Ainchase Ishmael vs Golden King

[Rikimarox2]

Battle for the 4th strongest in H6A.

Speed is equalized

SBA

Both of them are High 6-A.

Golden King: 0

Ainchase Ishmael (Herrscher Path): 1 (XDargnoir)

 

[XDragnoir]

Meh, Ain via 4D resistances and Golden King does not have acausality in his profile

 

[Rikimarox2]

I mean, can he even be erased from history if he has High-Godly?

 

[XDragnoir]

Afaik, High-Godly does not grant acausality

 

[Rikimarox2]

Doesn't one of Ain's 2-A bullshit just erase you from history?

 

[XDragnoir]

Yeah, summoning Henir's Realm does that, Ende der Welt

 

[Rikimarox2]

Characters with High-Godly should be able to regenerate that though, hell it even says on the page.

 

[XDragnoir]

It is in the page not in GK's profile, that's like saying a character with molecular regen will comeback from sub-atomic destruction because the page says High regen can do that.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Well, I guess that's true.

One vote for Ain then.

 

[InfiniteDay]

Passive atomization. What can Ain do against this?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

High-Godly already takes care of history erasure. Not that it matters much since Ain gets passive'd

 

[XDragnoir]

Passive atomization. What can Ain do against this?

Ain isn't made of matter so this means nothing to him.

High-Godly already takes care of history erasure. Not that it matters much since Ain gets passive'd

It does not without feats of doing so, as i said before, having High regen does not mean you will comeback from subatomic destruction since molecular and atomic destruction also fit inside High regen, and i still think there is something wrong with this High Godly since Tesla and GK can't destroy concepts or narratives.

 

[InfiniteDay]

Ain isn't made of matter so this means nothing to him.


It does not without feats of doing so, as i said before, having High regen does not mean you will comeback from subatomic destruction since molecular and atomic destruction also fit inside High regen, and i still think there is something wrong with this High Godly since Tesla and GK can't destroy concepts or narratives.

High-godly regen negates.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Golden King's atomization works on abstracts, so Ain aint surviving it

 

[XDragnoir]

Ain has mid-godly and resists 4D abstract erasure.

And again, why would his high-godly be able to regen from history if he never did that and why he does even have High Godly in the first place? Illusory and metaphysical erasure is mid-godly at best, erasing those abstracts characters does not mean much as well since they aren't type 2 concepts

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Mid-Godly is irrelevant since he is getting incaped. He doesnt have resistance to EE in the profile, and its a different ability anyway

 

[XDragnoir]

It is mixed with his Void Hax Resistance, and how is that different?

Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2. Chaos and Entropy are the very ideas of the destruction of physical and ethereal things, generating such phenomena)

This is used in the EE Ain resists.

 

[InfiniteDay]

It is mixed with his Void Hax Resistance, and how is that different?

Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2. Chaos and Entropy are the very ideas of the destruction of physical and ethereal things, generating such phenomena)

This is used in the EE Ain resists.

Doesn't seem to be a resistance, as that is just conceptual manipulation, and not resistance to conceptual manipulation.

 

[XDragnoir]

His 3rd key uses that offensively in it's passive EE, his 2nd key resists said EE (listed as Void Hax resistance).

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

GK doesn't have EE, he just through his presence or gaze atomizes things, even as nonsensical as it sounds, shadows, light, possibilities, things which shouldn't have any atoms to atomize.

His ability has no heat, mass nor pressure, just being their reduces things to particles.

 

[XDragnoir]

At least add the quote for conceptual destruction from the other thread to his page, the current ones have nothing to do with high-godly.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Sure.

Don't remember if the other profiles that have the Green Stones got updated to be able to harm illusions either, it was shown in the Sharnoth Web novel that Green Stones can affect Old Ones who aren't real creatures, just illusions.

Can add that too.

 

[XDragnoir]

That's NPI afaik, even if they are some verse specific illusions, it would just be good NPI, metaphysicals being concepts is all that matters.

 

[00potato]

That still makes no sense.
If it effects things that lack atoms, it can’t be atomization.
It shouldn’t be called that in the profile.

 

[ZackMoon1234]

Damn even after like a few years/months (?) later, Golden King is still a competitor for a Top 5 Strongest...

https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/780235584559251466/801930763167334421/FUCKINGGOOOOOOOOOOO.png

 

[XDragnoir]

H6A isn't that strong of a tier tho, i would like to see he getting a spot in 9B.

 

[Lapsad]

That still makes no sense.
If it effects things that lack atoms, it can’t be atomization.
It shouldn’t be called that in the profile.

I'm curious this too

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

This is getting old, WABS characters do this all the time.

@00potato GK does it from 19:30-21:04, the statement of reducing things to particles comes after he destroyed Nightengale's Critter, which was stated to be reduced to white particles.



Gii does this multiple times to Critters who are stated to be intangible and have no material existence. You can see Gii do this from 46:20-48-30



Note in every single fight with a Critter they are stated to be phenomenon and forms of death, this is very consistent, do you guys want like 3 more videos of Gii doing it before you accept it?

 

[Lapsad]

Q: should GK can atomize NEP type 1 ?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

The Sekime (passive atomization) hasn't been shown to do that, The Grotesque Demonic Hand (hand slap that breaks time itself to attack in an instant) however can destroy that.

 

[Lapsad]

That's a most haxed atomization i ever found