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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
The Kaioshin’s statement regarding the destruction of the Universe refers to something that was actively happening. The Universe remained unharmed because both of them canceled out the energy that was produced to destroy the entire macrocosm.
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You're reffering to anime, where canceling was a thing, but in manga there was nothing about it. And as we can see, nothing was happening because even humans were unharmed in the EPICENTER
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
In fact, the waves crossing the macrocosm only serve as evidence that the energy reached that location, and according to the work itself, everyone scales with ki. That means the feat is 2-C, since they scale to the energy produced by the shockwaves of the impacts. And what does that have to do with anything? It is still stated that the Universe would be destroyed and that it was only a matter of time. All humans there would have died due to the event that would eventually cause the destruction of the Universe.
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You're talking about a statement, but I'm arguing it being a feat(that's why you're defending it to be better than DBZ)
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
It does not matter whether it was shaking or destroying, because the feat was still in progress. We see the shockwaves reaching another dimension outside the macrocosm, which means that, over time, the shockwaves would destroy everything around them.
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No, it doesn't mean that because if shockwaves were strong, then the Earth would be destroyed or atleast damaged, but on reality even humans were inharmed.

Again, there is no feat
 
Mgebrat282 said:
You're reffering to anime, where canceling was a thing, but in manga there was nothing about it. And as we can see, nothing was happening because even humans were unharmed in the EPICENTER

You're talking about a statement, but I'm arguing it being a feat(that's why you're defending it to be better than DBZ)

No, it doesn't mean that because if shockwaves were strong, then the Earth would be destroyed or atleast damaged, but on reality even humans were inharmed.

Again, there is no feat
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Mate, if you’re so confident in removing the feat, just make a CRT to do it instead of talking in the DB thread. It’s evident that no one agrees with you, and that you aren’t going to change your position, so the only thing left to do is to try and put it to action.
 
Da3ggman said:
Mate, if you’re so confident in removing the feat, just make a CRT to do it instead of talking in the DB thread. It’s evident that no one agrees with you, and that you aren’t going to change your position, so the only thing left to do is to try and put it to action.
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I think making CRTs out of spite is against rules, tho.
 
Mgebrat282 said:
You're reffering to anime, where canceling was a thing, but in manga there was nothing about it. And as we can see, nothing was happening because even humans were unharmed in the EPICENTER
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your argument about humans not being harmed is flawed when you realize humans werent even harmed in the anime. 2C humans
 
Mbpoops said:
your argument about humans not being harmed is flawed when you realize humans werent even harmed in the anime. 2C humans
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In anime they did it smart. There was a statement about shockwaves getting stronger with distance and that's why shockwaves didn't damage humans on Earth(it was too weak in epicenter).
 
Dagoth_OwO said:
Too many anti-feats
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I know about them, like Arale contacting and overpowering him. But shouldn't they be explained by the fact Tori-bot was writing the entire plot and wrote everything in DB as it was stated, so he was a source of their power by giving them such lvl( For example, a non-1-A can be empowered by a higher entity into being able to influence things on a qualitatively superior level. This can happen either by a straightforward power boost, or by means of some innate metaphysical potential rooted in something from a higher reality (This can include both characters who are converted into natives of higher planes and characters who are physically lower-dimensional but have 1-A statistics https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System_FAQ#Q:_What_is_qualitative_superiority) ?
 
Can someone explain to me how movies are canon to toeo despite the BIG contradictions, I have an argument for it but I want to hear y'all's opinions
 
Starsprite53 said:
I mean, this just explains the connections using guide books and 3rd party/promotional stuff (Besides Garlic.jr arc and Cooler in GT), how does explain the tons of nonsensical contradictions?
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That's the neat part it doesn't. The blog was made mostly due to how contradictory the previous canon standards for Toei were, with having 4 films canon (Dead Zone, Cooler's Revenge, Fusion Reborn, Wrath of the Dragon) despite those films having strong connections to other far more contradictory ones, with those also having some connections to the anime. It was just a blatant double standard.

