About Immeasurable speed interacting with Acausals beings, and about passives

[TheUnshakableOne]

1.) Do passive abilities affect a being with immeasurable speed, or can an immeasurable speed being outrun instant passive hax?


2.) What if both beings above had their speed equalized? Do the passives work, or do they both outrun instant passive hax?


3.) can someone who is above baseline infinite speed outrun instant passive hax?


4.) If an acausal being is not affected by changes to the future, and past. That would mean the only way to fight them is in the present correct? How would that work when fighting someone with immeasurable speed? Would the immeasurable speed being have to fight them in the present, and would he/she be at "Infinite Speed" compared to the acausal being (with finite speed)?


5.) Use the same example as question 4 but instead the acausal being does not exist in the future, or past but exist only in the present moment?


6.) Using the examples in 4 and 5. How would the immeasurable being interact with the instant passive hax of the Acausal being? if the only way to fight them is in that present moment?


7.) If a character has to move at a finite speed before they become infinite, or immeasurable speed. For example, a character has to move to light speed then exceed it to become infinite, or immeasurable speed. Does that mean there is a limited window of time a character has before a potential lolstomp speedblitz?


8.) using the example from question 6. Would something like that need to be noted in the weakness section on a profile?

9.) Are temporally omnipresent character faster than passive abilities?

 

[Rikimarox2]

Not sure about 3 to 7, but for 1 and 2:

1. Iirc, yes. Immeasurable can be faster than passives, not to mention they can dodge attack that have already been hit.

2. I believe passives will work in a speed Equalized match, yes.

 

[Thelastmlg]

For the unanswered ones:

3. As far as we know, there is no above baseline infinite speed and beyond.

4. Acausality doesn't give speed, so they'd be infinitely faster, and immensurables can attack at any point in time so yes.

5. Same.

6. They outrun them and hit them in the present from the past or future, they don't need to go there if they have ranged attacks.

7. doesn't sound combat applicable, but if it is a speed amp then yes, so lon as it isn't in a speed equalized match.

8. just "needs to build up speed" works.

9. Yes, they are immensurable characters on steroids.

 

[Rikimarox2]

For number 3, I believe we do have characters who are "infinitely faster" than infinite speed.

Edit: Found the character.

 

[Thelastmlg]

Doesn't sound like something that comes ups on matches or whatever, aside from sounding ridiculous, several characters in infinite and immensurable blitz each other, some even gain amps, and i have never seen one that actually blitz another in a match nor a system mentioned in the wiki.

If infinite speed and beyond have blitzes and higher levels of infinity, there should be a note on the speed page about this.

Also "futher infinity" just sounds like getting faster with flowery talk but whatever.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

It's not common. That's for sure

 

[Secretly_domain]

So for the number 4
Immesureable speed or blitz can actually defeat acasual user?

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

So for the number 4
Immesureable speed or blitz can actually defeat acasual user?

Acasual does not really protect u from speed, it does give some hax resistance, like fate hax, precog, casuality etc.

 

[Secretly_domain]

Oh so time doesn't effect on acasual?

 

[Cloozuma]

I'm late, but for 3, Passives are baseline Infinite, so being above baseline infinite would make the character outrun passives.

 

[manu_zarri]

1.) Do passive abilities affect a being with immeasurable speed, or can an immeasurable speed being outrun instant passive hax?

That's case-by-case, sone passives are even irrelevant
if the passive is instantly, just being above instantly is enough

2.) What if both beings above had their speed equalized? Do the passives work, or do they both outrun instant passive hax?

Passive work

3.) can someone who is above baseline infinite speed outrun instant passive hax?

As i said in first message, yes if it's only instantly.

4.) If an acausal being is not affected by changes to the future, and past. That would mean the only way to fight them is in the present correct? How would that work when fighting someone with immeasurable speed? Would the immeasurable speed being have to fight them in the present, and would he/she be at "Infinite Speed" compared to the acausal being (with finite speed)?

that's for type 2,4,5 only. ok now basically it comes really controversial, though vsbw already answered to this

Note 7:
"
For more information, Infinite speed characters are so fast, they move faster than time can flow at any period. They perceive every finite speed character as completely frozen and it takes 0 time to react to any finite speed object or travel finite speed distance. They can also perform and infinite number of actions or travel infinite distance within a finite amount of time. An infinite speed character's perception of time only flows when they allow it to flow.

Immeasurable speed characters are far beyond even those Infinite speed characters listed above. They perceive infinite speed characters as completely frozen, and they can travel forward and backward in time at will. They have to speed necessary to hop from the beginning of time, to the end of time, and anywhere in between as casually as a human being can roll their eyes left or right. This also means their reaction time is faster than instantaneous. They can dodge an attack that already has been struck, and they can strike someone even before they launched an attack. And they can do all of this via sheer speed."

5.) Use the same example as question 4 but instead the acausal being does not exist in the future, or past but exist only in the present moment?

that's just acausality type 2, same answer as before

6.) Using the examples in 4 and 5. How would the immeasurable being interact with the instant passive hax of the Acausal being? if the only way to fight them is in that present moment?

So since vbsw treat them as seeing infinite as totally frozen, they can still blitz

7.) If a character has to move at a finite speed before they become infinite, or immeasurable speed. For example, a character has to move to light speed then exceed it to become infinite, or immeasurable speed. Does that mean there is a limited window of time a character has before a potential lolstomp speedblitz?

enrico pucci is an example, basically

8.) using the example from question 6. Would something like that need to be noted in the weakness section on a profile?

nope

9.) Are temporally omnipresent character faster than passive abilities?

if 4D omnipresent then yes
if you meant omnitemporal then yes.