Alex Mercer vs Undertale

[Kiryu2012]

Alex Mercer versus all the monsters of Undertale, starting from the weakest and progressing up to the strongest.

Speed equalized in all battles.

In-character.

Alex can use all his powers and can absorb the biomass of each one of the monsters he fights, allowing him to use their powers.

The top tiers of Undertale(Asriel, Omega Flowey, Undying Undyne, etc.) are excluded, as well as Frisk and Chara.

Fight to the death in all battles.

 

[Asdtgh]

Why? Wouldn't that be a stomp? Most of the monsters that are not top tier are the same level as Alex EACH. Can we at least do one by one?

 

[Asdtgh]

Of course, they would win if they all gang up on him.

 

[Kiryu2012]

Why? Wouldn't that be a stomp? Most of the monsters that are not top tier are the same level as Alex EACH. Can we at least do one by one?

This is one by one; Alex will face off against one monster at a time, from the weakest to the strongest.

 

[Asdtgh]

Like in the game, frisk fights with froggit then progress on?

 

[Kiryu2012]

Like in the game, frisk fights with froggit then progress on?

Pretty much, yes.

 

[Asdtgh]

Ok. Considering that the genocide run usually gets Frisk stronger by fighting weak enemies first then stronger ones, Alex may do the same with similar speed and with city level, he'll probably demolish all the weaker ones that are below city level, he could consume them to gain biomass and another way to absorb DETERMINATION which would get him stronger, more powerful like Frisk. Toriel will get her guard down and Alex easily kills her and so on.

Basically, he's going to be just like Genocide Frisk because even though they're all friendly monsters if you MERCY them and Alex despises humans, I think he won't go easy on those specific monsters who would kill humans for their freedom and he's basically a humanoid, unless you're saying that they're already free from the underground.

So, I think he'll win.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Are you saying he gains whatever he wins from the weakest enemy? Because if so he's going to win like Frisk did yeah. Hell Chara may even offer a helping hand. Well in reality I think he's actually gonna bond with the monsters if it's in character and would find a way to break the barrier. And then Alex Mercer would save everyone that's a monster! Hooray for good end!

 

[Asdtgh]

Buuuuttt, he is not a child, he may have a very rough childhood which could get him less merciful than Frisk and throughout more than a year, he has been killing people. I really don't see him going through the Pacifist route. Plus, even though he is not human, he might end up like those other monsters that was "abandoned" if he absorb DETERMINATION or even look worse. But, he still can shift his own body back to humanoid like how Greene can pull out a giant monster from her own body for her to control.

 

[Asdtgh]

I don't know.

 

[DarkWraths]

Undertale, a game where all monsters (except for Undyne The Undying) from the underground that are so weak against against humans with killing intent that they get one-shotted by a regular child with killing intent...

Why is this battle created? Alex Mercer stomps, as he's a superhuman virus with tons of killing intent.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Sans might do Sans-ey stuff.

 

[DarkWraths]

Sans might do Sans-ey stuff.

Besides having time manipulation powers, he got one-shotted by a regular child with killing intent, his durability feat doesn't seem that impressive to me.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yeah, his durability sucks, but that doesn't stop him from using KR and soul-gravity manipulation along with his teleportation to do some serious stuff to Alex. But quick question. How many people did Alex kill?

 

[A_Sword_Dancer]

Sans might do Sans-ey stuff.

Besides having time manipulation powers, he got one-shotted by a regular child with killing intent, his durability feat doesn't seem that impressive to me.

Careful now, that undertale downplay talk is dangerous around here. We've already had waaaay too many threads about this topic before, I suggest you don't say stuff like 'frisk/chara are just regular kids' and try to downplay like that.

 

[DarkWraths]

Yeah, his durability sucks, but that doesn't stop him from using KR and soul-gravity manipulation along with his teleportation to do some serious stuff to Alex. But quick question. How many people did Alex kill?

Not sure Soul Manipulation would do anything to Mercer since Alex Mercer is a sentient virus (in real life, scientists is still debating on whenever or not viruses count as living or not) so I doubt Mercer would have any soul. For how many people Mercer killed... If we're counting that one [Prototype] cutscene where it shown the news about how many people Mercer killed and absorbed (virtually anyone Mercer killed, he absorbed to gain their shape and memories) it would be 2 million people (they're probably all Blackwatch soldiers), for [Prototype2] who the heck knows how many people Mercer killed after the 2-3 year timeskip, his killing intent is insane

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

In that case, KR should hit him like a truck. Or in this case, a collapsing multiverse, considering he killed more than Chara.

