Abe

[Blackcurrant91]

This has probably been debunked before but why does Abe have High 8-C ap when the video that justifies it clearly shows it takes 6+ mudokens to create a storm of the size that gives him the AP (he doesn't participate in it himself either)

I wanted to make a profile for Stranger from strangers wrath and I just noticed this was kind of weird.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Abe_(Oddworld)

 

[Dark649]

Ten of them were able to manifest the thunderstorm required to save their pal, so individually High 7-C+ seems fine.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

so the thunderstorm is 10 times baseline feat or? what if the spell literally require 10 mudokens to activate?

 

[Dark649]

Manifesting a storm requires 9.63982388237265 Megatons, so i divided that with the number of the Mudokens required which was ten.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Interesting. I guess that's how they came up with it in the first place. What if they literally can't manifest a storm untill there is 10 of them though?

 

[KaiokenBlueGT]

Tbh, I found it quite weird myself when I looked at his profile.

Abe is pretty weak generally and is able to put down from nearly everything. Regular bullets, grenades, bats (yes, bats) , etc.

His durability is also wrong as well. It's claimed on his profile that he "possibly survived the destruction of SoulStorm Brewery", but it is said by Abe in the exact same scene where this statement was made that he "got out of there just in time", meaning he didn't tank nor experience getting hit by the explosion. It wouldn't make sense if Abe is able to be killed from grenades by Flying Sligs but yet can survive the Brewery's explosion on his own.

However, I suppose the Tier can be justified with the Shrykull, so most likely scenario is that we'll have to split him into two keys.

As for a suggested tier for Base Abe, I'll need to look into that further.

 

[Dark649]

Interesting. I guess that's how they came up with it in the first place. What if they literally can't manifest a storm untill there is 10 of them though?

I think that's the case.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Isn't 'at least High 8-C' like massivly high balling Abe then?


Abe clearly doesn't tank the soulstorm brewery explosion either. If you to go to 4:18 in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2c9qUHTuk0 he clearly escapes via a bird portal before the cutscene plays.

 

[KaiokenBlueGT]

I wouldn't say so for the Shrykull, though even that we'd still need to look into.

For Base Abe, most definitely.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Yeah I think High 8-C Shrykull is probably accurate. He is is basically a demi-god and probably the means via which Mudokens can even create a storm via chanting (My headcannon) big face and other mudoken shamans can bestow abe with the ability to transform into him as well (he is the only Mudoken in history who can channel him entirely)

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Base abe is very weak physically. He can Knock down sligs but it literally does zero damage to them. I can't think of his best physical feat of the top of my head. I think he def should have a base key much weaker then High 8-C.

Should abe have some sort of Immortality/Regenerationn? Abeis seemingly able to disperse into birds upon death and reform at a previous location. Mudokens are said to have evolved from birds, is the only mention of this I can find in the lore. I might do some digging.

 

[KaiokenBlueGT]

For Immortality/Regenerationn, I'm not all that sure. Perhaps to kill Abe entirely you'd need to kill all of the birds? As I said before, I'm really not sure about this.

In fact, I really don't know what to classify him dispersing into birds and then reforming would be equal to, maybe we could ask around and see what opinions people give?

 

[Blackcurrant91]

It's an interesting power. I think it's sort of implied due to being the Messiah the Mudoken spirits keep him alive. I would say it's a combination of ressurection/Regenerationn via blessing but that's my best guess and I obviously don't want to speculate.

Also Shrykull best feat is vaporising a bunch of sligs and bombs casually and one at a time which is a bit weird.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

For durability for base Abe. It's noted that Mudokons evolved from birds and have hollow bones and are thus extremely fragile to crushing/blunt damage. I would say base Mudokons would be below average human level durability honestly. Abe is seemingly quite sturdy in cut scenes (falling down a cliff/getting shot out of a mine shaft and landing on a large bone and being fine) but in game he is almost instantly killed by anything that touches him (even bats as you noted)