Alex's movement speed

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Don't know, it seems that it's pretty clear cut with what everyone thinks

Cause see, even if Alex wasn't timing those and was just running? What if the soldier's just missing cause it's a helicopter that's moving and recoil? If not that, it doesn't prove either that Alex is supersonic because see, Alex is not outrunning bullets.

He's dodging them. And again I refer to aim dodging. You say he wasn't timing the bullets but isn't that what his develop mind and reactions are for? Heck if he really was supersonic, the moment he gets seen by a chopper, he's going to be gone in seconds. Not the case in comics or games so... yeah.

 

[Asdtgh]

No, I'm not saying he's outrunning bullets, I'm trying to prove that Alex doesn't get hit all the time. You said that quite a long time ago. Plus, the reason why he kept being shot at by rocket launchers or anything is because their homing. He had some moments to be able to dodge them. But still, I might be able to calculate his speed if I can actually get the second game or even the first.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Which people here, me included, agree and that doesn't put him in supersonic speed.

That doesn't seem to be the case in most gameplay and cutscenes, seeing as said rockets either move on a straight line or not at all. Anyway to see this calc would be super, but I said before in Alex vs Cole that the rockets he 'dodged' were either missing and not homing. And again, that's not outrunning rockets either. The best he'll get is hypersonic reactions depending on the feat in question

I'll wait for once you get that calc. But just remember... Alex is not as godly as one thinks. There's still limits to him

 

[Asdtgh]

One, The rockets are completely homing. Why? Target lock on in prototype 2, you know, the blue laser. Same with prototype 1. Both rocket launchers are known to be fgm-148 javelin launcher or something, anti-tank homing missiles. Reason why Alex was able to dodge them isn't because they're missing. They could have hit Alex but no, the possible reason is he 'aim dodge' away from the missile at the moment it was a few inches away from him. So, he has his moments.

Two, like I said, I need both games, at least the second one, to be able to calculate his speed. What I could provide for now is Alex's speed before consuming the 6 evolveds. Let's say he became two times faster than the UH-60 Blackhawk after a year of biomass. That'll be, 162m/s, I believe. Another thing to add up to his speed is his mutation awards, God speed. Allows him to move 50% faster than his maximum speed. There, already 243m/s. And this is just excluding the 6 evolveds. Plus, James would have the same speed as what I calculated before he consumed Alex since James was able to keep up quite well against two blackhawks while being shot at and propelled by rockets. And Alex proved how slow James is, compared to his speed after the 6 evolveds.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Or they don't lock on because Alex can change his biological heat signature. Or they don't actually home in.

Jesus you can pull out power ups and gameplay powers out of nothing huh.

That's cool and all, but it still doesn't prove that Alex is faster than a chopper that frequently tags him in radios when he's found. So what if he absorbed evolved? He clearly focused on offensive powers there otherwise he would literally blitz James and be kicking him around instead of somehow missing and being kicked around.

Okay in the final battle Alex is faster than James. By how much margin? One extra Mach value? Slightly faster? Or maybe not at all considering all incarnations of James in all difficulties was beating Alex around. How about that? After all when Alex absorbed them he got more biomass. What's actual proof that Alex is faster than James aside from some measly gameplay mechanics?


The aim dodging the homing missiles would've been valid, but I have never seen a time where Alex literally dodges a missile at the last second. Nor were they homing. Even the gameplay mechanics conflicts with your argument. Otherwise I'm gonna have to use Kessler turns into lightning argument

 

[Asdtgh]

Wow, you sure enjoy using game mechanics. Alright, fine. If the rockets that are used by the military not homing, how come one of the helicopters' missiles was able to bend its direction at Alex without being homing? If it weren't homing, Alex would have a breeze with no one pushing him around as he dodge the non-homing missiles. There wouldn't be much of a huge difficulty spike. The only difficulty is dodging bullets, which doesn't do much damage, fighting enemies that can keep up with Alex such as the hunters chasing him down at the first game and would have difficulty shooting down a chopper with a non-homing missile. And since when has Alex ever change his biological temperature?