 

[DarkWraths]

Besides having time manipulation powers, he got one-shotted by a regular child with killing intent, his durability feat doesn't seem that impressive to me.
Careful now, that undertale downplay talk is dangerous around here. We've already had waaaay too many threads about this topic before, I suggest you don't say stuff like 'frisk/chara are just regular kids' and try to downplay like that.

I would probably get flamed by hardcore undertale fans, but really frisk's time reload and chara's powers wasn't stated to be beyond the influence of the monster underground, the only evidence I got is that chara destroyed the world (I heard someone that it was heavily implied to be the monster world rather than the human world or the planet or "the universe" unless I have evidence otherwise.

Plus I'm not downplaying them that much, I'm only going going by their combat feats (they're still basically featless with a few exceptions).

 

[DarkWraths]

In that case, KR should hit him like a truck. Or in this case, a collapsing multiverse, considering he killed more than Chara.

What does Karmic Retribution do? All get from it is some kind of "poison".

 

[A_Sword_Dancer]

I would probably get flamed by hardcore undertale fans, but really frisk's time reload and chara's powers destroying powers wasn't stated to be beyond the influence of the monster underground, unless I have evidence otherwise.

Plus I'm not downplaying them that much, I'm only going going by their combat feats (they're still basically featless with a few exceptions).

Check their pages. It's a very hot and common topic around here. The god tiers are multiversal with many well supported feats.

 

[Asdtgh]

Damn dood, somehow I knew this would happen.

 

[A_Sword_Dancer]

In that case, KR should hit him like a truck. Or in this case, a collapsing multiverse, considering he killed more than Chara.

What does Karmic Retribution do? All get from it is some kind of "poison".

Karmic Retribution (KR) is the damage over time effect that gets applied on chara whenever they take a hit from one of sans attacks. The initial attack always does 1 damage (though it bypasses invulnerability frames so it effectively drains your hp down fast for as long as you are in contact with an attack) but theres also a huge damage over time effect (KR) whose power is directly related to how many beings you have killed (there is not any distiction for 'justified killing or not', killing alone is what causes the power of KR to increase).

It's extremely strong. The KR from a single attack by sans is able to quickly chunk down chara who is rated to have multiversal durability during that battle, and the number of beings that chara had killed in game up to that point is an exact known number that is not very large in the scheme of things. It's generally accepted that if you have killed more than a small handful of beings KR will instantly kill you on contact even if you are a multiversal+ durability.

 

[DarkWraths]

What does Karmic Retribution do? All get from it is some kind of "poison".
Karmic Retribution (KR) is the damage over time effect that gets applied on chara whenever they take a hit from one of sans attacks. The initial attack always does 1 damage (though it bypasses invulnerability frames so it effectively drains your hp down fast for as long as you are in contact with an attack) but theres also a huge damage over time effect (KR) whose power is directly related to how many beings you have killed (there is not any distiction for 'justified killing or not', killing alone is what causes the power of KR to increase).

It's extremely strong. The KR from a single attack by sans is able to quickly chunk down chara who is rated to have multiversal durability during that battle, and the number of beings that chara had killed in game up to that point is an exact known number that is not very large in the scheme of things. It's generally accepted that if you have killed more than a small handful of beings KR will instantly kill you on contact even if you are a multiversal+ durability.

Okay so I read some of the character's stats in this site and... Frisk and Chara is Multiversal level? I didn't know they are that level, most of the other sites I went to depict them as street-level (it's on the monster world which is an underground place), some people in most other sites even said that the stronger tiers like Sans, Omega Flowey, Chara were only planetary level at best (maybe even Galaxy level?)

If KR can do that to people then the best Alex can do to win is take them down one by one, from weakest to highest.

 

[A_Sword_Dancer]

Yep. The 'god tiers' of undertale are very very very strong. Any one of them would wipe the floor with most characters who aren't literal dieties at a minimum.

 

[DarkWraths]

Yep. The 'god tiers' of undertale are very very very strong. Any one of them would wipe the floor with most characters who aren't literal dieties at a minimum.

If so then why did many other sites shown many people downplaying them into street level at worst?

 

[Talonmask]

If so then why did many other sites shown many people "downplaying" them into street level at worst?

