Alien X vs Hulk | 4-0-3

[Excellence616]

Can Hulk really use the full power of Gamma? I remember Devil Hulk being below the One Below All where Gamma originates from, or at least Hulk couldn’t damage him for long even while in hell.

Likely an avatar of TOBA since he can take any form

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

You just explained the difference or else you'd consider punching someone to be biological manipulation

Their both Mind Manipulation via alternate means. And it'll end up with Hulk fighting X/Ben in his own PocketD where he has full control over

Gamma energy is magic which has
Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1), Information Manipulation (Type 2: Fundamental), Subjective Reality, Law Manipulation, and Reality Warping: Magic is a conceptual system that allows an individual to control the natural world (including events, objects, people, and physical phenomena).[3] The five elements of magic are also noted as the five elements of "all-that-is",[4] something which is later mentioned in the same story by Universal Eternity itself,[41] and are independent of creation due to having existed before the Marvel Multiverse's conception and even having existed before time itself did[16] (which is also stated here[17] and here[18]). Magic is also one of the 6 elements that makes up the shape of the universe and the totality of everything.[15] Gamma Radiation, a Type 1 Concept of its own, contains magic[43] as part of its very nature. All of the Abstracts, conceptual beings who exist beyond and above the standard infinite-dimensional universe, are sustained by magic in its purest, most fundamental form. The Enigma Force, which is the very spirit of Eternity, without which Earth-616 itself instantly collapses, is mystical in nature. Magic is outside and opposite the concepts of logic and can replace them if they are destroyed.[11] "Magic is taking a thought and making it real. Taking a lie and making it the truth. Telling a story to the universe so utterly, cosmically perfect that for a single, shining moment... the world believes a man can fly "[55] and those stories echo through space and time back to the start of all things, mixing with the All-That-Was and sparking something new, such as the mythical Gods of the Marvel Universe as well as the 10 Norse Realms (each of which is its own universe), becoming so big and mad and brilliant that they go back in time and change other stories.[56] Doctor Doom tells Loki that magic is essentially a higher narrative into the flow of events, imposing a narrative upon reality, imposing a story, a fiction into reality and willing it to become true. To be a creature of magic is to be a creature of story. Right after this, he states that he himself is a creature of magic, which makes him a creature of story.[59] Doctor Doom also stated that all reality warpers have magic within their bodies and that disrupting their magic removes their reality warping powers,[117] and Jim Jaspers states that sorcerers can move reality about.[118] Magic is symbol and metaphor, and can be contained within metaphorical stories while in itself contain possible questions, such as "What if the future was unwritten, the present uncontained? What if we could go anywhere, do anything, be anyone? What if we were free? What couldn't we do, on the day all our cages open? What does the bridge to anywhere look like?". Stories turn moments into power--moments like this--and a teller of tales can harness that power, even in the moment.[119] Scarlet Witch states that magic is rewriting the structure of the universe according to how much you believe you can.[120] As mentioned above, in the "Mystic Universe" (the half of Earth 616 that is purely magical in nature), none of the laws of the scientific universe work normally,[29] as they are dominated by the chaotic precepts of magic.[25] Magic is bending and shaping reality to one's own ends,[121] and is about splitting open the world around you and being able to read the mysteries inside like a book as well as knowing how to stitch and sever them like a surgeon.[122] Doctor Strange stated that sorcerers have little patience for the laws of nature.[123] Iron Man states that Doctor Strange, as the main sorcerer who Iron Man is familiar with, represents "a world without rules" in regard to the nature of magic.[124] Magic has no rules (in direct contrast to science), is immeasurable and unpredictable, and creates beings of pure metaphor.[43] The realm of Lord Chaos and Master Order, who exist as the forces that shape and sustain reality as a whole (Order being responsible for giving the universe shape and stability and Chaos responsible for giving it movement and dynamism[91]) and whose realm is stated to both be the fulcrum of existence, from which all that is springs forth[38] and also stated to lie between the polarities of actuality, being a plane where all dichotomies blend together and cease to exist,[38] is repeatedly[39] stated[37] to be[39] a realm made[33][34][35] of magic,[89] and simply travelling in this realm warped Thanos's body.[38] When anyone uses a magic spell, even a novice entirely unaware of their own magic abilities simply making a wish, they are making the universe bend by speaking words of power,[57] and magic is stated to be just a way of telling the universe to bend to your will.[125] Magic and Chaos are linked, abetting the undoing of physical absolutes.[72] The mystic dimensions within the mystical half of the universe have their fundamental properties governed by magical energies, including the Astral Plane itself,[24] something also stated here.[25] Loki states that magic by its very nature is the antithesis of the "rules" of reality.[113] Magic is the in-between, the fraying edge between reality and unreality. A hidden string secretly linking all things that only the adroit may tug free. It is the place none can follow, an implication lurking behind words, the coil of rope before it cinches in purpose. There is even magic intent in the driving of a dagger.Even a hero's name possesses magical power,[52] something also stated here[126] and here.[127] In higher dimensions, magic supersedes physical laws and is the only energetic medium that can effect change. Magic can bypass the slow mechanics of creation, such as natural laws and rational processes, and are the "cheat codes" for reality. It also can circumvent all physical laws and is the "cheat code" of creation

