Alela Stardust vs King Raúl — Battle for Strongest 5-B

[VeneficaAuthor]

Battle for the current strongest 5-B.

• Speed is equalized
• Fight takes place on an empty, indestructible planet
• Both Start 100 meters away from each other
• Full Power Raúl (5-B) is used, Tempest Deity Alela (5-B) is used
• SBA for everything else

VOTING

Spectral: 0

Tempest: 5

Incon: 1

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

So I'll just quickly answer the Aura thing. Lord Vallum's Aura killed people from genuine fear. People's souls straight up gave out. Rancour's is said to be FAR more overwhelming than his servants, and Raúl looked that guy in the face and laughed at him.

For the Dominion part, I may have forgotten to add but it has incredibly OP subjective reality and Paralysis Inducement, Status Effect Inducement and again, Void Manip, which will just flood you with it alongside a Paralysis that is comparable to having every portion of your being entirely broken into innumerable pieces, and then and only then, crippled.

Empathic Manip shouldn't be a problem, Raúl's mind is INCREDIBLY sharp (high into Extraordinary Genius), not to mention, his Spectral Energy would automatically purify any effects put onto him, including mind, body or soul based attacks, so breaking his mind would be something that would be over as soon as it started, if it even could given his insane willpower.

To start off I wanna clarify about all this from the strongest thread. Yeah this is for sure an impressive feat of fear resistance, but it's just that, 'fear resistance' on its face. The Tempest Aura is so much more than that though. It strikes with the fear of being within the presence of a transcendent god and distorts reality itself, turning it into a statically glitching state while also overwhelming them with a divine pressure which outright crushes will. Part of the auras effects is that it takes high willpower enemies and just convinces them to off themselves instead, while at the same time changing their personalities in the process to match. Its effects are still present even if you manage to block her out with spatial manip or transfer yourself/her to a pocket dimension as long as you’ve laid eyes on her. Being actually engulfed by the aura is the real problem though, since then the effects are not just multiplied in speed and potency but it also just crushes you with the pressure directly alongside Electrojutsu properties, destroying at a macro-quantum level with just that alone. So ‘insane willpower’ is something directly countered here and even if it doesn’t work at first, tempest soul can force the effect to multiply for a limited time, and at that point it’s likely to be overcome (especially considering it has been multiplied to overcome negation effects before, and that’s something else you mentioned Raul could possibly do). Furthermore, having a sharp mind doesn’t really matter either. Kyofu himself is a fighting and scientific genius who modified Ultima, a machine capable of analyzing space-time at a range beyond the observable universe, as well as upgrading Grender Supervoltix, a battle machine which was already practically perfected by decades of work from an entire race of science genius’ (this effectively puts his brain on the level of a planets worth of genius individuals) and her aura not only negs Ultima but also Kyofu himself despite him having his own tempest aura. He is literally quoted in the story saying “so help me god, that aura will NOT touch me” because he is well aware of just how screwed he would be if it did. Tbh even just looking at her kinda does that anyway even though he resists it

Normally that Dominion part would screw Alela over, but Tempest Soul has that covered for her. Alela just resists void stuff (including antimatter stuff used to erase people and things from existence with just the smallest touch) but attempting to ‘flood’ her with it won’t work so well either. Tempest soul can reality warp chaotic based stuff into extra stamina and void manip falls under that umbrella and is something he has warped numerous times. Alela can also reactive evolve to gain resistances to certain powerful stuff, so those other effects should be covered if they threaten to instantly kill her thanks to her clairvoyance. Tempest soul is also basically immune to paralysis anyway even without evolving as it resisted the soul-based paralysis of the pocket realm Dorstru forced her into, which was made from even greater voids than the ones she resisted including a general power nulling aura, yet tempest soul and alela fought and the ultrabolts devoured it in seconds all the same


As for the battle itself (if he’s still able to survive past the tempest aura at all), it should be noted before anything that any attempt to effect her with a soul based move is gonna be met by:

• Tempest Retribution: This occurs only if someone attempts to attack the Tempest Soul directly. As a result, the Tempest Soul commits retribution on those who dare attempt to stop it. To do so, transfers all attempts towards it directly back into the enemy soul, then unleashes horrible paralysis over said soul, then striking them down with 100 time stronger than Alela Ultravolt attacks with the intent being to erase the enemy body and soul altogether. This isn't its only method of retribution, but it is usually the first thing it will try.

Considering he has a ton of those, every time he attacks her with those it’ll be another tempest retribution attack, which basically spawns right on top of him and would be nearly impossible to dodge without any sort of very high instinctive action. Precognition doesn’t really help since the tempest aura just blocks that outright seeing as Kyofu’s ability to view the 100% certain future is negged just by Alela having it active. There’s a super brief window of time where he could possibly react though, but considering tempest soul has thousands of times faster reaction speed than Alela, that seems pretty far fetched