True, the choppers can tag him in radios when he's found. Does that mean they can keep up with him? No because they kept using gunfire and rockets.

Even if he was able to do something like that, it should have been implemented in both games and he should have been like that throughout the entire time. If you were to try on your Thermal Vision on yourself, you'll realise he still have a heat signature. Still not believing it? Alright. Shouldn't the old Blackwatch soldiers realised that, through their night vision goggles about the unusual soldier pouncing around without a heat signature?

And for the power ups, hey. You pulled off Cole's passive ability to recharge by hitting someone with his bolts and that's fiiine. But, when I bring up a passive ability from Prototype 2, you find that something so outrageous you had to shout out a religious person I look up to.

If it were to be 'game mechanics that allows Alex to be able to move faster', why would the creators even need to make his moving speed completely different to the other Evolved? How come he's able to have an orange streak like James while other Evolved's streaks are barely visible? How come he has a range of speed variety that he go to while other Evolved have a fixed one? Why would the creators even implement such a range? What would be the point for Alex to have such a range and not a fixed speed if they're gonna make all the evolved biomass just for his offensive powers?

And Alex don't even need to accelerate to his maximum speed just to do the same as Heller. Plus, if he kept 'missing and being kicked around', he wouldn't be able to put James down with ease and with just two attacks from his tendrils once Heller got back to action. And that happened quite close to the end of the game.

Other than that, if you still don't believe it, how come Alex was able to dash like Bleach: Soul Ressurection's Flight? Still not believing it? Alright. Why would there be tendrils by his legs? Is there some reason, such as able to push his body at a faster speed, or anything?

Alongside, shouldn't there be a lore of how powerful both could be? Besides, even you use the game mechanics to your own advantage. Example, like me, saying that Cole's ice soldier enemies are dumb enough to run towards you without any plan of attack and just shoot you by close range at you when they're supposed to be elite, compared to the military. Plus, you said that Alex wouldn't be able to beat Specialist Cross, completely harmless. Same for James. Heller should at least be half-dead after bringing Alex to his knees, who didn't seem to use his other powers such as his tendrils and armor and even persuaded the enemy to become the 'grandfather of the new world' for some reason. And, to be honest, the battle's completely PSI.

And if it was intended to be easy by the creators, then it truly proved that James would be a far better tactician and more experienced than Alex. Heller solo-ed a spiked brawler with just an assault rifle while still being human and Alex was just a bio scientist to begin with. Even Alex beat a Specialist who was able to kill one of Mercer's own kind by himself and it took more than just fast walkers and few Blackwatch soldiers to back him up and try to beat him. Even so, Heller was said to be nothing like Blackwatch material. Thus, with superior reaction speed and the continuous use of his shields or just jumping up and down, using his hammerfists divebomb or whipfist grab, Alex would have seemed easy to kill, 'fairly' without his other powers such as the Agile Armor, Ten

Plus, there's no limit to how much biomass they could have and they'll continue to be more powerful, stronger, faster and more durable than before.

And I don't think you should go for the arguement that Kessler could turn into lightning cause it doesn't prove much for him. Wasn't he able to flash step? And isn't Cole's lightning very close to mach 1.5 or something?

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

See here's the thing.

You're using GAMEPLAY MECHANICS to justify Alex dodging rockets and when I ask for him dodging homing rockets in a cutscene, you don't show it. It's an eye for an eye situation. You use gameplay mechanics, I explain why it doesn't work. You explain that I'm using gameplay mechanics, I explain above. All I'm asking for is a proof. And besides. Alex still gets hit by bulelts 75% of the time.

Considering he's a virus who can do anything it doesn't seem unlikely for him to do. Considering how he can also dodge scanners this way and soldiers designed to hunt down infected should have thermal vision alongside their weaponry.

Because he's running behind buildings, pretending ot be civilians, and it still doesn't mean much.

