audience Acceptance which was used to give powerups to the characters, invoke new characters and sustain their existence with it, and even boost Altair's power consistently to the point no one could touch her, let alone even hurt her

> Showed how Audience Acceptance and Emotions were the main reason why she got elevated to Low 2-C

In Conclusion, Not only was Audience Acceptance boosting the powers of Altair but it was also boosting her physical stats as shown in series and her Low 2-C version should logically have Low 2-C physical stats too due to how the verse treats Audience Acceptance as a mechanism that boosts the overall powers of a Character