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

To start off I wanna clarify about all this from the strongest thread. Yeah this is for sure an impressive feat of fear resistance, but it's just that, 'fear resistance' on its face. The Tempest Aura is so much more than that though. It strikes with the fear of being within the presence of a transcendent god and distorts reality itself, turning it into a statically glitching state while also overwhelming them with a divine pressure which outright crushes will. Part of the auras effects is that it takes high willpower enemies and just convinces them to off themselves instead, while at the same time changing their personalities in the process to match. Its effects are still present even if you manage to block her out with spatial manip or transfer yourself/her to a pocket dimension as long as you’ve laid eyes on her. Being actually engulfed by the aura is the real problem though, since then the effects are not just multiplied in speed and potency but it also just crushes you with the pressure directly alongside Electrojutsu properties, destroying at a macro-quantum level with just that alone. So ‘insane willpower’ is something directly countered here and even if it doesn’t work at first, tempest soul can force the effect to multiply for a limited time, and at that point it’s likely to be overcome (especially considering it has been multiplied to overcome negation effects before, and that’s something else you mentioned Raul could possibly do). Furthermore, having a sharp mind doesn’t really matter either. Kyofu himself is a fighting and scientific genius who modified Ultima, a machine capable of analyzing space-time at a range beyond the observable universe, as well as upgrading Grender Supervoltix, a battle machine which was already practically perfected by decades of work from an entire race of science genius’ (this effectively puts his brain on the level of a planets worth of genius individuals) and her aura not only negs Ultima but also Kyofu himself despite him having his own tempest aura. He is literally quoted in the story saying “so help me god, that aura will NOT touch me” because he is well aware of just how screwed he would be if it did. Tbh even just looking at her kinda does that anyway even though he resists it

So the thing about this is. Raúl resists this with Purification, as Raúl's Spectral Energy automatically counters anything with Purification, even quantum attacks and (platonic) conceptual attacks.

Normally that Dominion part would screw Alela over, but Tempest Soul has that covered for her. Alela just resists void stuff (including antimatter stuff used to erase people and things from existence with just the smallest touch) but attempting to ‘flood’ her with it won’t work so well either. Tempest soul can reality warp chaotic based stuff into extra stamina and void manip falls under that umbrella and is something he has warped numerous times. Alela can also reactive evolve to gain resistances to certain powerful stuff, so those other effects should be covered if they threaten to instantly kill her thanks to her clairvoyance. Tempest soul is also basically immune to paralysis anyway even without evolving as it resisted the soul-based paralysis of the pocket realm Dorstru forced her into, which was made from even greater voids than the ones she resisted including a general power nulling aura, yet tempest soul and alela fought and the ultrabolts devoured it in seconds all the same

So to counter this, Void isn't chaotic. Void based attacks inverse are literal Nothingness attacks, flooding someone with it disconnects them from their being for however long the Dominion is open

The Paralysis disconnected Rancour from his Platonic concepts for a minute, so it's FAR beyond soul based.

Within the realm of clairvoyance, he's overwhelmed Precognition that spanned across a hefty amount of the future.

As for the battle itself (if he’s still able to survive past the tempest aura at all), it should be noted before anything that any attempt to effect her with a soul based move is gonna be met by:

• Tempest Retribution: This occurs only if someone attempts to attack the Tempest Soul directly. As a result, the Tempest Soul commits retribution on those who dare attempt to stop it. To do so, transfers all attempts towards it directly back into the enemy soul, then unleashes horrible paralysis over said soul, then striking them down with 100 time stronger than Alela Ultravolt attacks with the intent being to erase the enemy body and soul altogether. This isn't its only method of retribution, but it is usually the first thing it will try.

Considering he has a ton of those, every time he attacks her with those it’ll be another tempest retribution attack, which basically spawns right on top of him and would be nearly impossible to dodge without any sort of very high instinctive action. Precognition doesn’t really help since the tempest aura just blocks that outright seeing as Kyofu’s ability to view the 100% certain future is negged just by Alela having it active. There’s a super brief window of time where he could possibly react though, but considering tempest soul has thousands of times faster reaction speed than Alela, that seems pretty far fetched

For all of this, Raúl simply activates The Starshatterer to overwrite anything Tempest Soul throws toward him, be could also use Umbran Vigour to negate the effects of anything that can target his soul, as it converts the attacks to physical damage and gives him incredibly high instinctive action

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

So the thing about this is. Raúl resists this with Purification, as Raúl's Spectral Energy automatically counters anything with Purification, even quantum attacks and (platonic) conceptual attacks.

And can he spam this? It’s activated the instant Alela is forded to fight anyone and it doesn’t just go away. Plus that sounds like NLF, he can only be assumed to be able to purify what he has feats of purifying so far. Just because he can purify quantum and concept stuff doesn’t mean he can purify tempest aura since it’s neither of those things, they are disconnected, and it has pretty high level perception and empathic stuff which I don’t think he has feats of purifying

So to counter this, Void isn't chaotic. Void based attacks inverse are literal Nothingness attacks, flooding someone with it disconnects them from their being for however long the Dominion is open

Void is chaotic in V. Verse though, and void attacks are treated as such despite them functioning as you listed here. The fact that it is an embodied nothingness is the points, that falls under chaos stuff in the verse. The reality warp would still work, she has multiple feats of doing this with voids. Disconnecting her won’t work, I talk about this below here

The Paralysis disconnected Rancour from his Platonic concepts for a minute, so it's FAR beyond soul based.

Tempest Soul isn’t exactly normal though, he is an ethereal being from a divine creator, meant to harness the Volt of the universe to punish those who use chaotic energies. If he could be severed so easily from Alela, he’d be considered a failure. He is able to hold himself and Alela together even against one of Kyofu’s ultimate moves, “Tempest Severance”, basically a last ditch effort to try and remove tempest soul entirely after his vast spatial manipulation and soul pulling had little to no effect. The attack is supposed to do a pretty similar thing in severing concepts/destroying them while it also emits electric shocks that distort space-time all converging on them. So they do survive and stay together, although this is a bit of a struggle at first. It ensnared and paralyzed her too, but not in like a concept kinda way since that’s what the actual attack was about, still though the fact it ivercame her regular paralysis resistance is no small feat at all. Tempest Soul can also warn her of attacks from the future/past so he should be able to prepare her before he uses this also like he did for this attack too. Alela has the feats to survive this.

