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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Mbpoops said:
How are those statements more reliable..? Those are statements by the characters themselves that could be taken as pure hyperbole. Kid buu would destroy the universe overtime not in one blow. Frieza’s destroy the universe thing was a narrator statement which isnt really taken into account as evidence on this site. Cell can be taken as pure hyperbole. Theres no supporting evidence for any of these characters in the manga while beerus and goku have a direct statement from the elder kai, someone who oversees the universe and can understand the level of beerus’ power better than anyone (except whis ofc), and showing of the shockwaves traversing the universe. If anything what you’re doing is trying to nuke dragon ball super manga down to 4A if you’re saying that beerus and goku’s fest isnt uni
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For Frieza it was stated 2 times by King Kai, 1 time by Goku who just fought with him, and even by Shonen Jump. "しだい つよ ごはん ○次第に強くなっていく悟飯やべ きき ジータに危機感を抱いたフリーザ さいご しゅうりよう は、最後の変身を終了した!! 少 からだ やさ くちょう ぎや 年のような体や優しい口調とは逆 うちゅうに、この宇宙そのものを消し去る ほどのパワーを持っているのだ!"
"Despite his slender, almost youthful body and gentle tone of voice, he wields power great enough to erase the universe itself!!" - translated on this site
For Cell it was stated 1 time by A16 thou
For Buu it was stated by many databooks and by Kaioshin
And Frieza has a feat of enduring Genkidama from the entire universe
 
Mgebrat282 said:
For Frieza it was stated 2 times by King Kai, 1 time by Goku who just fought with him, and even by Shonen Jump. "しだい つよ ごはん ○次第に強くなっていく悟飯やべ きき ジータに危機感を抱いたフリーザ さいご しゅうりよう は、最後の変身を終了した!! 少 からだ やさ くちょう ぎや 年のような体や優しい口調とは逆 うちゅうに、この宇宙そのものを消し去る ほどのパワーを持っているのだ!"
"Despite his slender, almost youthful body and gentle tone of voice, he wields power great enough to erase the universe itself!!" - translated on this site
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1. Not sure if the thread was accepted yet. But translators are just 3rd party sources and hold no weight in narrative. Its even contradicted by the story because we just left earth, we dont have a scope of the entire universe yet. Which brings me to my next point… how would goku know frieza could destroy the universe if he had just learned about life outside of earth? Goku wouldnt be a reliable source here king kai i believe its hyperbole and i would like to see proof/context
Mgebrat282 said:
For Cell it was stated 1 time by A16 thou
For Buu it was stated by many databooks and by Kaioshin
And Frieza has a feat of enduring Genkidama from the entire universe
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Since when was the namek genkidama universal? Pretty sure he got energy from namek to make that. Also.. show statements..?
 
So why am I hearing offsite about some hot ass argument in this thread happening and I immediately open this thread to some dude larping about shockwaves in the big year 2026. You might ass well bring back Moon level outlier Roshi if we're reverting to 2018 ahh debates.
 
All the arguments ive seen so far dont actually prove universal Z and if anything you would just be downgrading beerus and goku’s clash (in the manga) to 4A… which i mean… lol? (Literally traveled to the world of the kais which is outside the macrocosm IN THE PANEL I SENT IT STATED THIS) theres no proof of universal Z its all literally overtime destruction.
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Mbpoops said:
1. Not sure if the thread was accepted yet. But translators are just 3rd party sources and hold no weight in narrative.
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It's not just a translator, but a Shonen Jump itself.
Mbpoops said:
Its even contradicted by the story because we just left earth, we dont have a scope of the entire universe yet.
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Goku left Earth and traveled to the moon
Mbpoops said:
Which brings me to my next point… how would goku know frieza could destroy the universe if he had just learned about life outside of earth? Goku wouldnt be a reliable source here king kai i believe its hyperbole and i would like to see proof/context
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My message has links for statements
Mbpoops said:
Since when was the namek genkidama universal? Pretty sure he got energy from namek to make that. Also.. show statements..?
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Namek's genkidama was made from the energy of the entire universe (source: Dragonball: Forever)
 
I don't what prompts people to go Devils advocate and downgrade shit just because one of your upgrade attempts didn't work

Couldn't be me
 
BoastJr said:
Probably because he is using the Elder Kai statement that Buutenks can destroy the universe
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Depends on if its overtime (most likely case) or instant. Not sure how that would apply to speed but if it does then im using that for infinite speed cyrene and TB. And the universe in the manga is finite so its still mftl+
 
I got this text translated and it he Say it says; Goku accomplished nearly double growth through Kami sama’s training.
The numerical value when he accumulates ki with the Kamehameharises to close to 1000!

But the oficial translation to spanish says otherwise



It's says "He managed to double the strength he obtained with Kamisama"
 
Gp972 said:
I got this text translated and it he Say it says; Goku accomplished nearly double growth through Kami sama’s training.
The numerical value when he accumulates ki with the Kamehameharises to close to 1000!

But the oficial translation to spanish says otherwise



It's says "He managed to double the strength he obtained with Kamisama"
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Which one should I believe based on the context? Because what the image and text above show is Goku from the Raditz fight.
 
Gp972 said:
I got this text translated and it he Say it says; Goku accomplished nearly double growth through Kami sama’s training.
The numerical value when he accumulates ki with the Kamehameharises to close to 1000!

But the oficial translation to spanish says otherwise



It's says "He managed to double the strength he obtained with Kamisama"
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Most likely is a mistranslation.

Original text always takes preference over any sort of translation
 
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