So we using gameplay mechanics again huh. Or maybe it's Alex's own body and themral imagery/sensing being much more accurate compared to the rest considering he's an evolved who adapted through anything. Even without this feat, it's still a silly thing to compare.

See the issue is? Even if I didn't pull out that, Cole still has enough power to keep on going. It's not silly to think that he could drain and shoot at the same time, same reason that Alex should be able to dual wield. But as a passive power please do explain. Because I made sure to only counter points that don't seem right. Cole's ability is at least referenced in game, but Alex's aim dodge? Not even referenced a single time. It seems believable, but there's a limit to how much one can claim it's being. Especially if rockets in game could move almost as fast as bullets or slower. And again, gameplay mechanics usage here. I'll refrain from using that then since I seem to share the same views as you

Again it could be blamed that the Evolved being consumed caused that. And maybe it showcases his intelligence and capabilities as a smart villain. Really, Prototype 2 isn't the most solid story or game as fun as it is. There are some issues with it in terms of feats. And define range of speed variety? Because all I see him is base moving speed and low supesonic.

Okay so he doesn't need to accelerate his max speed. That's nice. But it doesn't change the fact that even if he did nearly put down James, he was still losing most of the time.

You're comparing a series that has legit lightning timers, lasers around, and people actualy flying and making sonic booms. Aside from agumenting his jumps? Or reducing drift/air resistance? Don't compare Alex to Bleach please. They're two worlds apart. Bleach has shonen tendencies and is insane in terms of power and statistics. Prototype is trying to be serious and keeps their characters at a level that the miltiary can compete with (Not win or go toe to toe, just compete)

Game mechanics? I used the lore of them being elite military. What part of that is gameplay mechanics?

I didn't say Alex would beat Cross. If you listened to me I said the only reason why he survived is because of that baton cross and Alex was able to outwit him despite that attack. Cross only survived by luck. Have you listened to me at all? I'm just honestly curious. We've been going at this for debate for awhile and I'm more than sure everyone is sick of this debate.

That's saying the sky is blue. But it still shows James > Alex.

.... Would Alex who have consumed probably millions of people with equal amount of knowledge, be less experienced than James who only consumed thousands of people with the same quality of knowledge? Their base knowledge doesn't matter with everything that they ate! Their previous reactions and capabilities as human beings are rendered moot because everything else overwhelms those. They're superhuman and nothing about how they began before they got their powers changes anything.

It's self-sustainance. I won't bother arguing with that but if that was the case then Alex should've been unkillable with everything he did then. Or maybe the amount of biomass doesn't really do anything too big aside from boost to speed and strength if even after a year, he's only about twice as powerful.

Flash step by turning to lightning and considering newer conduits can turn into energy, yeah. Cole's electrioc attacks are around that level when I calced it. But he could still use actual lightning as a weapon.


At this point though I wanna ask... Who here wants to change Alex's speed back? Should it be supersonic or superhuman? I'm honestly tired of this debate and I'm going to have to move to google docs format to make things easier

 

[Antvasima]

Well, as I mentioned earlier, I think that COB seems to make sense.

 

[Asdtgh]

I never meant that Alex is someone close to Bleach but the way he moves around is somewhat like how the Bleach game looked like as the character fly. You want to see Alex dodge missiles? Fine. (35:38-35:41): https://youtu.be/kPGKSYUzrVE

Now tell me, if those don't home, what kind of rocket launchers do the U.S Military use that look exactly like the FGM-148 javelin but don't home?

So, what you're saying is that Cross, who had escaped a horde of Infected in an underground city, skilled enough to kill a similar runner to Mercer all by himself, is considered 'lucky'? Wow. Real logic right there. What's more real that you said is that Alex, who slaughtered a group of Blackwatch soldiers, who had went through similar viral outbreaks at least monthly, and fast walkers, can't beat Cross who was already on the floor, wounded, while Alex was standing casually like the battle was nothing to him. Can Cole do a Flash Step? No. Does he move faster than Kessler? No. Can he move as fast as lightning? How about the time he didn't react fast enough to the helicopter pole and got knocked off the car that he was on? Explain. And I would like to highlight what you just said, NEWER Conduits. Did you mean the Conduits AFTER the RFI blast? If so, that conflicts your argument that Cole, a 'newer' Conduit, can turn into lightning like how Delsin turn into smoke or neon. Yes, he uses electric attacks that are as fast as lightning only as a weapon, like you said. Proce anything that he can move faster, considering he can't even catch up to a car?