She could also try to dodge through a Volt Gate, which can take her to anywhere familiar to her or to where she senses someone she knows. But she could also use them as just traditional dodging portals instead of going super far away and then coming back, but it’s an option and if tempest soul sees it as the best one they’ll go with that

Within the realm of clairvoyance, he's overwhelmed Precognition that spanned across a hefty amount of the future.

Seeing the future doesn’t mean you can react to it. Tempest soul is a supergenius and created by Gods with the ability to evolve his speed evermore, Alela can get to the point where bro just can’t recent to anything she does anymore and it wouldn’t take long either, especially if Alela gets mad/tempest soul thinks she might die. She did this to Tamashi Dark in the story, and shes waaaay more haxxed than Alela is

For all of this, Raúl simply activates The Starshatterer to overwrite anything Tempest Soul throws toward him, be could also use Umbran Vigour to negate the effects of anything that can target his soul, as it converts the attacks to physical damage and gives him incredibly high instinctive action

He can turn tempest retribution to physical if he wants but he’ll just be instantly disintegrated by all that Volt, and he’d just be screee unless he can regen every inch of himself from macro-quantum destruction. Not to mention he’d also be contending with the transferred effects of his own attacks, which would make all of that even worse since his soul attacks would target his own soul instead, can he handle those on top of it? Also, what feats of overwriting stuff does he have with the sword? Saying it will ‘overwrite anything’ just implies another NLF, it can’t be assumed he can just overwrite whatever comes his way

Alright so I’ve looked into the Starshatterer, seems he doesn’t always use it because he said he never needed to. His standard tactic is to force himself on the defensive to assess the opponents power, it’s entirely possible Alela is just able to kill him during this phase with a stray ultrabolt. Even if he does use this he’d have to surpass Alela’s own rate of evolution since she can overcome evolved resistances to her own stuff as seen by how she overcame shadow force law multiple times, with this ability being able to use law manip to forcefully equalize resistances/abilities with an opponent. Based on his profile against Alela’s, his reactive evolution is way slower since Alela can shoot up by hundreds of times if the circumstances line up

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

And can he spam this? It’s activated the instant Alela is forded to fight anyone and it doesn’t just go away. Plus that sounds like NLF, he can only be assumed to be able to purify what he has feats of purifying so far. Just because he can purify quantum and concept stuff doesn’t mean he can purify tempest aura since it’s neither of those things, they are disconnected, and it has pretty high level perception and empathic stuff which I don’t think he has feats of purifying

He's purified high level attacks on his mind and soul before so it's no stretch to say he could, and yes, he can spam it easily.

Void is chaotic in V. Verse though, and void attacks are treated as such despite them functioning as you listed here. The fact that it is an embodied nothingness is the points, that falls under chaos stuff in the verse. The reality warp would still work, she has multiple feats of doing this with voids. Disconnecting her won’t work, I talk about this below here

I don't see why it would be treated as something it clearly isn't due to the differences in how void works, I think it should and would work as normally and entirely paralyse Alela

Tempest Soul isn’t exactly normal though, he is an ethereal being from a divine creator, meant to harness the Volt of the universe to punish those who use chaotic energies. If he could be severed so easily from Alela, he’d be considered a failure. He is able to hold himself and Alela together even against one of Kyofu’s ultimate moves, “Tempest Severance”, basically a last ditch effort to try and remove tempest soul entirely after his vast spatial manipulation and soul pulling had little to no effect. The attack is supposed to do a pretty similar thing in severing concepts/destroying them while it also emits electric shocks that distort space-time all converging on them. So they do survive and stay together, although this is a bit of a struggle at first. It ensnared and paralyzed her too, but not in like a concept kinda way since that’s what the actual attack was about, still though the fact it ivercame her regular paralysis resistance is no small feat at all. Tempest Soul can also warn her of attacks from the future/past so he should be able to prepare her before he uses this also like he did for this attack too. Alela has the feats to survive this.

The difference in that is, if bro pops Dominion and realises he can't separate the two, he's weakening them with his ability to stat reduce and using a 125% output Median, entirely obliterating their body, mind, soul, and all types of concepts. Median is so broken in the fact that it could quite literally obliterate pure and absolute void, it also qas able to destroy Dæinvorol, who had evolved to be invulnerable to Median due to the sheer power the 125% had.

She could also try to dodge through a Volt Gate, which can take her to anywhere familiar to her or to where she senses someone she knows. But she could also use them as just traditional dodging portals instead of going super far away and then coming back, but it’s an option and if tempest soul sees it as the best one they’ll go with that

Forgot to leave this up there but they aren't dodging a Dominion, as it's a guaranteed hit that moves beyond the Dominions own space-time.