It seems like you are suggesting our information is incorrect, despite the feats clearly being there for you to look at.

 

[DarkWraths]

If so then why did many other sites shown many people "downplaying" them into street level at worst?

It seems like you are suggesting our information is incorrect, despite the feats clearly being there for you to look at.

Did I? Oh, accidentally added that brackets, just ignore that.

Anyways I'm not trying to suggest that information is incorrect, I'm trying to ask a question that I want someone to answer, why are undertale characters (especially chara and frisk) are downplayed to street level at worst with some hax?

 

[Talonmask]

While I don't completely understand why, I could probably say that it would be the fact of it being a game that has feats that can be vague or downplayed for the fact that Frisk is a human, despite Undertale Humans =/= Normal/Real life Humans, much like how Street Fighter has feats in Tier 7 (Akuma destroying a small island), despite supposedly being regular humans.

 

[DarkWraths]

While I don't completely understand why, I could probably say that it would be the fact of it being a game that has feats that can be vague or downplayed for the fact that Frisk is a human, despite Undertale Humans =/= Normal/Real life Humans, much like how Street Fighter has feats in Tier 7 (Akuma destroying a small island), despite supposedly being regular humans.

It was the fact that they were humans which is why they were downplayed? Okay, fictional humans are always different than normal/real life humans since they have feats that puts them at or even above peak human level (Jojo's bizarre adventure is one of the many examples).

Okay, well I concede this debate (if I haven't already) and that only Mercer can win from weakest to highest 1v1, I mostly debate for fun (and to learn how people use the characters in a VS debate) so I hope there aren't any hardcore undertale fans that would flame me, because I don't want to get roasted or even burnt to ash.

 

[A_Sword_Dancer]

It's fine, you didn't include the god tiers in your matchup anyways so its not impossible out of hand for your boy to take on the fodder enemies - though some of the boss monsters you neglected to mention might still give you trouble.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Street level at worst is still an absolutely hilarious assumption when even without looking into anything and giving into the most absurd downplay, Chara, Flowey, and Asriel all have feats that are blatantly universal+ at worst.

 

[DarkWraths]

Street level at worst is still an absolutely hilarious assumption when even without looking into anything and giving into the most absurd downplay, Chara, Flowey, and Asriel all have feats that are blatantly universal+ at worst.

I was merely echoing what other people said on other sites about chara and frisk until I learnt they're multiversals

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I was merely echoing what other people said on other sites about chara and frisk until I learnt they're multiversals

Oh I'm by no means talking about you, friend.

I'm talking about the people who stand by street level Chara.

 

[Asdtgh]

Look, look, look. Can we all say that Alex can beat at least the ones below city level and he dies from anyone above it? I mean, he could even be able to continue on at best until Sans, considering the skeleton, in actual lore, can defeat Frisk/Chara on and on and on which makes them having to respawn over and over and over. Why? He might be able to consume the monsters and their amount of DETERMINATION. However, he doesn't have the power to respawn anyway. This may have gone off too long. Let's just leave it as what I said.

 

[DarkWraths]

Okay, I'm not trying to start an argument or debate, but I've done a bit of research on Sans and it said that his Karmic Retribution is a poison effect that chips away at a being's soul with it's potency depending on how many living beings that one being killed, but Alex Mercer is a Sentient Virus (he also never was human in the first place since he was "born" in a dead man's body called Alexander J. Mercer, the original human Alex Mercer) and scientists in real life is still questioning whenever or not a virus even counts as living or some kind of cellular thing that hijacks cells, and since Mercer theoretically has no soul since he's a sentient virus, would Sans' KR have no effect on him or would it still affect him like it would affect a being with soul?

 

[Aparajita]

Viruses don't have Souls to be affected by KR is my guess.

 

[Talonmask]

KR is reliant on how much the target has killed, not if they have a SOUL or not, even then, a SOUL in Undertale is the culmination of your entire being, and isn't strictly spiritual.

If KR was 100% reliant on the opponent having a soul, Sans would have done nothing to Flowey because he doesn't have one.

 

[A_Sword_Dancer]

Flowey had no soul and sans killed him many times.

 

[DarkWraths]

Okay, guess the only characters I can think of that can beat the Undertale verse are those of Pre-Retcon Beyonder level.

 

[A_Sword_Dancer]

There are plenty of people who stand a chance, you just have to be at a similar or higher tier than the top undertale characters, which is 2-A+.