What I meant about the Ice Conduits and gameplay mechanic is, think about it. You said that Alex can't even hit Heller properly and kept on missing, does that mean that Alex would do the same when attempting to hit Heller with his Tendril arms?

So, you're saying James is stronger than Alex, even though all you find is James using his shields all the time and all of his other powers while Alex use only his Whipfist, Claws, Blade and Hammerfists? Like how James get to use devastators while Alex, in full control of the Infected, summon only flyers instead of Hydras, Brawlers, Juggernauts into the arena? Like how Alex seemingly cheer positively for Heller such as, "I'm using the whip! Be more...creative." "Copycat." "Faster, Heller, Faster!" "You should have been quicker." "Want me to slow down? I can slow down if you want." "Come on, James. Do it for Maya." "Evolve, move on, try something else!", motviating him to keep up while James takes in all the compliments and always talk crap on Mercer? Sure, really not suspicious.

Yeah, the 8 Evolved consumed cause him to be able to have his legs turn into tendrils. But to do what? Give him the disadvantage? If that's so, what's the ENTIRE reason for Radical Entertainment to regularly involve the word, 'Evolve' into the entire series?

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

@Asd

Oh good. You confused me there. I would've called you out for comparing those two and making feats out of that if you were. But regardless Shinigamis have more flight and reiatsu usage. Alex on the other glides with blood and uses air dashes

He wasn't even moving his body as he jumped. A thermal rocket that's supposed to lock on and home in on targets, somehow missed him when he wasn't even moving his body. Either Blackwatch is a whole new level of dumbness, or that's not a true homing rocket, or Alex can change his body heat signature. But either way? He is not dodging a hypersonic rocket. Blackwatch trooper might have even locked on the explosive building that Alex was heading towards. Ever thought about that? That they know Alex can take on small explosions but if they use a big explosion they might be able to beat him? It's what Cole does. Shooting towards where an enemy is coming.

Video game rocket launchers that have video game creators who don't understand the term homing. This isn't the first time I've seen Javelin Rocket launchers in game miss when they're supposed to hit.

Cross, was lucky against Mercer since he's actuall smart enough to think. Runners that Alex was based off of? Probably beast like. Maybe they're capable of some form of thought and cooperation but they don't adapt like Alex do they? You're twisting my words and making all the wrong assumptions... Don't assume. Cross is a skilled member of Blackwatch, but Blackwatch troops will get slaughtered by Alex as if they were nothing. Cross is at least lucky with his weapon and skills, and that at least gives him a fighting chance against Alex.

Cole can't do a flash step, but surprise surprise, he can keep up with someone that can. That alone says enough. There has been successful debates about Character A who can deal with Character B despite being so much slower because of the abilities they posses.Okay so he got hit by a helicopter blade when it was right in front of his face, while trying to steady himself on a car that he was trying to chase down. Got taken by surprise, even though he keeps on reacting to rockets and bullets later with shockwaves and polarity walls.

When did I say Cole can become lightning? I said Kessler can. Cole can. My my my, you seem to be developing a habit of twisting words and misunderstanding a lot of things.

It's not about proving Cole can move faster. Because even if he couldn't, Alex is not going to dodge lightning. Cole still has the reactions to keep track of Alex, and all he has to do is release a surge of electricity. And sides, it's the movement of arms that goes in tandem with that supersonic calc.

Okay that's a lot more clearer (I mean that sincerely). Maybe considernig James seems to be > Alex. But even if he could tag James with that I doubt it would do enough damage and maybe that's why he wants to avoid it. Avoid using something that would let James consume. To get closer. It's like using a whipfist against a void.