I get why even with that evidence it wouldn't buy you into it, the franchise never make a proper and cohesive effort to explain the weird Toei canon shenanigans between the anime and movies, for its many connections and contradictions
 
Ednaxel2 said:
That's the neat part it doesn't. The blog was made mostly due to how contradictory the previous canon standards for Toei were, with having 4 films canon (Dead Zone, Cooler's Revenge, Fusion Reborn, Wrath of the Dragon) despite those films having strong connections to other far more contradictory ones, with those also having some connections to the anime. It was just a blatant double standard.

I get why even with that evidence it wouldn't buy you into it, the franchise never make a proper and cohesive effort to explain the weird Toei canon shenanigans between the anime and movies, for its many connections and contradictions
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How Fusion Reborn is even canon? It's entire plot contradicts anime to the fullest
 
Mgebrat282 said:
How Fusion Reborn is even canon? It's entire plot contradicts anime to the fullest
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It's said to be GT Gogeta's first appearance, GT Gogeta references his lines from the movie. It's also objectively tied to the other films which have their own connections like Dead Zone with its Garlic Jr. arc. You guys gotta know that the east does not gaf about strict canon as much as the west.
 
Alright I wanna ask

Does Goku's Basic Ki Blast Vaporise souls or something ? I see soul manip and on the Ki Page
 
Starsprite53 said:
I mean, this just explains the connections using guide books and 3rd party/promotional stuff (Besides Garlic.jr arc and Cooler in GT), how does explain the tons of nonsensical contradictions?
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They don't. Hell, even Daizenshuu explicitely notes Movies 3 and 7 are in parallel worlds. The Dragon Box for the movies also says they are "What-Ifs"
 
Ednaxel2 said:
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Also the Movies were being made at the same time as the Manga was being published

There are cool what ifs and scenarios they made since DB is pretty fond of using "alternative scenarios" (see Xenoverse or many if the older games)

Like they replaced SSJ with False SSJ (?) in the Slug Movie or they fit in the Broly Movie in the Cell Saga

They were just writing cool stuff up as they went along with it
 
Ednaxel2 said:
It's said to be GT Gogeta's first appearance
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It's more like his appearence in media, because the entire movie of Fusion reborn can't happen withing anime. Goku and Vegeta are died, Goku is fighting with Pikuhan at the otherworld tournament when he should be with Gohan who isn't traning with Kaioshin but chilling on Earth with everyone alive and good. Goten and Trunks know how to use fusion and there is no Buu
 
Ednaxel2 said:
It's also objectively tied to the other films which have their own connections like Dead Zone with its Garlic Jr. arc. You guys gotta know that the east does not gaf about strict canon as much as the west.
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Then why Movies aren't canon for DBS, several characters and moments are referenced in DBS that appeared only in DBZ fillers. Also Garlick jr movie with arc in anime and Cooler revenge are in Daizenshu timeline, when other movies aren't, so if VSBW consider movies as canon to Toei, then atleast these two movies and Garlick arc should be canon to manga and DBS
 
BoastJr said:
Also the Movies were being made at the same time as the Manga was being published

There are cool what ifs and scenarios they made since DB is pretty fond of using "alternative scenarios" (see Xenoverse or many if the older games)

Like they replaced SSJ with False SSJ (?) in the Slug Movie or they fit in the Broly Movie in the Cell Saga

They were just writing cool stuff up as they went along with it
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Yeah, they are what-ifs. That's why I think they can be scaled to any DB media(manga, Toei and DBS) because they are what-ifs for a moment of time in DB. For example movie with Super 13, it's what-if A18 and 17 decided not to follow their programs and just killed DR. Gero to live normal lives, instead 13, 14 and 15 were activated and attacked Goku and co(which is shown in the movie itself).
 
Can you not reply to me in 3 different messages come tf on
Mgebrat282 said:
Then why Movies aren't canon for DBS
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That's not even a discussion Toriyama strictly says that the films are not part of his work lmao
Mgebrat282 said:
It's more like his appearence in media
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It's not, and the contradictions to it doesn't mean to referring to it being media.
Mgebrat282 said:
so if VSBW consider movies as canon to Toei, then atleast these two movies and Garlick arc should be canon to manga and DBS
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Again these films are objectively connected to one another, to pick and choose which one is canon or not is straight up double standards
 
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