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Abstract existence is necessary for this man

Martinngamer

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greetings. lets get started without any delay

watch the director explain that he is the savior of the world, and it is in his nature akin to being the concept of protector



he represents chaos, rage, and uncompromising nature



he is the avatar of rage which is tied to his essence. (essence in DOOM is a conceptual force that governs and sustains all of reality)



once again he is confirmed to be the avatar of rage stated by the director second time for further confirmation of this claim



all of th aforementiond reasons establish that Doomguy represents rage, anger, and the like. after he killed the Dark Lord he seemingly had no further purpose in the world to remain, as the evil was defeated and peace was restored to the world.



note that this is significant in relation to him being the embodiment of DOOM itself

https://youtu.be/AyVGmUuWxnw?t=2426

he is believed to represent humankind's rage and their will to persevere, overcoming anything that threatens their survival.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyVGmUuWxnw&t=2180s

in conclusion we can say that he has type 2 of Abstract Existence. He seamlessly personifies rage and chaos and implements these traits against demons. when the time comes, he will rise again as the protector
 
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Abstract Existence

Abstract Existence is the ability to embody an abstraction, such as a concept, thought, or information, and being immortal thanks to it. This power has a variety of uses, ranging from a high degree of control over the abstraction and its manifestations, the aforementioned immortality, or even...
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Type 1: Exists purely as an abstraction. These characters lack a true physical form, and affecting them requires the ability to affect directly the abstraction itself, because eventual physical manifestations are merely avatars.
Type 2: Embodies an abstraction, and can be resurrected or regenerate indefinitely thanks to it. Destroying the abstraction is required to permanently kill those characters, but they can still be affected without directly altering it.
Do we have any concrete demonstrations of the alleged type other than statements that can be taken as hyperbole or from a narrative standpoint?
 
Firestorm808 said:
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Abstract Existence

Abstract Existence is the ability to embody an abstraction, such as a concept, thought, or information, and being immortal thanks to it. This power has a variety of uses, ranging from a high degree of control over the abstraction and its manifestations, the aforementioned immortality, or even...
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Type 1: Exists purely as an abstraction. These characters lack a true physical form, and affecting them requires the ability to affect directly the abstraction itself, because eventual physical manifestations are merely avatars.
Type 2: Embodies an abstraction, and can be resurrected or regenerate indefinitely thanks to it. Destroying the abstraction is required to permanently kill those characters, but they can still be affected without directly altering it.
Do we have any concrete demonstrations of the alleged type other than statements that can be taken as hyperbole or from a narrative standpoint?
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yes we do have. multiple indications from both the narrative and developer statements that support doom slayer embodying rage and destruction in a conceptual way aligning him with type 2 abstract exis.
he is the avatar of rage and that this essence is tied to him the concept of "protector" is also a part of his nature and represents doom itself "already established all of them'
doom Slayer embodies rage and destruction then as long as these concepts exist he is bound to return similar to how kratos or kishin asura continue to exist because they embody fundamental aspects of their respective worlds.
he doesn’t just use rage 'or whatever' he is rage, he will be alive as long as evil exits because he is a force of nature.
(hyperbole) i brought multiple interviews and even in-game lore and statements to prove that Doom Slayer is a living embodiment of something
 
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Well, this looks like the old type 3 AE the site once had, which was long removed as it granted absolutely nothing to the user. More specifically, does this have any actual use besides simply having a relation to certain ideas? For example, can he come back from "death" and the like with it, or...? To be clear it'd be ideal to have actual portrayals/statements over such capabilities, rather than extrapolating them from merely having an abstract bond.

The OP has no linked time stamps, so I can't really verify much from what has been said in the videos without dedicating way more time, which I lack.
 
Welp, they have spoken. And I am inclined to agree with Bobsican here.
 
Yeah this would need more elaboration. Not really seeing this as AE type 2.
 
Bobsican said:
Well, this looks like the old type 3 AE the site once had, which was long removed as it granted absolutely nothing to the user. More specifically, does this have any actual use besides simply having a relation to certain ideas? For example, can he come back from "death" and the like with it, or...? To be clear it'd be ideal to have actual portrayals/statements over such capabilities, rather than extrapolating them from merely having an abstract bond.

The OP has no linked time stamps, so I can't really verify much from what has been said in the videos without dedicating way more time, which I lack.
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throughout both recent doom games doomguy has been called the destroyer "or the mentioned titles" , bringing the destruction of maykrs. maykrs with divinity machine can see all the infinite outcome future possibilities and timelines with their changes, allowing them to simulate an infinite amount of ways and choose the best way out to save them from this destruction, and among all of them the destroyer was the only constant unchanged and unshaken by the flowing date of endless variability. in other words it doesnt matter what happens to doomguy, it doesnt matter if the maykrs destroy the planet of earth before doomguy is born doomguy will still appear and kick their ass, but doomguy even went further, as the director explained doomguy is a force of nature and an eternal force with a purpose that being killing demons because thats how nature moves forward therefore doomguy is unkillabe and will always comeback for more. you can even kill his pregnant mother and he still will find a way to be born. thats why he lost his consciousness at the end of the last game, his mission was done and finished by killing the dark lord.

additionally these skins are canon to the game. doomguy being brutalized and a walking zombie but hes still fighting demons.



and yes doomguy died once in an old doom game shown here:


(inform me if links arent working)
 
Bobsican said:
So... passive Fate Manipulation towards such destiny?
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already has fate manip on the page but regrading AE, i suppose we can assume that he embodies rage? like Kratos for example as long as hope exists he exists as well.
 
Well, it's not really explained in a way to give Doomguy AE, it seems more like something to merely list out as a semantic for the Fate Manip as this simply doesn't fit the current definition for either AE type on the site.
 
Bobsican said:
Well, it's not really explained in a way to give Doomguy AE, it seems more like something to merely list out as a semantic for the Fate Manip as this simply doesn't fit the current definition for either AE type on the site.
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yeah and i dont know what else to bring. you asked for further info, and i even provided a scene of his death. he is alive even as a brutalized zombie. this is even more developed compared to characters like kratos which is simply stated that as long as hope exists he is alive too and the same applies to doom slayer, as long as rage exists, he exists as well.



however this is the criteria:


Embodies an abstraction, and can be resurrected or regenerate indefinitely thanks to it. Destroying the abstraction is required to permanently kill those characters, but they can still be affected without directly altering it.



therefore, doom slayer embodies rage if we dont make my explanations complicate. i could've solely brought the director saying he's chaos and rage but no i went further.
 
Well, I'd rather wait to see what others think, usually AE is meant for more direct involvement on this sort of stuff (aka, actively sustaining/complementing the character's conciousness).
 
Looking at the latest addition.

I bit dubious whether he actually died or not since the HP didn't go straight to zero. But nonetheless

I can see merit of it being possible

Although it most likely do not have regeneration to such extent.
If he really did die at that moment and wasn't just knocked out.

His body is mentioned being moved in a place swarming him at the epilogue.

The zombie argument one is a bit loose since the mention regarding skins being canon is just them choosing preference rather than actually him going back from dead.

Is there any other instances where Doomslayer may have died or at least coming back alive?

Although if his body remains (which function as the avatar) he wouldn't really be granted regeneration that most avatar of abstracts do and just being able to resurrect from the dead.

His existence being put to rest when there is no more conflict and demons to slay seems to imply that indeed the abstract do have some influence towards him as the embodiment

TLDR : it likely qualifies in the resurrection part but not regeneration. Neutral atom since I still have reservation whether he actually died in the old games
 
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