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Addition to Chou Goku's abilities

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Son Goku (Chou)'s Super Saiyan Blue tabber includes "Matter and Soul Destruction via Hakai (Capable of reducing beings to dust and destroying their soul, regardless of their durability)". However, I believe it should also include Immortality Negation (Types 1, 2, and 3), seeing as how it was able to erase half of God Zamasu, bypassing his complete immortality. Beerus and Whis also implied that the Hakai could be used to destroy immortals, which is backed up by Goku's usage of it, further supporting the notion that he has Immortality Negation. So, the ability should look like:

"Matter and Soul Destruction (Capable of reducing beings to dust and destroying their soul, regardless of their durability) and Immortality Negation (Types 1, 2, and 3; Bypassed God Zamasu's immortality. Beerus and Whis implied it could completely destroy immortals) via Hakai".
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Son Goku (Chou)'s Super Saiyan Blue tabber includes "Matter and Soul Destruction via Hakai (Capable of reducing beings to dust and destroying their soul, regardless of their durability)". However, I believe it should also include Immortality Negation (Types 1, 2, and 3), seeing as how it was able to erase half of God Zamasu, bypassing his complete immortality. Beerus and Whis also implied that the Hakai could be used to destroy immortals, which is backed up by Goku's usage of it, further supporting the notion that he has Immortality Negation. So, the ability should look like:

"Matter and Soul Destruction (Capable of reducing beings to dust and destroying their soul, regardless of their durability) and Immortality Negation (Types 1, 2, and 3; Bypassed God Zamasu's immortality. Beerus and Whis implied it could completely destroy immortals) via Hakai".
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God Zamasu has Mid-Godly regen because of Beerus saying he can't kill him.
 
He says he can't kill Zamasu (his body language in the panel seems to imply Beerus was being literal with his usage of "kill"), because y'know, immortality, and then tells Goku not to underestimate him after he asks how he intends on getting rid of Zamasu, with Whis stating that they have something more effective than the Mafuba. This can't be the sealing technique Beerus used on Elder Kai since that's as effective as the Mafuba, and Angels don't have any confirmed counter against immortals, so them referring to the Hakai is the only logical conclusion.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
He says he can't kill Zamasu (his body language in the panel seems to imply Beerus was being literal with his usage of "kill"), because y'know, immortality, and then tells Goku not to underestimate him after he asks how he intends on getting rid of Zamasu, with Whis stating that they have something more effective than the Mafuba. This can't be the sealing technique Beerus used on Elder Kai since that's as effective as the Mafuba, and Angels don't have any confirmed counter against immortals, so them referring to the Hakai is the only logical conclusion.
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The Sealing technique Beerus used should be more effective since it needs no talisman like the Mafuba and most likely doesn't need you to stay stationary.
 
In the next page, after Goku asked Beerus why he never mentioned this convenience before, Beerus mentioned that it's "part of your training", and I doubt Goku and Vegeta's training into godhood involves learning how to seal with the Z-Sword.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
In the next page, after Goku asked Beerus why he never mentioned this convenience before, Beerus mentioned that it's "part of your training", and I doubt Goku and Vegeta's training into godhood involves learning how to seal with the Z-Sword.
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I interpreted what Beerus said as him saying they shouldn't keep asking for help from the gods and figure things out on their own which is their training.
 
Beerus literally says that he has no techniques that can kill imortals in that scan, they implied they had a alternative way to deal with them, they never implied that they could kill him.

zamasu's reaction is because of goku suddenly using a god of destruction ability out of nowhere and said ability working, it doesn't imply that he was actually going to die.

So no, disagree, also it wouldn't negate type 1 or 2 because they are unrelated to this.

Type 1 makes you immune to aging, it has nothing to do with being murdered.

Type 2 just prevents you from dying with normal wounds, you can negate this by simply destroying their body harder.
 
I agree with the OP tbh. Zamasu wouldn't have acted that way if he knew he was gonna survive. He was literatlly feeling that he was being erases from existence hence why he grabbed mai

Beerus and whis have shown to lie to goku and vegeta to make grow further in power numerous times why would this scene be any different especially when beerus or whis wouldnt give 2 ***** since its not their timeline
 
Deako97 said:
I agree with the OP tbh. Zamasu wouldn't have acted that way if he knew he was gonna survive. He was literatlly feeling that he was being erases from existence hence why he grabbed mai

Beerus and whis have shown to lie to goku and vegeta to make grow further in power numerous times why would this scene be any different especially when beerus or whis wouldnt give 2 ***** since its not their timeline
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Why would Zamasu know the limit of his regen?
 
Why are they lying about their own capacities if they have no reason to? If zamasu was a problem and goku and vegeta were dealing with, beerus could either just go and delete the guy or beerus could simply say "not my problem", he later gets defensive about being a GoD so why lie about being unable to do something?

Zamasu's reaction was because of the sudden usage of the ability, and his mid godly regen comes from regenerating from it anyway, there is no reason for him to be scared of being erased if he was actually regenerating, there is no difference between healing half your body or all of it from existence erasure unless it is a stated limit.

Either zamasu's reaction is meaningless or zamasu loses his mid godly regen/his regen becomes limited, you can't say a reaction coming from a surprise attack, which was a mortal using a god's technique, means "he would die"

Also he brought mai for goku to stop it early, they were fighting not testing abilities, it was faster for him to regen half his body than all of it.
 
Erasing half of a being is not Immortality Negation for types 1, 2, or 3. Type 1 only prevents death from natural causes, it's not negated here. Type 2 lets a being survive despite large injuries, Zamasu didn't die so this wasn't negated. Type 3 allows the user to regenerate from death, Zamasu's regeneration wasn't stopped.

None of those abilities should be applied.
 
Oh yeah that too, if it had negation then how come zamasu regenerated to begin with, unless you are saying that the hakai needs to fully erase someone to negate regen, which should not be assumed without evidence.
 
I agree with Agnaa and Ionliosite. We should preferably close this thread.
 
Goku should also have Limited deconstruction, based on what he did to that boulder in this recent chapter.
 
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