What are you even saying again... James is stronger than Alex by WoG. And those devastators doesn't seem to matter if James can keep interrupting Alex again and again. And I wouldn't say those are compliments considering he's trying to murder you and is basically mocking you. That's Alex's arrogance. The villain looking down on others who aren't threatening to him. But that doesn't automatically mean Alex >>> James, considering that arrogant proud characters have been taken down by the people they mock. That's taunting.

Maybe those Evolved were like those critical mass that allows one to use devastators. Or amplify oneself greatly. You know. Extra biomass, extra power, extra speed. To evolve further by consuming others? Does that ring a bell to you?

Nothing you have said has shown that Alex can legitimately dodge homing rockets. I don't know where we're heading with this but it's still clear

> Cross is better than most Blackwatch troops and can at least last againsT Alex due to luck, skill and experience

> Alex dodging rockets/bullets gets cleared up again

> James is stronger than Alex by WoG and feats

> Cole may not be supersonic in movement speed but he's gonna beat Alex


@Ants Thank you for siding with me. I think even LordAizenSama is agreeing too.

 

[Asdtgh]

@ShadowFrost1 So, you're saying Cole can keep up with someone, known as Kessler or even the Reaper Conduits, who can flash step? People that are being mind controlled by Sasha and against Kessler who would lose his stamina so quickly?

And Critical Mass, that's what I'm saying. Allows him to be stronger,faster, more better or maybe even push his limits of skills and other things to capabilities far greater. Did Alex ever use his Devastators, all he used is his Whipfist, Hammerfist, a little bit of his Claws and Blade. Using some of his powers to create spikes with his Claws and use his Hive Mind to only control Flyers.

And like you said, Alex is smart. However, why did he have to be so calm all the time? He would have known that Heller would be beyond his league since he would know how many Infected and Evolved he consumed, thanks to his Hive Mind. He would have just slaughtered Dana and infect Maya to finally create 'the mother of the new world' sooner before confronting James, along with his Evolved. But why, why would he not? Why didn't he do such things? Is he planning on something? More importantly, if James is more powerful than Mercer, how come James doesn't get glowing eyes, able to dualwield, have his legs and arms and back to be covered in tendrils? And don't say the same thing from the other debate we did. Explain, I don't know what would come into your mind.

James>Alex by feats and WoG?(actually, what is that? I started social media a few months ago) You sure James was able to beat Alex by feats, considering Alex could have brought down the entire Blackwatch and Infected all by his own, consumed millions, along with hundreds of Hunters while James consumed thousands and less than fifty Evolved who did all his work to hunt by granting him biomass of thousands to put him up to a level of evolution in a few days? Considering Alex could have beaten James to death with around 7 hits with his Tendrils since he put him down by 2?

The only feat that would be valid for him being >Alex is killing a Spiked Brawler with an assault rifle and killing a Brawler upclose with a Mil Tech Knife. But, how about Alex being able to escape the U.S governments hands as human while being New York's Number 1 criminal?

Speaking of mind, twisting words and other things is because I'm lazy. And it's actually quite fun upon others.

You're saying Cole would be surprised for that long? It's more than a second, should be enough time for him to react, since he suppose to be supersonic, to something like that even after being 'surprised'. I don't think that, with the car driving, the helicopter is supersonic. Plus, RPGs Macgrath usually go up against is around subsonic+ since they're mainly RPG-7s. And, you mean after being shot by bullets, he would react to it? The only feat I find valid is him using the Precision Bolt, able to find bullets slow.

The way he dodges the bullets is like Mercer, only backflipping or sideflipping, I don't know, aim dodging? Also, could you show me a few comic pages of Cole using his shockwave?

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Referring me to my other username? Curiouser and curiouser

That's where reactions and arms come in. And as long as one can teleport one can teleport. They're only commanded to the point that they follow Sasha's orders. Sure they spit tar time to time but they still move around with their abilities. Kessler can still fight well despite being fatigued. It's not as if Cole is rendered helpless when Kessler is going zippity doo around and around. He can still dodge and react to Kessler.