Seeing the future doesn’t mean you can reach (I'm assuming this meant react) to it. Tempest soul is a supergenius and created by Gods with the ability to evolve his speed evermore, Alela can get to the point where bro just can’t recent to anything she does anymore and it wouldn’t take long either, especially if Alela gets mad/tempest soul thinks she might die. She did this to Tamashi Dark in the story, and shes waaaay more haxxed than Alela is

Speed is equalised so Raúl increases in speed too

He can turn tempest retribution to physical if he wants but he’ll just be instantly disintegrated by all that Volt, and he’d just be screee unless he can regen every inch of himself from macro-quantum destruction. Not to mention he’d also be contending with the transferred effects of his own attacks, which would make all of that even worse since his soul attacks would target his own soul instead, can he handle those on top of it? Also, what feats of overwriting stuff does he have with the sword? Saying it will ‘overwrite anything’ just implies another NLF, it can’t be assumed he can just overwrite whatever comes his way

He can actually as he regenerated from macro quantum destruction within his battle with Rancour. He also could raise a Resonance barrier to block anything that hits him. He can harden and protect his soul well. He overwrote multiple peoples powers, most importantly High Godly regen, reality and unreality itself, and the sword evolved to be able to cut into pure nothingness within a single whim of Raúl's mind. It's not an NLF if Raúl wants to do it (because anything he thinks of goes with the sword)

Alright so I’ve looked into the Starshatterer, seems he doesn’t always use it because he said he never needed to. His standard tactic is to force himself on the defensive to assess the opponents power, it’s entirely possible Alela is just able to kill him during this phase with a stray ultrabolt. Even if he does use this he’d have to surpass Alela’s own rate of evolution since she can overcome evolved resistances to her own stuff as seen by how she overcame shadow force law multiple times, with this ability being able to use law manip to forcefully equalize resistances/abilities with an opponent. Based on his profile against Alela’s, his reactive evolution is way slower since Alela can shoot up by hundreds of times if the circumstances line up

So, the Starshatterer demonstrated the ability to evolve faster than Dæinvorol who has adapted to literally anything you could think of.
Existence Erasure
Void Manipulation
Paralysis Inducement
High Godly regen null
The Starshatterer outperforms even him since anything he thinks of goes and Raúl's thoughts are pretty powerful.
Also Raúl could just want for the sword to be unable to be adapted to and it's likely that he could nullify adaptation to this phenomenon as not even Dæinvorol (who can adapt to everything, bro literally adapted to a Dominion's effects, whilet being erased and having his place in reality deleted. Bro adapted to three things simultaneously and still, due to Raúl's mind being that strong he couldnt adapt to the sword) could adapt once Raúl told the sword to disallow him.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

He's purified high level attacks on his mind and soul before so it's no stretch to say he could, and yes, he can spam it easily.

He’ll have to spam it like a hundred times a second can he even fight while he’s being forced to do that?

I don't see why it would be treated as something it clearly isn't due to the differences in how void works, I think it should and would work as normally and entirely paralyse Alela

Because that’s how it works in my verse? Void, unreality, nothingness, etc. is all under the same category of what Alela (and more accurately, tempest soul) is literally made to counter

The difference in that is, if bro pops Dominion and realises he can't separate the two, he's weakening them with his ability to stat reduce and using a 125% output Median, entirely obliterating their body, mind, soul, and all types of concepts. Median is so broken in the fact that it could quite literally obliterate pure and absolute void, it also qas able to destroy Dæinvorol, who had evolved to be invulnerable to Median due to the sheer power the 125% had.

But I just said that she survived an ability that severs and destroys concepts, so I don’t really see a difference there

Forgot to leave this up there but they aren't dodging a Dominion, as it's a guaranteed hit that moves beyond the Dominions own space-time.

I said this on the strongest thread already, but Alela has already experienced instant and guaranteed hits, I mean she was forced into a pocket realm created by Dorstru, which had omnipresent shadows attempting to null her powers alongside shadow force law, trying to reduce her and soul to nothing… yet her tempest ultrabolts ate the entire things in seconds, so she could just eat the dominion. The fabric of space-time is just a snack, and shes eaten voids (nothingness), antimatter, shadojutsu, the dimensions of pocket realms themselves, even Kyofu’s own version of tempest soul, and more, all without the ultrabolts having a shred of trouble doing so, she should be able to accomplish that

If not, she can use them instead to generate a Tempest Singularity (tempest soul would unlock them in order for Alela to live here) to send his attacks outside of space-time and the universe itself, but she could also slip into one of the cracks too and use other singularities/volt gates to return. Should also note that if she does this, Raul will have to contend with a wave of colors and energies which the mind cannot comprehend, resulting in madness. Tamashi had to use a higher level Spell to mitigate the singularities overall effects. That’s also a whole different can of worms, Magic in my verse is NOT normal

Speed is equalised so Raúl increases in speed too

I highly doubt he’s keeping up with the Alela’s speed amps. Stuff like a 500 times increase in all ways is low level for the tempest deity’s level of Electrojutsu and this will skyrocket when tempest evolves

He can actually as he regenerated from macro quantum destruction within his battle with Rancour. He also could raise a Resonance barrier to block anything that hits him. He can harden and protect his soul well. He overwrote multiple peoples powers, most importantly High Godly regen, reality and unreality itself, and the sword evolved to be able to cut into pure nothingness within a single whim of Raúl's mind. It's not an NLF if Raúl wants to do it (because anything he thinks of goes with the sword)

‘Block anything’ is just more NLF arguments and those things don’t have the same properties as his sword does so that excuse can’t be used for them. Plus, that’s crazy, and no offense but the only mention of those on the profile is like the most basic Forcefield creation ever, and if they did anything close to what you are saying you would have elaborated on those a good deal like you did for the dominion stuff. “Hardening” to protect the soul is worthless against Ultrabolts and all Alela needs is one touch from those to kill. Shadow force law basically does the same thing too and I’ve said already that she just evolved beyond that multiple times… so this just results in another back and fourth of evolution