Then his profile would've been L1A. There is different kinds of magic in the verse. Hulk and the one Below was mentioned nowhere in this.

He could punch into Alien X's pocket dimension at least

He still doesn't have the range.

That would just mean Silver Surfer is a smurf

The little blue men that live in mushroom houses? Is there proof of this. Hulk's radiation was drained by SS.

So Hulk will passively keep destroying Alien X's avatar because of Low 1-A hax potency

but will never be able to hurt X's true form because he lacks range

Pretty much but X can still affect Hulk from his pocketD. So Hulk kills the avatar, turns back into Bruve and then uses EE.
Extract:
Immortality (Types 1, 3 & 9; Celestialsapiens cannot die naturally. They live eternal life as they are born in The Forge of Creation. Alien X's consciousness which comprises of three personalities/beings, namely Serena, Bellicus, and Ben who is physically present, resides somewhere outside of the universe, disconnected from space-time, and exists independently of their body and can perform all actions without said body. For characters to be able to affect this consciousness they must have High 1-B range and at that must be able to not just locate the pocket dimension and the personalities within for non-AoE moves, but also affect all of them at once)

its here

Magic (Marvel Comics)

There are many types of magic in the vast and complex history of Marvel Comics. However, while all the magic types are different to varying degrees, and some are definitely more well known than others, all share basic elements and powers (as well as basic potency that is likely...

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huh??
its literally accepted that all magic in marvel is Low 1-A

No. Gamma users are listed under basic magic users along with GR(H1B). Magic is L1A but not all of the users scale to it.

 

[Robo432343]

Then his profile would've been L1A. There is different kinds of magic in the verse. Hulk and the one Below was mentioned nowhere in this.

no it wouldn't have
you can have High 1-B AP but Low 1-A hax

literally everyone in this thread has a certain tier but haxes above their AP

Top 15 Strongest Characters for Every Tier

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[Excellence616]

Then his profile would've been L1A. There is different kinds of magic in the verse. Hulk and the one Below was mentioned nowhere in this.

The One Above All/The One Below is generator of gamma energy. Anyone who has it has a connection to him.

The little blue men that live in mushroom houses? Is there proof of this. Hulk's radiation was drained by SS.

Yes because Silver Surfer has the Power Cosmic. You can virtually do almost anything with it including draining. Galactus has the power cosmic and can reach Outerversal Levels and yes Silver Surfer don't have anything like that on his profile because his profile is outdated and would be worked on.

No. Gamma users are listed under basic magic users along with GR(H1B). Magic is L1A but not all of the users scale to it.

Magic in general is Low 1-A including Gamma.
It doesn't matter if you are a Basic or Sorcerer level user level automatically, you have Low 1-A hax.

