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Aku Revisions

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Firstly, Aku's AP should just be straight up High 6-B, or "At least High 6-B" (which would match his durability). The logic for not applying this to his regular form is...odd. The High 6-B feat from The Birth of Evil, which is causing the massive extinction at the end of the Cretaceous period, is performed by him simply falling to Earth from space. That's it. He doesn't even actively use anything but his sheer size and kinetic energy in this. This would likely rank extremely low on the list of "attacks" he could actually do. On top of that, when this feat happened, Aku was a tiny fraction of the size he is by the events of the show. We specifically see him absorb multiple organisms and grow in size exponentially over the course of millions of years. To assume he couldn't even replicate something like this isn't logical.

As a note, this does not mess up any scaling to Jack. Aku is canonically more powerful than Jack by an incredible amount. Jack fights Aku via skill and having a weapon created specifically to destroy Aku, not raw strength. One of many examples of this power difference would be the Season 1 episode Jack Versus Mad Jack. In an attempt to kill Jack, Aku makes a clone of the samurai who is equal to Jack in every way (speed, strength, skill, etc.), and thus Jack is entirely unable to defeat the doppelganger in combat (he only stops Mad Jack by expunging his own inner hatred, causing the clone to cease to exist). Aku is explicitly stated to have made this clone via his own magical power, not any sort of tech. He simply wills it into existence to fight Jack. Pretty clear showing of superiority.

Onto my other point, which is in regards to Aku's weaknesses. Most importantly is the fact that Aku being weak to magic is false. He's flat out immune to most of it in the same way as traditional weapons. In fact, in The Birth of Evil, the blessed magic arrow that Jack's father tried to use on formless Aku was entirely absorbed, simply waking him up instead of destroying him. He is only weak to divine magic (and as shown by the arrow, even traditionally blessed or holy magic does not seem to count), which is a big difference.

The other weakness that isn't entirely correct is illness, which I'm pretty sure comes from the episode The Aku Infectio, in which Aku gets the equivalent to a cold. However, this is shown to be far from a normal cold, as when Jack catches it, the "cold" starts consuming him with Aku's essence. So while he is susceptible to illness, the ones he can be infected with are clearly not normal, and thus need to be specified.

Summary of proposals:

  • Get rid of the lower part of Aku's tier and make him High 6-B or "At least High 6-B"
  • Heavily update Aku's magic weakness
  • Get rid of or heavily update his weakness to illness
 
My only issue is Aku's "High 6-B" feat. The feat itself isn't the issue, but just applying the Kinetic Energy of the Chicxulub Impact Asteroid to something that doesn't have the parameters of the meteor seems like faulty reasoning to me. I'll do a calc of it sometime tomorrow (Very tired at this moment), but I don't think my result will be to much lower then his current rating.
 
This seems very reasonable. Whatever result Dark gets for his calc I think should be applied all around.
 
Looks reasonable to me. Also, what's anybodys thoughts on the vape ocean feat thing of Akus that Ultima shared above?
 
I posted that and i think those like DT and ClassicGameGuys had a problem with it. It was in a Samurai Jack thread i made last year.

IDK what the case is now of it, however.
 
@Matt: I think it was something that Hop founded to be a problem of. DK what it was again, but it might have been him who said something about it.
 
@Cross I'll ask other Calc Members about it then. Hopefully Dark can do his re-calc if/whenever he gets the chance.
 
If the calc is accepted and Dark agrees without recalcing it, Aku should just be straight up Large Island level or "At least Large Island level".

If the Mach 84 feat is accepted, then that should be Jack's new low-end speed, since it's something he does many times extremely casually, and he's able to blitz people who can do the same.

Also...