I take issues with the sword. So can he take out a 2-A just because he thinks to do it? What about a tier 1? He’s got an impressive mind and intellect rating but tempest soul is a force he can’t really understand at his level, and considering that Alela’s pool of abilities is technically limitless, tempest soul can continually unlock more of the deity’s powers. If the sword works as you say they may just end up fighting forever without a clear winner

So, the Starshatterer demonstrated the ability to evolve faster than Dæinvorol who has adapted to literally anything you could think of.
Existence Erasure
Void Manipulation
Paralysis Inducement
High Godly regen null
The Starshatterer outperforms even him since anything he thinks of goes and Raúl's thoughts are pretty powerful.
Also Raúl could just want for the sword to be unable to be adapted to and it's likely that he could nullify adaptation to this phenomenon as not even Dæinvorol (who can adapt to everything, bro literally adapted to a Dominion's effects, whilet being erased and having his place in reality deleted. Bro adapted to three things simultaneously and still, due to Raúl's mind being that strong he couldnt adapt to the sword) could adapt once Raúl told the sword to disallow him.

I mean Alela could just mind wipe him at the start, and then he could forget all of his powers unless he can regenerate memories, which I know he cannot since that’s no where on the profile. This would definitely be before he uses this sword according to his in character tactics, and in vs threads the fighters are in character, so I feel it would be disingenuous to assume otherwise. Plus it’s just the sword, not himself, so he’s still open to her more deadly attacks

Also just because Dæinvorol can adapt to so much doesn’t mean he’s quick at it, although I’ll assume that he is. Tempest soul is able to evolve the speed of Alela’s fast reactive evolution on top of everything else, like multiplying 2 x 2 x 2, etc, rising exponentially in speed, potency, and defense and this can get even faster still if Alela is mad or tempest soul thinks Alela might die. The tempest deity is built to be able to destroy enemies even if their power over her is made into the law of reality itself. Just because he ‘wants’ something doesn’t mean it can’t be overcome. Again, that’s would be an NLF. Plus he can’t just block Alela’s evolution, even if he could make the sword immune to adaptation. It’s also just a sword, and besides the stuff with Raul’s mind it doesn’t seem to have supernatural offensive capability as it doesn’t raise his range at all, so she should just be able to avoid it

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

He’ll have to spam it like a hundred times a second can he even fight while he’s being forced to do that?

Yes. He had to do it millions, if not billions of times a second against Rancour lmao, it's automatic

Because that’s how it works in my verse? Void, unreality, nothingness, etc. is all under the same category of what Alela (and more accurately, tempest soul) is literally made to counter

Is it Void, unreality and nothingness or chaotic energy? Since they aren't the same in my verse and have a distinction meaning that they would need to be properly countered if it's just chaotic energy.

But I just said that she survived an ability that severs and destroys concepts, so I don’t really see a difference there

Was it a platonic concept

I said this on the strongest thread already, but Alela has already experienced instant and guaranteed hits, I mean she was forced into a pocket realm created by Dorstru, which had omnipresent shadows attempting to null her powers alongside shadow force law, trying to reduce her and soul to nothing… yet her tempest ultrabolts ate the entire things in seconds, so she could just eat the dominion. The fabric of space-time is just a snack, and shes eaten voids (nothingness), antimatter, shadojutsu, the dimensions of pocket realms themselves, even Kyofu’s own version of tempest soul, and more, all without the ultrabolts having a shred of trouble doing so, she should be able to accomplish that

If not, she can use them instead to generate a Tempest Singularity (tempest soul would unlock them in order for Alela to live here) to send his attacks outside of space-time and the universe itself, but she could also slip into one of the cracks too and use other singularities/volt gates to return. Should also note that if she does this, Raul will have to contend with a wave of colors and energies which the mind cannot comprehend, resulting in madness. Tamashi had to use a higher level Spell to mitigate the singularities overall effects. That’s also a whole different can of worms, Magic in my verse is NOT normal

Isn't that 4-D hax if he can affect space-time continuums

Also it's far beyond omnipresent, it bends the rules of Speed to where the hit is guaranteed before anything else goes on so there's a 0% chance it's countered before that unless there's an Immeasurable speed limit

Again space-time won't affect the guaranteed hit, within the Dominion there's legit nothing stopping the hit unless you have some metaphysical barrier that can nullify guaranteed hit attacks

I highly doubt he’s keeping up with the Alela’s speed amps. Stuff like a 500 times increase in all ways is low level for the tempest deity’s level of Electrojutsu and this will skyrocket when tempest evolves

I would assume speed equalised means speed stays equalised, since that's the point of equalising speed

‘Block anything’ is just more NLF arguments and those things don’t have the same properties as his sword does so that excuse can’t be used for them. Plus, that’s crazy, and no offense but the only mention of those on the profile is like the most basic Forcefield creation ever, and if they did anything close to what you are saying you would have elaborated on those a good deal like you did for the dominion stuff. “Hardening” to protect the soul is worthless against Ultrabolts and all Alela needs is one touch from those to kill. Shadow force law basically does the same thing too and I’ve said already that she just evolved beyond that multiple times… so this just results in another back and fourth of evolution

I take issues with the sword. So can he take out a 2-A just because he thinks to do it? What about a tier 1? He’s got an impressive mind and intellect rating but tempest soul is a force he can’t really understand at his level, and considering that Alela’s pool of abilities is technically limitless, tempest soul can continually unlock more of the deity’s powers. If the sword works as you say they may just end up fighting forever without a clear winner

So by 'block anything' I mean any attack he's witnesses. Alela's main pool is soul attacks, and resonance can block that so that's what I meant by block anything.

