This is so blatantly incorrect it makes it clear you're not arguing in good faith or with any actual knowledge of what you're talking about. Many verses on the wiki have H-scenes; if the majority of Rance's content is not sexual, it's not Level 4. MGQ isn't a fair comparison - every enemy attacks you with sexual violence. There's no way a SFW playthrough of MGQ could exist, so it's Level 4.
That... that exact argument was used in MGQ, though, Prom. It was specifically one of the opening arguments that MGQ could theoretically be played counter to its intent- that is, an h-game for people to jerk off to- and be 100% SFW.
I don't know why you're trying to paint me as a liar (or, at least, as dishonest), Prom, but looking to outside sources (and that's without the video evidence I would not post, which comprises the majority of what I found) paints a pretty straightforward picture to me. This shit's ****.
Do you agree that Rance is not nukige, as you said? Or are you again just referring to "the line" and where you'd like to draw it?
And it was wrong. You cannot play MGQ without avoiding sexual content; if a SFW playthrough was uploaded onto youtube, you'd have to censor like 80% of the screen for a huge portion of the game, or just cut out 90% of the actual gameplay. If Rance has actual gameplay and SFW playthroughs, it's fine, regardless of the sexual content and regardless of whether or not it's intended to be jerked off to. FSN and Tsukihime and Dies Irae all have sex scenes. Tsukihime, at least, has rape scenes. We allow these verses, and we allow other ones with deviant characters and deviant acts.
if you've read the op, i've linked to a summary of one of the games in the series, rance 03. that would be more helpful than 2 line descriptions.
I feel the need to ask based on your phrasing here: have you looked into Rance in the specific, done your homework and all that, or are you speaking in the abstract and simply felt the need to ask because I'm a bit of a prude?
There are very few require h scenes in rance that are forced, most of them are from side quests or optional choices.
So, not only are they a major focus of the game for the actual player, you cannot have a SFW playthrough.
Just for clarity, it isnt. The original VN featured like, 2 sex scenes per route in a massive 100 hour give or take story line. And the currently legally on Steam avaiable Amantes amentes version is free of sex iirc.
how did you get most of the scenes being optional choices as a major focus?
Okay, then as far as I can tell the games aren't remotely similar to what we're handling here. I don't see the wisdom in mentioning them.
thats a clear difference from the plot relevance of these scenes, which is being argued.
Which we completely went against in the past. The presence of gameplay and the option to avoid H-scenes isn't enough for us to go against the game's intended purpose.
What you're talking about is a nukige. That is different from an eroge, which is what rance is classified as.
That's rad, but I'm not speaking just from the classification. I've looked into it, this shit's ****.
sure, but it being classified as level4 would be if the game had no artistic value outside of the ****, which is clearly not the case :
Our rules don't mention "artistic value" at all, actually. It is directed towards the focus of the piece of work. Anything creative is inherently artistic.
Rance was always intended to have a greater plot, just the limits of the computers at the time made the older rance games barebones
Theoretically, no, but that particular game would definitely not be allowed.
Interviews with the game's main writer show he puts a quite a bit of thought into the plot of the rance series, sure **** is in it but that doesn't mean its the primary focus
Hentai can have plot and still be hentai. This is not a relevant argument. You admit it is pornographic, that's the lot of it, man.
pornographic content is not inherently level 4, depictions of sexual content are still permitted in level 3. that is quite relevant.
Quoting you.
Fandom only seems to act when it is pushed to do so. Even very large wikis can probably avoid action- in fact, several very large wikis are still only netting very small amounts of visits and user edits. I know because I used to run one.
having erotic elements does not mean being intended as ****. Rance is intended as a JRPG parody firsta nd foremost.
I called the sex scenes ****, 2 different meanings
Okay. I do not know what to think then. Should I ask Sannse about the issue?
These seem to be very good points.
It being pornographic in nature would mean it is ****. Without getting too far into the reeds here, I dunno what sort of **** you or anyone else has been watching, but it traditionally has some backdrop- some more than others. You, yourself, have ceded the point that this verse is, to an extent, just ****- this is while defending it.
How does admitting a verse has sex scenes mean it is just ****? This would mean berserk is just ****, tsukihime is just ****, you get the idea.
I think you may not know what the word "****" means.
Alright, should discussion about this topic be paused until then?
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