[SPOILERS FOR SEASON 5 EPISODE 5]

We are even now getting further proof that Jack is fodder to unrestricted Aku. A tired, apathetic Aku one-hit-kills the old Scotsman (don't worry, he comes back as a ghost almost immediately) with quite literally next to zero effort (reducing him to dust with his eyebeams without even looking directly at him) and shattering his magic sword in the process. Not only did Aku one-shot someone still somewhat comparable to Jack, but he also effortlessly destroyed a magic sword that Jack himself could not even scratch. On top of this, Jack even tells Ashi there is absolutely nothing they can do to fight Aku, and that without his magic sword, they are powerless to do anything to stop him.

[END OF SPOILERS]
 
It doesn't. Jack can't hurt Aku without his magic sword, and Aku was going to absolutely fodderize him after taking his sword in Jack and the Zombies. The only reason Aku didn't murder him then and there was because the sword pulled plot armor out of nowhere.

Jack has also never hurt unrestricted Aku without his sword. He's only hurt human Aku without it (in Jack versus Aku), and in that scenario Aku wasn't allowed to use any of his abilities whatsoever, including superhuman strength.

Even if Jack somehow manages to evenly fight Aku this season with no sword, magic, or special tactics, it will be end-of-series Jack, and not the one who was repeatedly stated and shown to be powerless against the Shogun of Sorrow without his sword.
 
He never used his full power against Jack. Only enough to start briefly overwhelming him and hopefully not have Jack notice.
 
Cropfist said:
Aku explicitly cheated and used powers anyway in Jack versus Aku though.
Barely. Using enough strength to knock down stone, using psychic powers to make a pillar fall over, and having tendrils trip Jack once are all he does. He explicitly only does enough to hinder Jack and give his minions time to find what he believes to be the sword. He never goes all out because the entire point was Jack wouldn't notice him cheating until Aku had taken the sword, at which point he could just smite Jack with no chance of being harmed.

Basically what Ryu said but longer.
 
Also, this is for a character who isn't Aku, but shouldn't the Nameless Evil and other gods scale to Cronus? I mean, the NE's current rating is just through size alone, and the series has, to my knowledge, always portrayed major gods as comparable (Odin, Vishnu, and Ra fighting together against the NE in the first place).
 
I think Matthew wanted to propose something like that a while back for those gods plus NE but i may mistaken or misremembering a bit there...
 
To my knowledge the other gods and NE were never stated or shown as comparable to Odin and Cronus.

However if they have been, then I agree with 4-A everyone. Since the NE's rating isn't even based on an actual feat, so 4-A can't really be called an outlier.
 
If the other gods actually are comparable to Odin and Cronus, then yes.
 
@Ryu

The gods have very little stated about them. For instance, Cronus, Zeus, and NE only ever appear once. Odin and Ra are two of few divine entities in the series who appear more than once, and in most cases it is just a brief appearance (Odin appears at the very end of Jack and the Lava Monster, while Ra appears at the end of Jack in Egypt to kill the Minions of Set). Zeus and Cronus have a single appearance, so we never get a chance to compare them to the others.

However, there are multiple things that point to the other gods scaling.

For example, in the commentary for Birth of Evil parts 1 and 2, Genndy Tartakovsky (the show's creator), Bryan Andrews (one of the show's primary storyboard artists), and Scott Wills (the art director) refer to the entity which spawned Aku as "the ultimate evil". They also talk about how Samurai Jack's pantheon of gods is an amalgam of many from religions and mythology all over the world, and refer to Odin, Ra, and Vishnu as some of the "top" among the gods.

I would say this means that they should be at least comparable to Zeus.
 
@Azathoth That makes sense then. I'm fine with scaling if Odin, Ra and Vishnu were noted as being the top guys and NE is supposed to be treated as some extremely immense threat.
 
Mmm, i'd be fine with that. Though do we put NE as just 4-A or at least 4-A as it did had to get like 3 Top Gods just to take it on?
 
I mean, 4-A is an extremely wide category, but I don't remember how far into it Cronus is.

Though NE was able to nearly kill Vishnu just by making physical contact, so there's that.
 
4-A is a pretty wide gap so I'm not sure. But I'm fine with either.

I'll change everyone to 4-A and if others think "At least" should be added to NE I or they can add it on.
 
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