Anything that reaches the AP level of resonance can be blocked as long as it has been shown inverse.

Lucky for Raúl he can sustain himself without a soul, since most sorcerers can for quite a while.

I mean it's possible for The Starshatterer to increase him to 2-A but that'd be the sword, not him, and therefore would be a smurf and an acceptable one for the thread.

If Raúl can understand technology thousands of years more advanced than his times and predict the future accurately alongside understanding his opponents in record times he likely could figure her out

It is possible they fight forever based off of Adaptation alone since he could learn to apply the Starshatterer to himself (Swords can connect with the essence of one's being)

I mean Alela could just mind wipe him at the start, and then he could forget all of his powers unless he can regenerate memories, which I know he cannot since that’s no where on the profile. This would definitely be before he uses this sword according to his in character tactics, and in vs threads the fighters are in character, so I feel it would be disingenuous to assume otherwise. Plus it’s just the sword, not himself, so he’s still open to her more deadly attacks

Also just because Dæinvorol can adapt to so much doesn’t mean he’s quick at it, although I’ll assume that he is. Tempest soul is able to evolve the speed of Alela’s fast reactive evolution on top of everything else, like multiplying 2 x 2 x 2, etc, rising exponentially in speed, potency, and defense and this can get even faster still if Alela is mad or tempest soul thinks Alela might die. The tempest deity is built to be able to destroy enemies even if their power over her is made into the law of reality itself. Just because he ‘wants’ something doesn’t mean it can’t be overcome. Again, that’s would be an NLF. Plus he can’t just block Alela’s evolution, even if he could make the sword immune to adaptation. It’s also just a sword, and besides the stuff with Raul’s mind it doesn’t seem to have supernatural offensive capability as it doesn’t raise his range at all, so she should just be able to avoid it

The  Purification tech can likely restore him, and he can regenerate parts of his brain reflexively so as long as a part of his brain remained he could regen it.

So with the Starshatterer it is literally a sword from the Spectral Realm itself, it's also a deity level weapon and if Raúl knew he was gonna get cooked he'd bond with the sword at the level of his essence and apply any adaptations to himself.

So the sword itself depends on the user, again, Raúl is a VERY high E Genius, and honestly may become a supergenius when he's unsealed but for now he's an E Genius, that being said he could directly just make the sword into its namesake and just AP gap the shit out of Alela and one tap, I honestly think this battle goes to incon due to both of their abilities to endlessly evolve to the point of just becoming the emoji

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Is it Void, unreality and nothingness or chaotic energy? Since they aren't the same in my verse and have a distinction meaning that they would need to be properly countered if it's just chaotic energy.

Ooh I see so that's where the confusion comes from, our verses treat void stuff differently. Shadojutsu is a chaotic energy but it's able to use void and antimatter shenanigans to achieve unreality and nothingness stuff, so i think their core principles are the same but they originate differently

I would assume speed equalised means speed stays equalised, since that's the point of equalising speed

it makes the speed the same for both at the start, speed amps and stat amps are still applicable. It's mostly just so that characters with big differences in their speeds but also have the same tier can have a fair fight

So by 'block anything' I mean any attack he's witnesses. Alela's main pool is soul attacks, and resonance can block that so that's what I meant by block anything.

Anything that reaches the AP level of resonance can be blocked as long as it has been shown inverse.

I see... That's pretty interesting although reactive evo for Alela increases AP too so there's likely a point where she can bypass those

So the sword itself depends on the user, again, Raúl is a VERY high E Genius, and honestly may become a supergenius when he's unsealed but for now he's an E Genius, that being said he could directly just make the sword into its namesake and just AP gap the shit out of Alela and one tap, I honestly think this battle goes to incon due to both of their abilities to endlessly evolve to the point of just becoming the emoji

Well all things considered everything has the feel of incon tbh, I agree. AP gap would be closed by Alela's extremely fast evolution too though, so that's just another piece of evidence of incon

I'll go ahead and vote incon then

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

Ooh I see so that's where the confusion comes from, our verses treat void stuff differently. Shadojutsu is a chaotic energy but it's able to use void and antimatter shenanigans to achieve unreality and nothingness stuff, so i think their core principles are the same but they originate differently

it makes the speed the same for both at the start, speed amps and stat amps are still applicable. It's mostly just so that characters with big differences in their speeds but also have the same tier can have a fair fight

I see... That's pretty interesting although reactive evo for Alela increases AP too so there's likely a point where she can bypass those

Well all things considered everything has the feel of incon tbh, I agree. AP gap would be closed by Alela's extremely fast evolution too though, so that's just another piece of evidence of incon

I'll go ahead and vote incon then

Yeah this is straight incon

Another for incon

 

[Rayfire]

Both of them stop fighting and watch the spongebob movie together instead FRA (Incon)

 

[SSB64]

I'm going to go for Stardust here, though that's because I base my matchups on who I think could make more progress on the other, and from the way it sounds, Raul basically has to be on the defensive and regenerating most of the time while Stardust is the one doing most of the lifting. Plus, I didn't read anything regarding resistances to a mind wipe, so Stardust FTW I guess.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

I'm going to go for Stardust here, though that's because I base my matchups on who I think could make more progress on the other, and from the way it sounds, Raul basically has to be on the defensive and regenerating most of the time while Stardust is the one doing most of the lifting. Plus, I didn't read anything regarding resistances to a mind wipe, so Stardust FTW I guess.