Pretty much but X can still affect Hulk from his pocketD. So Hulk kills the avatar, turns back into Bruve and then uses EE.

Banner can comeback

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Hulk smash stupid green eyed alien

 

[Brogeefrong]

Their both Mind Manipulation via alternate means. And it'll end up with Hulk fighting X/Ben in his own PocketD where he has full control over

They arent, one manipulates it, while the other is just touching it, same example touching a human doesnt mean you have biological manipulation

He still doesn't have the range.

He can make it into where they are

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

He can make it into where they are

Dude WTF his attacks literally can't reach to X's pocket D, the pocked D is out of the universe which requires High1B range to reach and find where it is

 

[Robo432343]

but Hulk doesn't need to find Alien X's pocket dimension
he can just kill the avatar
thats incap

 

[Tomfer]

Then his profile would've been L1A. There is different kinds of magic in the verse. Hulk and the one Below was mentioned nowhere in this.

No. Gamma users are listed under basic magic users along with GR(H1B). Magic is L1A but not all of the users scale to it.

You're wrong btw, every single magic user has magic potency L1A. No matter if you're unskilled magician or Strange himself.

Anyway, what's stopping from saying Passive Haxs + Green Door gg?

 

[Robo432343]

Anyway, what's stopping from saying Passive Haxs + Green Door gg?

the argument is that hulk doesn't have the High 1-B range to attack Alien X's pocket dimension

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

but Hulk doesn't need to find Alien X's pocket dimension
he can just kill the avatar
thats incap

Killing the avatar doesn't means he wins, AX can still attack from Pocket D or his avatar can teleport to anywhere and just attack from there

 

[MintyBoi1]

Also Low-Godly regen, not much Hulk can do about that. Seeming a bit lopsided in Alien X’s favor.

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

Anyways i will discuss this later, it's been too late for my country

 

[Robo432343]

Also Low-Godly regen, not much Hulk can do about that. Seeming a bit lopsided in Alien X’s favor.

CM type 1 bypasses low godly regen
you need high godly regen to come back from that

 

[Brogeefrong]

Dude WTF his attacks literally can't reach to X's pocket D, the pocked D is out of the universe which requires High1B range to reach and find where it is

He can break out of his universe, and has senses to locate X

Also Low-Godly regen, not much Hulk can do about that. Seeming a bit lopsided in Alien X’s favor.

Low Godly via Mind, and Hulk has NPI for minds anyways + CM Type 1 stuff

 

[MintyBoi1]

He can break out of his universe, and has senses to locate X

Low Godly via Mind, and Hulk has NPI for minds anyways + CM Type 1 stuff

But you need High Hyperversal range which Hulk doesn’t have. And isn’t Devil the one with ESP?

I see, still I think Alien X’s win cons are more feasible.

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

He can break out of his universe, and has senses to locate X

Low Godly via Mind, and Hulk has NPI for minds anyways + CM Type 1 stuff

You are simply ignoring the range.

 

[Excellence616]

Also Low-Godly regen, not much Hulk can do about that. Seeming a bit lopsided in Alien X’s favor.

Not when he is affected by fate, probability, causality, plot, chaos haxs of Low 1-A potency

 

[Brogeefrong]

But you need High Hyperversal range which Hulk doesn’t have. And isn’t Devil the one with ESP?

Gamma's can punch out the Universe which is Low 1-A, and Normal Hulk has this

• Enhanced Senses & Extrasensory Perception via Mystic senses (He can perceive spirits and can know if he's being watched as well as feel, hear, and see them, Can see things which exist as concepts)

I see, still I think Alien X’s win cons are more feasible.

so vote or

You are simply ignoring the range.

He can break out of his Low 1-A universe via space-time manip

 

[MintyBoi1]

so vote or

Sure, I’ll vote Alien X for now.

 

[Eseseso]

This is incon.

