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About Stomp matches

Overlord775

Overlord775

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1. A character needing to act OoC to have a chance to win should be decleared a stomp:

imagine a 6-B character vs a 10-B skilless character who will 0.01% of the times use an ista soul screw

The second character has a way to win, but he will win only 0.01% of the times.

and i dare anyone to say that a character winning 1 time out of 10000 battles makes a match fair.

2. A standoff where one character has a 100% chance of shooting first should be decleared a stomp

Imagine a standoff between a psycher and a gunner.

The psycher just need to thinks once to mindhax the gunner, while the latter has to think about shooting, pull up the gun and then shoot.

100% of the time the psycher will get his stack in first and thus will aways win.

Thus in no scenario the gunner will win and the match is a stomp.
 
I think the former is fine. A stomp is when someone can't win, not when they just won't. If a character had a mode to victory, whether it be using range or a power or some technique but they lose due to not using it too often, too bad for them.

I don't really have an opinion on the second tbh, but I wouldn't exactly consider it a "notable victory".
 
1: It's not exactly fair, it's what we call a Decisive Win. It's not a stomp, because it's character 2's fault for not opening with what allows them to win

2: This makes sense
 
Wokistan said:
I think the former is fine. A stomp is when someone can't win, not when they just won't. If a character had a mode to victory, whether it be using range or a power or some technique but they lose due to not using it too often, too bad for them.
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If your chances of winning are astronomically low they may as swell be 0
 
No, that is litirally wrong. A character not taking the chance they have at winning and them dying before they can even harm the enemy is completely different.
 
Except, they're not. Like you said, if a character only uses their winning move 0.01% of the time, then they technically still have a way to win. It's just very, very unlikely for them to use it.

Still, I'd consider that Decisive rather than a Stomp as well.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
If one or both characters have to act out of character for one character to have one scenario in which they win that is not decisive that is exploiting astronomically low odds to call a match fair.
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Brring. Brring.

Hello, Quote vs. Mami called.
 
Something being a stomp is not equatable to it being fair, and something not being a stomp is not equatable to fair.

And "both characters have to act out of character" is not accepted, I already told you this and when I asked you when this happened, you didn't give me any exemples.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Starter If that happened in that match then yes that match is a stomp
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Then talk to Kaltias about it then, since they were the one who gave it the green light.
 
Only through basic statistics such as AP or speed, or otherwise hax. If there is a feasible way to win, even if it's a very microscopic chance, then it's considered a very extremely decisive match, not a stomp.
 
Overlord775 said:
A ridiculustly unfair battle is the definition of a stomp
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No, it isn't.

A Stomp thread is when one character is immediately able to win against another, whether it is via battlefield removal, incapacitation or killing, with the opponent having no chance to retort with their own abilities or statistics

So what you are arguin is to change the definition of a stomp, and in that case you actuall yneed to explain why someone loosing because they are too stupid to use their powers properly is not something that can be added.

Or I guess every Giglamesh match ever gets removed because he only looses due to not using his powers properly.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
No, it isn't.

A Stomp thread is when one character is immediately able to win against another, whether it is via battlefield removal, incapacitation or killing, with the opponent having no chance to retort with their own abilities or statistics

So what you are arguin is to change the definition of a stomp, and in that case you actuall yneed to explain why someone loosing because they are too stupid to use their powers properly is not something that can be added.

Or I guess every Giglamesh match ever gets removed because he only looses due to not using his powers properly.
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I want to change it because it's flawed, as the earth's heroes had a 0.5% chance of beating IG Thanos doesn't make that battle less of a stomp.

also Gilgamesh is a bad exemple, as every match he lost he had a decent chance to win.
 
Overlord775 said:
I want to change it because it's flawed, as the earth's heroes having had a 0.5% chance of beating IG Thanos doesn't make that battle less of a stomp.

also Gilgamesh is a bad exemple, as every match he lost he had a decent chance to win.
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They don't. There is one way for them to win, and that 100% happened because of strange. Once they'll win, they'll be the ones that stomped. Also, you saying it's a stomp litirally means nothing since you refuse the definition of the word.