Maybe there's an argument for changing the votes here based on this, but before I do anything like that I'll see if admiral will try to dispute this reasoning

That also takes away the grace we reached for inconclusive, so someone will have to say something

 

[SSB64]

Maybe there's an argument for changing the votes here based on this, but before I do anything like that I'll see if admiral will try to dispute this reasoning

That also takes away the grace we reached for inconclusive, so someone will have to say something

NGL, I'm veeeeeeery tempted to do something (Nothing bad. Just a post I'll make if this happens to be Incon. It might be interesting to you all.)

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

NGL, I'm veeeeeeery tempted to do something (Nothing bad. Just a post I'll make if this happens to be Incon. It might be interesting to you all.)

Now I'm curious tho

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

I'm going to go for Stardust here, though that's because I base my matchups on who I think could make more progress on the other, and from the way it sounds, Raul basically has to be on the defensive and regenerating most of the time while Stardust is the one doing most of the lifting. Plus, I didn't read anything regarding resistances to a mind wipe, so Stardust FTW I guess.

So the problem with this logic is pretty simple, Raúl is only on the defensive until he can adapt and make a proper plan toward beating Stardust. This is exactly how it went down in his fight with Rancour - he was pressed onto the defensive until he was able to create a plan able to beat Rancour despite him having several notable advantages and a whole year of planning.

He resists the mind wipe via Purification and reflexive regeneration as other characters in the verse have done that and he has superior regen to multiple of them

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

He resists the mind wipe via Purification and reflexive regeneration as other characters in the verse have done that and he has superior regen to multiple of them

Actually that reminds me, can he regenerate memories? Because if not he’d just forget about purification and Alela could win that way

Otherwise I’ll just stick with incon

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

Actually that reminds me, can he regenerate memories? Because if not he’d just forget about purification and Alela could win that way

Otherwise I’ll just stick with incon

Yeah his regeneration is reflexive, his body would instantaneously begin repairing any damage, including memory loss.

Should we do Rancour vs Alela on this thread? I thought it would shape up to be a good fight tbh

 

[DMUA]

Technically grace isn't over and ugh... Oh boy.

Speed is equalised so Raúl increases in speed too

Not how it works, speed amps are allowed. Equalization just starts them in the same spot (and it prevents matches where a normally slower character wins by blitzing from being added). It also means that everything is equalized by proportion of it's combat speed- if they have a much higher attack speed like a normal dude with a gun or other oddities, those remain much higher.

It's not an NLF if Raúl wants to do it (because anything he thinks of goes with the sword)

This is just reading the textbook definition of a No-Limits Fallacy, asserting that a very general ability is capable of anything imaginable in a versus context despite said imagination breaching into esoteric interactions.

Is there any feats indicating it could go to the distances described? And moreover, if it's not something he's prone to instantly pulling out, would he actually do so to survive given the prior two factors? The only statement he even can sustain precognition is... Let's see here...

Within the realm of clairvoyance, he's overwhelmed Precognition that spanned across a hefty amount of the future.

Okay? He saw the future better than someone who saw a "heafty amount of it", which part of this implies it cannot be nullified or resisted?

So to counter this, Void isn't chaotic. Void based attacks inverse are literal Nothingness attacks, flooding someone with it disconnects them from their being for however long the Dominion is open

Why does this whole line of thought matter anyways? It's not like Tempest Diety is extremely selective about only applying it's stuff to that extent (and even then "oh it's not chaos energy it just has every single lethal effect from this mainline branch of chaos energy" feels like something that'd earn an eyebrow raise and a "no") it just does that to attacks in general and pure chaos/void manipulation is one of the extreme examples.

Isn't that 4-D hax if he can affect space-time continuums

Not really if it's localized to a small space, time isn't inherently 4D hax. Even if it was, Smurfs are not only not banned, but explicitly allowed on the strongest thread, and 4D doesn't need the Tier 1 approval thread because it's not Tier 1.

I mean it's possible for The Starshatterer to increase him to 2-A

You do, however, need an actual feat to indicate this.

 

[SSB64]

I just realized something.

This might be the first time in quite a while where the GRACE period was broken. O-O

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

I just realized something.

This might be the first time in quite a while where the GRACE period was broken. O-O

Yeah I haven't seen it for a while. I wonder if the votes will still end up being incon ...

 

[SSB64]

Yeah I haven't seen it for a while. I wonder if the votes will still end up being incon ...

Perhaps, though in that case, the Technical Winner (TW), should go down to whoever can make more progress in defeating the other.

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

Technically grace isn't over and ugh... Oh boy.

Not how it works, speed amps are allowed. Equalization just starts them in the same spot (and it prevents matches where a normally slower character wins by blitzing from being added). It also means that everything is equalized by proportion of it's combat speed- if they have a much higher attack speed like a normal dude with a gun or other oddities, those remain much higher.

This is just reading the textbook definition of a No-Limits Fallacy, asserting that a very general ability is capable of anything imaginable in a versus context despite said imagination breaching into esoteric interactions.

Is there any feats indicating it could go to the distances described? And moreover, if it's not something he's prone to instantly pulling out, would he actually do so to survive given the prior two factors? The only statement he even can sustain precognition is... Let's see here...

Okay? He saw the future better than someone who saw a "heafty amount of it", which part of this implies it cannot be nullified or resisted?

Why does this whole line of thought matter anyways? It's not like Tempest Diety is extremely selective about only applying it's stuff to that extent (and even then "oh it's not chaos energy it just has every single lethal effect from this mainline branch of chaos energy" feels like something that'd earn an eyebrow raise and a "no") it just does that to attacks in general and pure chaos/void manipulation is one of the extreme examples.

