To be fair watching the full episodes to get the full context isn’t a bad idea, especially with the Weapon XI ones. The people who know about the causality standards don’t need to know about Ben 10 to see if my reasoning checks out and the people who know about Ben 10 don’t need to know about causality standards to correct me if I misquoted something.Man literally wants people to watch 6 episodes of 22 min each to understand the first post.
A+ support my guy.
Alright, could you point me to an example of a character for which this is the case?
Nobody in-verse made a statement about the pocket dimension, nobody being able to interact with it is the logical conclusion of my evidence.
That is both horrible reasoning that uses out-of-verse descriptions against in-verse happenings, making basically every time or causality destruction feat unprovable but also hilariously misses the point as causality was never destroyed. It's based on a statement, just like Alien X's Existence Erasure.
I recall back then, that there are some characters who simply unbound causality system in their verse, and yet only gets type 4.
So you're saying that he doesn't have pocket dimensions? if I'm not mistaken what you’re saying this.
Oh I can prove it just fine.
Where's the causality nuke here? I only see some "unbound by the laws of the world" stuff here. Which is different from Alien X.
That is not what I stated, we can visually see that he has a pocket dimension, that is all.
Yes, Ben is not suicidal and both Kevin and Servantis know this. So since Servantis said that Alien X could wish everything out of existence and later said that Ben lived up to be the threat he made him out to be, that means Alien X can erase everything and also survive and act afterwards.
See you're trying to claim, that if
He is unbound by the “karma” system, which includes fate, law, and causality. Which is higher than the “World principle”.
I don’t see why Ben would try to destroy himself. We don’t assume that characters who can erase everything will also try and erase themselves. I count 2 founded assumptions: Ben destroying everything resulting in the destruction of causality which is pretty much already accepted in the previous thread and Alien X being unaffected by it because he is not suicidal. So in total I’m adding 1 assumption on top of what is already accepted. So feel free to argue that Ben is in fact suicidal to oppose that.
Since when are statements no longer allowed to grant abilities?
Bad analogy as regular people are inherently bound by causality whereas being bound by fire is quite nonsensical. The point is moreso that since Alien X can act without causality, he was never bound by it in the first place.
Does it include all of causality or only a single system of causality?
The wiki treats time and causality as separate entities and unrelated to each other.
I dunno Man, Lavos has Acausality 4 based on it being a NEP dude in a Nonexistent void where space, time and concept do not exist.
Eh no lol, cause and effect can easily exist without time. The Big Bang irl is arguably such a case.
Sounds like thar shouks be type 5 nep but story for another time.
While true, Ben 10 treats Spacetime as system of cause and effect (which our standards says can qualify), it has been explained in the previous thread and that's why I asked you abt it in wall yesterday.
We can go over whataboutism but we do are aware of unspoken standards that contradict the spoken standards. You can't qualify by being outside of spacetime unless relationship btw time and causality has been explained.
Sounds like that verse needs a revision then, I suggest waiting till this thread concludes.
I would not say I have great knowledge of Type 5 acausality, but it's something that can be pretty clear-cut. I'll check the OP
There will be a revision soon I will make, it's just... we wait for the manga to develop and get more evidence on it.
Is not all of timelines in Trinity seven is bound by karma as well? My friend @Rendynoc0unter supports the verse so I have little knowledge on it.
That's derailing from the goal of this thread Reiner, either we discuss on general discussion thread or you can message me and talk about it privately.
Alien X EE has been accepted to be superior or comparable to chrononavogator already actually because servantis calling him Omnipotent in that regards which was supported by paradox previously, Alien X reality wrapping range extends to the Multiverse as we have seen him changing the art style of entire Multiverse, Alien X EE comes under his reality wrapping because of "wishing things outta existence", more of reasons here but that's not really the topic.
Acausality type 4! Alien x existence still bound with Causality. he is indeed outside law of Causality but the law of Causality of world, alien x existence certainly have Causality and alien existence just unbound Causality of world not him self
All of space-time is currently accepted as being tied to causality in Ben 10. So you can check the previously accepted thread for that.
Ben not being suicidal is the argument that covers that. Can you prove Ben is suicidal? If your contention is that being able to act without causality existing is not the same as transcending causality then I suggest you wait until the acausality experts comment here (since I think a lot of people are waiting to see that confirmed/denied), thank you for your input however.
If it is weak, then why is it accepted? We're going of of what is accepted and then building upon that, calling accepted evidence weak to undermine a CRT that relies on it would require a separate CRT.
Fair, although I doubt this was just a staff oversight.
Uhuh ok.
I see, would it be a high degree of type 4 though? Could you also elaborate on the difference between this and type 5 (for instance would one be able to interact with a being who exist outside of causality without feats of doing so)?
I see.
If you could give me some pointers of what you need that'd be nice.
Celestialsapiens are born in the Forge of Creation which is enclosed by the Chrono Randomization barrier (which makes it out of sync with all of time) as explicitly stated in the show.