Hulk has Low 1-A smurf hax via gamma energy being magical (with magic in Marvel being a Low 1-A smurf hax in potency), but I don't know if he has the range to affect Alien X's true self.

 

[Excellence616]

Hulk leaning towards incon

 

[AigerTheKing]

Alien X FRA

 

[Robo432343]

alien gex needs his avatar to hurt hulk
hulk passively kills the avatar
we're using alien x, not serena and bellicus

 

[GeneralSol16]

Ben has no issue killing either.

You're wrong there.

The Ultimate Kevin arc is canonically OoC for Ben. We've seen that he DOES NOT kill at all during UAF and OV, even when he had the reasons and/or opportunity.

• He didn't want to kill Zomboso, even if he attempted to hurt his family.
• He didn't want Kevin to kill Ragnarok, because he need to "be judged properly."
• One of Plumbers rules is that they are not executioners, but a force of good.
• He didn't allow Ben 23 to kill Azmuth, not only because it was Azmuth, but also cuz "He almost crossed a line with no return."

Even during Ultimate Kevin arc he didn't want to kill Jim until literally the final of the arc, and even then, he wasn't sure about doing it.

Maybe Ben isn't Spider-Man or Batman, but he will walkways try to not kill if there's LITERALLY any other way to defeat the bad guy, and even then, he would try another way.

 

[Success0906]

Why do you guys always ignore the profiles? Ooof. I will present arguments for both sides in a sec.

I am leaning towards incon for now.

 

[Huesito88]

How big is Hulk's passive Radiation range?

 

[Success0906]

How big is Hulk's passive Radiation range?

It affects the astral plane as well, iirc.

 

[Robo432343]

SBA distance would assume whatever range hulk has since he is the one with lower range
we don't do the 4km thing anymore

 

[Success0906]

I hate this stupid match. Robo makes much better matches fr!
(I am not dissing the OP, I just don't like my favorite western characters fighting each other. I don't know who to support!)

 

[Huesito88]

SBA distance would assume whatever range hulk has since he is the one with lower range
we don't do the 4km thing anymore

Hulk's Thunder Claps can extend from Kilometers to Planetary

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

alien gex needs his avatar to hurt hulk
hulk passively kills the avatar
we're using alien x, not serena and bellicus

Immortality (Types 1, 3 & 9; Celestialsapiens cannot die naturally. They live eternal life as they are born in The Forge of Creation. Alien X's consciousness which comprises of three personalities/beings, namely Serena, Bellicus, and Ben who is physically present, resides somewhere outside of the universe, disconnected from space-time, and exists independently of their body and can perform all actions without said body. For characters to be able to affect this consciousness they must have High 1-B range and at that must be able to not just locate the pocket dimension and the personalities within for non-AoE moves, but also affect all of them at once)

Belecus, Serena and Ben are part of Alien X.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Ehm, guys, sorry to bother.

But does anyone knows how to upload a Vs Match? Cuz I've tried everything and i can't find it.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

but Hulk doesn't need to find Alien X's pocket dimension
he can just kill the avatar
thats incap

Immortality (Types 1, 3 & 9; Celestialsapiens cannot die naturally. They live eternal life as they are born in The Forge of Creation. Alien X's consciousness which comprises of three personalities/beings, namely Serena, Bellicus, and Ben who is physically present, resides somewhere outside of the universe, disconnected from space-time, and exists independently of their body and can perform all actions without said body. For characters to be able to affect this consciousness they must have High 1-B range and at that must be able to not just locate the pocket dimension and the personalities within for non-AoE moves, but also affect all of them at once)

Gamma's can punch out the Universe which is Low 1-A, and Normal Hulk has this

• Enhanced Senses & Extrasensory Perception via Mystic senses (He can perceive spirits and can know if he's being watched as well as feel, hear, and see them, Can see things which exist as concepts)

This won't allow him to see the pocketD. He'll need Cosmic Awareness to find it. X isn't a spirit nor a concept.

He can break out of his Low 1-A universe via space-time mamanip

The it should be added to his profile. Stop using things that aren't in his profile as arguments.