Right but see, even with that, there's still a limit to his ability. Otherwise Alex should've been infinitely stronger and untouchable. The best they do is give health and critical mass for devastators and durability. Alex can only get stronger if he consumses and evolves, and he takes awhile to evolve and adapt. Ask that to the game developers of the game on why those aren't included. It might be weird and all but again, it's not as if Alex had an excuse to hold back. James was a pain in the ass and he wanted to dispose of him

Because he's a one dimensional villain created in Prototype 2 and he wanted James' daughter to become the Queen of the New World. Alex took a massive drop in terms of planning compared to Prototype 1, aka he's a bad character now, but that doesn't change things. So what if he's planning on something? He still lost. There are no evidence that he lost on purpose and this is like arguing that Kessler was planning to lose against Cole. These two masterminds have no intention to just throw their lives away for nothing. Sure they want to 'save' the world, much more different in Alex's case but Alex still lost to James. And WoG claims that James > Alex. That alone is enough. Why shouldn't I say the same thing? Because it's wrong for you? Because you don't like it? So what if James doesn't have glowing eyes, it's a freaking visual effect. He can probably do that if he cared, but instead of doing that focused on fighting. It's made to make Alex look more imposing. That's all. Visual effects and making villains badasses. Or I guess maybe villains are supposed to look like regular guys you can beat up.

You don't think James can do the same? You're comparing quantity of ants as if they matter. They consumed enough infected to be a threat to the city and humanity, and James was able to defeat Alex. That alone is enough. Are these also using gameplay mechanics or assumptions? I sure would like to know. Even if Alex consumed more, think about it this way. He also created numerous evolved that could be more powerful and smarter than most. And James consumed a lot of those fellows. So, a billion of 1s, versus thousands of 1,000,000

Before he got killed in a train station? It's not escaping if you escaped for the first few hours because of paranoia and you get killed in the train station without being able to do anything

Oh my how sadistic. Then again I guess a lot of people do that.

And at so close he was able to deflect a rocket. And dodges rockets. Reacts to bullets by raising shields. Keeps up with teleporters. Maybe you heard of the word called outlier? A smart player can quickly raise a polarity wall instantly, which is exactly how fast you put it up. And if you do it right you can activate it before the bullets rain on you.

Fair enough, so that won't make his movement speed supersonic. But his arm raising? Still in tandem with that calc I did. I would if I can find, in the similar vein as you finding more cutscenes of Alex legitimately dodging homing rockets.


You're getting nowhere with this ya know. I wonder if you started to ask help from other sites yet like you did in youtube after calling me a troll?

 

[Asdtgh]

Hey, you just gave away your name as ShadowFrost1 in youtube like it's nothing too important. Plus, you even change every image to the same picture on every account you have e.g Deviantart, Vs Battle Wiki and so on.

Aren't you a troll? You even debate on Mercer with Garou as if it's something to joke about. I mean seriously though! Garou!! The guy who learns from Masters of Martial Arts and surpass them. A human who learns how to overcome limits that not many normal humans could do without mechanical, scientific or other methods. Someone who can tackle casual Saitama for a while and you're comparing him to Mercer, a guy who once was like the old Hulk video game Radical Entertainment created. Are you kidding me?

Kessler can continue to fight when fatigued? Like how he use too much of his power and be in a vulnerable state?

Alex would not be able to exceed his limits in time? So, he's unable to evolve fast enough like how Heller was able to do, get an evolution point or new power after doing a little animation that takes not more than 6 seconds? Unable to become more powerful in time, despite being able to unlock his claws, his first power, in a matter of seconds? Plus, he had to consume little by little of biomass from weakened opponents during the previous time to get his strength and speed up, along with his durability and health. Does consuming 8 evolved at one go seem little?

Wasn't he drained during the fight, right? Does that EVER mean James is stronger, faster, more durable and powerful than Alex? Can James be able to have glowing eyes? Can James consume 8 Evolved whole and in one go?

