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Alien X (Ben 10) vs Arceus Avatar (Pokemon)

omegabronic said:
does it work on 5D hax? if not alien X just ignores it with his 5D EE
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Yes. Any hax that comes out of his plates are subsets of their essence age are subject to it.

Which is where 5D Invulnerability and power null comes from. Get X to get past all these. Then we can discuss X dealing why damage here
 
DonkeySlayer06 said:
I think this should be incon, as you said, if the Omnitrix can scan Arceus, it would be Arceus vs. Arceus.
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Nothing can copy the plates. And it only works on Pokémon anyway, and even then it only works on Arceus

And even Arceus giving them Arceus and he's still superior to them.

He's simply unreachable by anything that comes after his existence. Not even exact replicas with his own powers are his equal
 
Ret_of_Guys said:
I mean if we're using 6-D Alien X we can always use True Form Arceus.
Incon FRA
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Arceus beats him.

He's way too big for X, scales above millions of 5D realms beneath him and still infinitely larger,

It's basically 2 3D beings but one is the size of an infinite universe and one is human size, do that math
 
Sniper670 said:
Nothing can copy the plates. And it only works on Pokémon anyway, and even then it only works on Arceus
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the omnitrix can copy arceus himself in dna and become him at the peak of the species, yes i know that arceus isn't a species, but you got what i meant

Sniper670 said:
And even Arceus giving them Arceus and he's still superior to them.
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ben becomes peak of the species

Sniper670 said:
He's simply unreachable by anything that comes after his existence. Not even exact replicas with his own powers are his equal
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if they don't match him then they are not exact replicas

Sniper670 said:
Arceus beats him.

He's way too big for X, scales above millions of 5D realms beneath him and still infinitely larger,
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which is what a baseline 6D is, so he can

Sniper670 said:
It's basically 2 3D beings but one is the size of an infinite universe and one is human size, do that math
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both are of the same scope, AX has the range to hit him, nonetheless, this isn't true form so it doesn't matter much
 
Sniper670 said:
Arceus beats him.

He's way too big for X, scales above millions of 5D realms beneath him and still infinitely larger,

It's basically 2 3D beings but one is the size of an infinite universe and one is human size, do that math
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There is no such thing as millions of 5D they are all the same and being 6D make you pretty much infinitely above 5D so even if you are millions of times 5D it doesn't matter it still infinitely below 6D regardless
 
Gohanblanco217 said:
There is no such thing as millions of 5D they are all the same
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Someone being able to destroy millions of higher dimensional structures will be stronger than one who can destroy just 1 of them.
Gohanblanco217 said:
and being 6D make you pretty much infinitely above 5D
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Has nothing to do with size. That's just AP.
Gohanblanco217 said:
so even if you are millions of times 5D it doesn't matter it still infinitely below 6D regardless
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I'm talking about Size in relation to each other. The Original Spirit is far too large for X (Large Size Type 10), so prove X has enough range to affect such size, otherwise the OS destroys him with sheer size
 
Sniper670 said:
Someone being able to destroy millions of higher dimensional structures will be stronger than one who can destroy just 1 of them.

Has nothing to do with size. That's just AP.

I'm talking about Size in relation to each other. The Original Spirit is far too large for X (Large Size Type 10), so prove X has enough range to affect such size, otherwise the OS destroys him with sheer size
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Alien X EE goes to cover all of cosmology whose size is possibly L1C.
 
Sniper670 said:
Someone being able to destroy millions of higher dimensional structures will be stronger than one who can destroy just 1 of them.

Has nothing to do with size. That's just AP.

I'm talking about Size in relation to each other. The Original Spirit is far too large for X (Large Size Type 10), so prove X has enough range to affect such size, otherwise the OS destroys him with sheer size
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Alien x scale to the whole cosmology which is possibly 6D.......
 
omegabronic said:
has the power null being shown to null 5D EE?


how does it work?


has he shown to resist 5D EE? also how does he use/activate his EE?


has that shown to work on 5D hax?
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We don't know how it works because it was only a confirmwd statement as something he was capable of. Still EE

Arceus created himself, and himself was going to be erased along with the universe in PLA. And himself is 1:1 real Arceus, meaning 5D

As accepted here, Arceus Plates are 5D because they can negate any hax that exists within the cosmology and stems from his plates. Which would also include the EE he possesses that they should also have as copies, albeit they won't be able to hax him
 
Sniper670 said:
We don't know how it works because it was only a confirmwd statement as something he was capable of. Still EE
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ok

Sniper670 said:
Arceus created himself, and himself was going to be erased along with the universe in PLA. And himself is 1:1 real Arceus, meaning 5D

As accepted here, Arceus Plates are 5D because they can negate any hax that exists within the cosmology and stems from his plates. Which would also include the EE he possesses that they should also have as copies, albeit they won't be able to hax him
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arceus was the one who made the plates in the first place, so why would his EE sterm from them to be able to be nulled?
 
Sniper670 said:
Rephrase I don't understand what you said
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in the thread you linked the proposal was for the plates to be able to null everything that stermed from them, but since the one who made them in the first place was Arceus, then his power didn't sterm from the plates, so they shouldn't be able to null his powers, EE included, since his didn't sterm from them
 
omegabronic said:
in the thread you linked the proposal was for the plates to be able to null everything that stermed from them, but since the one who made them in the first place was Arceus, then his power didn't sterm from the plates, so they shouldn't be able to null his powers, EE included, since his didn't sterm from them
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Arceus powers may not have come from his plates, but he used said powers to create 5D copies, so they're connected to plates.

He can EE the verse including copies . Nothing really changed here. He still transcends anything that came after him
 
Sniper670 said:
Arceus powers may not have come from his plates, but he used said powers to create 5D copies, so they're connected to plates.
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Connected maybe, but the thread was specific about that what the plates nulled were the things that sterm from them, so if they come from arceus, then his powers didn't and as such they wouldn't be able to null it

Sniper670 said:
He can EE the verse including copies . Nothing really changed here. He still transcends anything that came after him
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He can EE everything sure, but without knowing how he does alien x's thought based would be faster
 
omegabronic said:
Connected maybe, but the thread was specific about that what the plates nulled were the things that sterm from them, so if they come from arceus, then his powers didn't and as such they wouldn't be able to null it
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The plates null everything that comes out of it because everything besides the original Arceus is connected to it.

So his copies are, not the Original.
omegabronic said:
He can EE everything sure, but without knowing how he does alien x's thought based would be faster
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Faster doesn't equal more powerful.

Passive Power null > Thought based activation
 
Sniper670 said:
The plates null everything that comes out of it because everything besides the original Arceus is connected to it.

So his copies are, not the Original.

Faster doesn't equal more powerful.

Passive Power null > Thought based activation
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If Ben copied and turned into Arceus can't he just create the plates to ?
 
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