Not when he is affected by fate, probability, causality, plot, chaos haxs of Low 1-A potency

Legit none of these are in his profile.

You're wrong btw, every single magic user has magic potency L1A. No matter if you're unskilled magician or Strange himself.

Anyway, what's stopping from saying Passive Haxs + Green Door gg?

Then why is She Hulk only H3A and some other Hulk 5A. Also GT is High 1B. None of them are L1A via Hax. Please stick to the character's profile.
Lacks range+X has resistance to radiation manipulation via space survival+does the Green Door allow to to return from EE.

You're wrong there.

The Ultimate Kevin arc is canonically OoC for Ben. We've seen that he DOES NOT kill at all during UAF and OV, even when he had the reasons and/or opportunity.

• He didn't want to kill Zomboso, even if he attempted to hurt his family.
• He didn't want Kevin to kill Ragnarok, because he need to "be judged properly."
• One of Plumbers rules is that they are not executioners, but a force of good.
• He didn't allow Ben 23 to kill Azmuth, not only because it was Azmuth, but also cuz "He almost crossed a line with no return."

Even during Ultimate Kevin arc he didn't want to kill Jim until literally the final of the arc, and even then, he wasn't sure about doing it.

Maybe Ben isn't Spider-Man or Batman, but he will walkways try to not kill if there's LITERALLY any other way to defeat the bad guy, and even then, he would try another way.

So Ben will kill if his or other's lives are in danger. From let's say a giant angry green monster.

Hulk's Thunder Claps can extend from Kilometers to Planetary

So X can physically restrain Hulk from a safe distance with telekinesis and higher lifting strength.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Ehm, guys, sorry to bother.

But does anyone knows how to upload a Vs Match? Cuz I've tried everything and i can't find it.

Here:

Versus Threads

This board is for discussing character fights. Please avoid highly controversial topics.

vsbattles.com

 

[Success0906]

Then why is She Hulk only H3A and some other Hulk 5A. Also GT is High 1B. None of them are L1A via Hax. Please stick to the character's profile.
Lacks range+X has resistance to radiation manipulation via space survival+does the Green Door allow to to return from EE.

Those are passive effect hax, not like destroy things hax. Some hax can be of Low 1-A potency for affecting characters of that level. These characters are called Smurf.

Legit none of these are in his profile.

It is, just look at the magic page.

The it should be added to his profile. Stop using things that aren't in his profile as arguments.

It is, actually. It has already been established that marvel universes are Low 1-A and Hulk can break through these universes.

I am actually just gonna vote for incon until someone who is actually knowledgeable about Marvel comes on this thread.

 

[Success0906]

X has resistance to radiation manipulation via space survival+does the Green Door allow to to return from EE.

Gamma radiation in marvel is way different than normal radiation. It's a nondualistic mystical force or something, so Alien X doesn't resist this typa stuff.

 

[Robo432343]

Then why is She Hulk only H3A and some other Hulk 5A. Also GT is High 1B. None of them are L1A via Hax. Please stick to the character's profile.

She Hulk has High 3-A AP but Low 1-A Hax potency. What part of that do you not understand. Not everything has to be spelt out for you

And we know she has Low 1-A hax because it says on her profile that she is a magic user which is accepted as Low 1-A

"please stick to the character's profile" brother you're the one denying marvel characters have Low 1-A hax even though its accepted as such

the profiles don't have to say a character is Low 1-A via hax when the profile already states that they have basic magic

 

[GeneralSol16]

So Ben will kill if his or other's lives are in danger. From let's say a giant angry green monster.

No, he won't.
We've seen that scenarios on the show, and he doesn't kill them, textually being against the idea of killing his villains even if they attempt to kill his parents.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

No, he won't.
We've seen that scenarios on the show, and he doesn't kill them, textually being against the idea of killing his villains even if they attempt to kill his parents.

So he restrains him from a safe distance with Telekinesis and Body Puppetry with his superior lifting strength.