One can teleport so, one can teleport. Like how Cole trys to keep up with Nix who, in the early cutscenes, teleported around him over and over and over and then finally was about to punch Cole in the face? Like how he was able to 'react and dodge' the bullet done by Zeke in the evil path? And, do you honestly think that those Conduit Reapers would be told by Sasha to kill off past Kessler? Even the Reaper Conduits leave a slow trail, leading to the location that they teleported to.

And you think low-life druggies would be skillful enough to always use their fast speed to combat against Cole? They're like Kessler, having to charge up their power while staying at one point to propel it at Cole. And that's basically what they usually do. They only have AK-47s and their powers and that is to charge up for a few seconds in the same position to toss a shockwave at Cole. But, this conversation of the Reapers doesn't matter anymore since they're actually seen teleporting instead of flash-stepping.

So, what you meant is that Alex is able to recruit a thousand of Evolved, which are suppose to be high ranked Blackwatch soldiers and Gentek scientists, in around two months? That's seemingly impressive, to find people worthy enough to be trusted and have such power in such a matter of time.

True, like you said. James would consume those thousands of Evolved of 1000000 people each in days or weeks or months, I don't know, considering that Heller had to mostly wear down/tear off the biomass from every strong opponent he faced just to consume the little biomass left while Alex, who should have brought every Evolved left on NYZ which should be more than just at least 50 but all I see is 8 Evolved, consumed those Evolved whole but, still 'got defeated'?

James able to do the same? Like able to stop the entire army of Infected and Blackwatch soldiers in one go? Oh right, he could do that mainly with Alex's biomass.

Ooooohhhh, so that's visual effect, despite the fact that Mercer has NEVER proven to be able to do something like that before that point of time. And hey, is it really visual effect when he did it during a cutscene? Think about it. Has any of the Evolved proven to be able to make their eyes glow? The only thing that they're unique of such 'visual effect' is that they can change the colour of the Blackwatch helmet and blue light equipment but, never prove having red or even orange eyes. Plus, after losing probably all of the Evolved biomass and some of his arms, his legs got back to normal, his back isn't overflowed with tendrils and he lost his glowing eyes. Why did he need to stop letting his eyes glow or his back infested with the tendrils? But, fine. I'll let you run free with your weird impressions of people having red eyes, resulting to their incredible power.

Oh wow, a smart player can have the instant reaction to pull out his polarity wall? And dodging rockets? Like the way he tried to get up and run away from two rockets that were blindly shot by the chopper at nowhere near Cole?

It's not sadism when someone never brought up, or never even intended to, of having someone to suffer, is it? It's just plain being lazy.honestly

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Fair enough. Forgot I did that. It's been awhile.

You see I initially started off with Base Garou. The one who's at best supersonic and arguably city level at his weakest. The funny thing about that you see? Alex could actually go toe to toe with him at that state. Of course if I pit the strongest form Garou had then naturally it's a stomp. But hey, it's not as if I'm arguing Alex can beat opponents that he would be stomped by. Then add in the fact that these two characters have arguably similar motives, desires, abilities, with all the them against the world crap and the capacity to become absurdly broken if given time and chances. Oh and did I mention it's for entertainment value? But I guess it's mean of me to give Alex the respect he deserves huh. And what comparison is the old hulk video game? That has no relevance to power levels whatsoever.

Even at his old man state he could mess around with Cole. He just need short breaks time to time. But arguably it's a messy topic to deal with. Point is, Cole still reacted to Kessler even when he's going zippity doo around and around.

Yup~! Otherwise... Alex would've been a god from the start you see. Then again I guess you can chalk that up to another PIS that has no relevance in this battle. Point is, the only thing James regain by consuming weakened opponents is his biomass and as you said vitality. Strength and speed are arguable considering they already have such high stats.Point is, if Alex can consume that amount of enemies why isn't he just taking out everything? Why is he having difficlty taking over a city? Why did he lose to James? There are so many questions that invalidate the credibility of his power. And did that

That's a good point. But in the case that Alex was absurdly stronger or faster than James could ever be, how could he possibly get drained? In that case it simply leads to the statement that from the get go James was better than him.