Not really if it's localized to a small space, time isn't inherently 4D hax. Even if it was, Smurfs are not only not banned, but explicitly allowed on the strongest thread, and 4D doesn't need the Tier 1 approval thread because it's not Tier 1.

You do, however, need an actual feat to indicate this.

Again, we already concluded this thread about 2 days ago atp, I really can't be bothered refuting any arguments rn

 

[DMUA]

Again, we already concluded this thread about 2 days ago atp

No, you didn't. Grace started 16 hours ago and it ends after 24.

Furthermore I could shut that process down by voting for Alela, as she seems to possess rather decisive advantages in the form of speed amping at a much greater scale than he's been mentioned to do and ripping him to shreds until she drains his entire lifespan through tempest ultrabolts, since he seems to only possess longevity and doesn't resist his life force being drained (And that process is listed as negating regeneration to begin with, and it's not like he has feats of his regeneration cancelling out aging to a significant extent)

Really when I say it aloud I'm just going to do so, flat out.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

ripping him to shreds until she drains his entire lifespan through tempest ultrabolts, since he seems to only possess longevity and doesn't resist his life force being drained (And that process is listed as negating regeneration to begin with, and it's not like he has feats of his regeneration cancelling out aging to a significant extent)

This is true, honestly can't believe I forgot that aspect of it. I have too much on my mind lol

That sort of casts a new light on the match conclusion. I think I'll switch and vote Alela FRA now, although it's a close one

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Dark Delta's worst nightmare FRA

 

[MintyBoi1]

Alela FRA

 

[Rayfire]

Changing to Zeus but an anime girl (Alela) FRA

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Well jeez that changed fast

 

[SSB64]

Alela GRACE time! This might just be the upset of the century lol.

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

No, you didn't. Grace started 16 hours ago and it ends after 24.

Furthermore I could shut that process down by voting for Alela, as she seems to possess rather decisive advantages in the form of speed amping at a much greater scale than he's been mentioned to do and ripping him to shreds until she drains his entire lifespan through tempest ultrabolts, since he seems to only possess longevity and doesn't resist his life force being drained (And that process is listed as negating regeneration to begin with, and it's not like he has feats of his regeneration cancelling out aging to a significant extent)

Really when I say it aloud I'm just going to do so, flat out.

The speed amping won't get through an infinite space time barrier he can form

Again won't be able to rip him to shreds if she can't pass through his space-time barrier, Pure Dominion, Resonance barriers etc

I honestly don't much care if this one goes to Alela since I'm honestly more intrigued about how Rancour vs Alela would go

If you wanna continue this debate we can tho

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

I honestly don't much care if this one goes to Alela since I'm honestly more intrigued about how Rancour vs Alela would go

This one seems over since there are five alela votes, but I'm intrigued about this one too. Her update is almost done so should be possible soon

 

[DMUA]

The speed amping won't get through an infinite space time barrier he can form

Things already addressed.

‘Block anything’ is just more NLF arguments and those things don’t have the same properties as his sword does so that excuse can’t be used for them. Plus, that’s crazy, and no offense but the only mention of those on the profile is like the most basic Forcefield creation ever, and if they did anything close to what you are saying you would have elaborated on those a good deal like you did for the dominion stuff.

Not to mention reactive evolution explicitly covers esoteric defensive means and she messes with space through a bunch of stuff without any evolution required.

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

Not to mention reactive evolution explicitly covers esoteric defensive means and she messes with space through a bunch of stuff without any evolution required.

Again, he could evolve to match her speed by bonding with Starshatterer

 

[DMUA]

Well, it'd be a shame if there weren't any feats to indicate that was comparable to Alela's, wouldn't it?

 

[Rayfire]

How did this go from incon to alela (I haven't been keeping track of this thread)

 

[DMUA]

How did this go from incon to alela (I haven't been keeping track of this thread)

I read the arguments, then the pages they were talking about, and issues emerged with the trajectory at the time.

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

Well, it'd be a shame if there weren't any feats to indicate that was comparable to Alela's, wouldn't it?

Use Dæinvorol's feats of evolution. Apply that same concept to Raúl on a higher scale.

 

[DMUA]

Why? He doesn't have Dæinvorol's abilities, there's no reason or even comparison on his page between stat amps. Heck, that's not even the emphasized part about Dæinvorol, as opposed to developing resistance against specific stuff. Why should they be on par with someone who (in improper formatting) is described as amping themselves exponentially higher?

Even comparing raw RE shows a gap, Alela's is nearly instant where Dæinvorol has to engage in a cycle to develop this stuff.

 

[GrandAdmiralCosmicBrains]

Why? He doesn't have Dæinvorol's abilities, there's no reason or even comparison on his page between stat amps. Heck, that's not even the emphasized part about Dæinvorol, as opposed to developing resistance against specific stuff. Why should they be on par with someone who (in improper formatting) is described as amping themselves exponentially higher?

Even comparing raw RE shows a gap, Alela's is nearly instant where Dæinvorol has to engage in a cycle to develop this stuff.

It's comparable to Dæinvorol due to both their abilities originating from the same sort and just being different in how they work.

I clearly underscored the adaptations of the sword as comparable to or superior to Dæinvorol because they come off of thought and Raúl could easily leverage this to become far stronger or find a way to trap Alela and smack her eith a Median.

He could always just nuke her with a Median too

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

What even is a median