Your exemples are far worse. There is no reason to not add a match because a character is too stupid to do something.
 
Overlord775 said:
I ment the OG infinity war battle
the one in the comics

not the movie version
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Thanos is still bound to loose eventually because that what having a complete gaunlet means.

And by tecnicalities there was still a tier 0 making sure that he looses regardless. It's what happens when you take fights that are canonically decided by fate or plot.
 
Stop going around the point

the point is not who won at the end

the actual battle was a complete and utter massacre were Thanos casually jobbed untill he won.

also you aren't even making good points for the rule to not be changed

"The character is dumb because he isn't a murderhobo that spams his most powerful ability"

is the only reasoning anyone gave
 
A decisive victory is not a stomp for the first example it's decisive as both characters have a wincon just one character wins the overwhelming majority of the time the second example is a stomp though even the page about stomps says that
 
So you are saying that every decisive victory should be removed because the character that lost had a small chance to win instead of an equal chance

That's rediculous if both characters have a 50/50 chance it's incon as you can't really tell who wins

If one character wins more times than not how is that a stomp that just means that the winner had a higher chance to win
 
We call a match decisive when a match is decisive. There's no favoritism going on here. The Stomp page literally says:

A Stomp thread is when one character is immediately able to win against another, whether it is via battlefield removal, incapacitation or killing, with the opponent having no chance to retort with their own abilities or statistics.

If they have a chance, even if it's a small one, then it's decisive.
 
@Paul No, what he's saying is in a case of the Avengers where the odds of them winning were 1 out of 14 million, the fight against Thanos would not be considered 'decisive'. We're arguing against matches with similar odds being considered fair under the guise of being 'decisive'.
 
Overlord, stop using the word stomp.

The litiral definition of it contradicts you. You can't decide what a word means.
 
@Paul

Every match where one of the two character has an astronomically low chance to win should be removed

to be fair a match one of the two chracters should have at least a 3% to 5% chance to win

@Started

and that's why i want to change it

because it's dumb that if one character has the odds gargantuasly stacked against him the battle in not considered a stomp

@Ricsi

Make good arguments for why i should

the definition is currently wrong IMO
 
You can't use a word to describe something, and then say that you used the right sword, but it's just it's definition that is wrong. That would be like me claiming the sky is green, and then saying taht the definition of green is wrong.

And the "good argument for is should" is that an character having flaws that make them loose despite being able to win does not fit the definiton of a stomp, and I don't need to give reasoning to why not accept a change like this, you need to give reasonings to why a character being stupid is enough to not add a match when they could win.
 
Decisive: able to make decisions quickly and confidently, or showing this quality

or

strongly affecting how a situation will progress or end

-Cambrige dictionary

When something is decisive it doesn't mean is nigh-absolute result

Also apparently "Not spamming their most powerful ability at the start of every battle" is the definiton of "Stupid" to you

characters that do that are the exception, not the rule.
 
Decisive stands for the fact that you can decide quickly and confidently who wins. T he you stands for whoever is voting, obviously.

In a battle to the death, it is stupid. But I already repeated the other reasons like pride and such for why someone wouldn't use them, and I don't find the need to repeat it over and over.
 
In most "decisive" battles one of the characters istantly wins with a one attack/ability, which doesn't leave the opponent the chance to use thier most powerful stuff

and no, not using your most powerful stuff at the beggining of a fight is a thing of like 85% of all characters
 
Overlord775 said:
I most "decisive" battles the opponent wins with a single attack, which doesn't leave the opponent the chance to use thier most powerful stuff
and no, not using your most powerful stuff at the beggining of a fight is a thing of like 90% of all characters
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That is not what is being discussed here. I don't care about what "most" do. If the enemy looses without getting the chance to even activate their hax, it's a stomp, and the "most" are plain wrong. If the enemy has a chance to use it but doesn't, the first part of your comment is a non sequitur at best and red Herring at worst. And doing so in a battle to death is stupid regardless. You would be surprised by how stupid and illogical 90% of those verses act.
 
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