GLOWING EYES - Wow! Visual effects must mean power all the time right? It's not because I'm a villain or something right?

Consume 8 Evolved because I took them by surprise - I betcha I'm so much stronger because I can ambush others right?

Being able to ambush someone and having cool visual effects doesn't mean shit. It's called character design. In theory James should be able to make his eyes glow with the manipulation of rods and cones inside one's retina. All it takes is an application of electrical impulses via action potential which goes along with how his Occipital and Frontal Lobes are housing his Web of Intrigue. There's nothing preventing him from doing it.

That is pure teleportation and Nix actually has a farther reach than the Reaper conduits could ever have. She actively escapes and guess what? Alex is not as fast as a teleporter. Surprise.

Yup. Because Zeke blitzed Cole right? It's not because Evil Cole is hesitant about killing his best friend right? It's not as if all the hours of dodging rockets, reflecting rockets, raising shields have any relevance to this point on right? Because I'm as soulless and not considering whether I should kill my best friend that have always helped me right. RIGHT?

Considering Sasha is a psycopathic bitch why wouldn't she? The Reapers are insane too. And even with that argument, Cole was at least able to react to them. Besides, Cole wields the power of lightning on his hands and can keep track of drones in the sky from a great distance. The feats of reacting to bullets and rockets outweigh minor fears.

I don't even understand anymore what you're arguing on this point. The disparacy and gap between our responses makes this so painful and hard to debate, and I'm sure it's the same for you. You mind just giving up? No? Ah shame

I'm more than sure that this isn't even my argument. Does the term hivemind show up? Does the term "Bigger fish" make sense? Because even if someone is given a power like Alex, they'll know they can't do anything against Alex and the moment they try to uprise against Alex they would die. Then again I don't even know anymore. I already argued that the eight evolved could've been his best and strongest allies there.

I'm just going to point you up there. It's not as if James was consuming Alex's biomass till the end since he was just cutting him off piece by piece anyway.

Yeah about the same reasoning as why Alex can 'dodge rockets' by hopping when the rockets aren't even on screen. You mean the rockets he still dodged despite being groggy and dazed?

Your sadism sentence doesn't even make sense. What are you trying to say? I'm honestly curious.


Seriously, if you wanna redo Cole vs Alex start it off at that topic. Not at a freaking thread like this talking about Alex's speed, only to completely shift the topic into something that's almost off topic. We're not even discussing his speed anymore. Someone lock this thread so we can move back to Cole vs Alex please?

 

[Asdtgh]

You forgot to finish your sentence from around paragraph 3. You ended off with "And did that"

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Ah my bad on that. Just noticed.

That said I think it leads up to the next paragraph. Probably. Forgot what it's supposed to be.

And actually, can we end the debate now? As I said what I was against was hypersonic Alex, not supersonic. I argue that he's FTE to Supersonic, not Supersonic to Hypersonic. I'm really not feeling it with this debate anymore and I'm sure we can find a better use of time considering we've gone off topic. How's that? Of course if you wanna keep going I'll keep going, even if I rather not

 

[Asdtgh]

Nah, I'm still going to prove that Alex can beat Cole. But, of course I'll end this debate of his speed. Not his battle with Cole. So, what you mean is he's between subsonic and supersonic? Plus, you're the one bringing up Cole into this topic. I'l continue this in the other debate.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Well that's at least one thing settled. I rather not get off topic any further than this you see. And that's something I'm believing now at least. That's at least the furthest I can believe Alex to be as fast as

I used him for comparison if anything via sonic boom but whatever

 

[Asdtgh]

And again, you left your sentence undone.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

As he ca

Sleep deprivation is not fun at all

Anyway left my message on the separate thread. Gonna sleep, read the short extra paragraph first before my argument. I sincerely mean the second one

 

[Antvasima]

So, if you two are done, should I lock this topic?

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

That would be appreciated.

 

[Promestein]

I'll close this.