A tier related question

[FTW395]

What tier would a person be who manages to destroy a single universe that has infinite timelines?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Destroying the space-time of the universe, regardless of the number of timelines, is still Low 2-C. Destroying all of said infinite timelines is 2-A.

 

[FTW395]

Destroying the space-time of the universe, regardless of the number of timelines, is still Low 2-C. Destroying all of said infinite timelines is 2-A.

I'm still a bit confused, let's just pick the Dragonball Multiverse as an example. We know that the Dragonball Multiverse has 12 unique universes. Now let's imagine every single one of those unique universes have infinite timelines. What would the tier be for a person who'd destroy just a single unique universe and all it's timeline variants, like for example the 7th Universe and all it's timelines (the future trunks timeline etc) and what would the tier be for a person who'd destroy all the 12 unique universes with their timelines?

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Destroying the universe regardless of timelines as said by azathoth is still low 2-C you have to explicitly destroy the timelines to be 2-A if they're indeed infinite.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I'm still a bit confused, let's just pick the Dragonball Multiverse as an example. We know that the Dragonball Multiverse has 12 unique universes. Now let's imagine every single one of those unique universes have infinite timelines. What would the tier be for a person who'd destroy just a single unique universe and all it's timeline variants, like for example the 7th Universe and all it's timelines (the future trunks timeline etc) and what would the tier be for a person who'd destroy all the 12 unique universes with their timelines?

High 2-A to low 1-C, iirc. That's only if the timelines are explicitly infinite and they are all simultaneously destroyed.

 

[FTW395]

Destroying the universe regardless of timelines as said by azathoth is still low 2-C you have to explicitly destroy the timelines to be 2-A if they're indeed infinite.

So destroying an infinite amount of timelines = 2-A, what would tier be of a person who can destroy more than one multiverse? (So more than 1 "Infinite Timelines" sounds kinda dumb, but you get the point)?

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

So destroying an infinite amount of timelines = 2-A, what would tier be of a person who can destroy more than one multiverse? (So more than 1 "Infinite Timelines" sounds kinda dumb, but you get the point)?

Depends if the multiverse is our regular 10^500 then destroying it would be 2-B .How much more do you mean?

 

[FTW395]

Depends if the multiverse is our regular 10^500 then destroying it would be 2-B .How much more do you mean?

I think Azatoth got it right. I'm still referring to an infinite amount of universes, so a multiverse. But then destroying more than just one multiverse what tier would that make you?

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

I think Azatoth got it right. I'm still referring to an infinite amount of universes, so a multiverse. But then destroying more than just one multiverse what tier would that make you?

A multiverse of infinite universes oh well that would still make you 2-A destroying infinite 4-D space still makes you 2-A.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

i really hope that the db multiverse gets expanded to that level, it would be awesome!

 

[FTW395]

I think Azatoth got it right. I'm still referring to an infinite amount of universes, so a multiverse. But then destroying more than just one multiverse what tier would that make you?

A multiverse of infinite universes oh well that would still make you 2-A destroying infinite 4-D space still makes you 2-A.
Oh so even if you destroyed 2 Multiverses (infinite universes), you'd still be 2-A?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I think Azatoth got it right. I'm still referring to an infinite amount of universes, so a multiverse. But then destroying more than just one multiverse what tier would that make you?

Destroying infinite universes/timelines = 2-A

Destroying infinite^2 universes/timelines = Low 1-C

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

I think Azatoth got it right. I'm still referring to an infinite amount of universes, so a multiverse. But then destroying more than just one multiverse what tier would that make you? A multiverse of infinite universes oh well that would still make you 2-A destroying infinite 4-D space still makes you 2-A.
Oh so even if you destroyed 2 Multiverses (infinite universes), you'd still be 2-A?

Yes because infinity=infinity infinite 4-D space still equals infinite 4-D space unless I'm missing something.No matter the amount of 4-D space you're able to destroy you won't be rated high 2-A as 5-D characters are.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Destroying infinite universes/timelines = 2-A

Destroying infinite^2 universes/timelines = Low 1-C

Isnt Infinite^2 still logically well infinity?

 

[FTW395]

Well now we have two conflicting opinions, Azatoth saying it's Low 1-C and you saying it's high 2-A. Honestly high 2-A would make more sense. Because how would you otherwise classify a person who's able to destroy 2 multiverses, but this time the multiverses only have 1000 universes each.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Shit, that was supposed to be infinity^infinity lol.

Either way, it's just meant to respresent a higher degree of infinity, which cannot be reached by the previous degree of infinity no matter how far it is stretched.

 

[FTW395]

Shit, that was supposed to be infinity^infinity lol.
Either way, it's just meant to respresent a higher degree of infinity, which cannot be reached by the previous degree of infinity no matter how far it is stretched.

That's indeed true, so does that make it low 1-C? If so then what if every multiverse only consists of 1000 universes. What tier would you be if you were able to destroy 2 of these multiverses?

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Well now we have two conflicting opinions, Azatoth saying it's Low 1-C and you saying it's high 2-A. Honestly high 2-A would make more sense. Because how would you otherwise classify a person who's able to destroy 2 multiverses, but this time the multiverses only have 1000 universes each.

Zeedmilliniumon is able to destroy 3 million universes which should be well above 2 thousand and he's still rated 2-B.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

That's indeed true, so does that make it low 1-C? If so then what if every multiverse only consists of 1000 universes. What tier would you be if you were able to destroy 2 of these multiverses?

Still 2-B, as the "multiverse" basically just acts as a bubble which contains said universes, and two of them together would still only equal 2000 universes.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Shit, that was supposed to be infinity^infinity lol.

Either way, it's just meant to respresent a higher degree of infinity, which cannot be reached by the previous degree of infinity no matter how far it is stretched.

Ah I see that makes sense and that the same time doesn't tbh infinity is pretty much a contradiction.It shouldn't have higher bounds given that it's endless.

 

[FTW395]

That's indeed true, so does that make it low 1-C? If so then what if every multiverse only consists of 1000 universes. What tier would you be if you were able to destroy 2 of these multiverses?

Still 2-B, as the "multiverse" basically just acts as a bubble which contains said universes, and two of them together would still only equal 2000 universes.

Oh I expected the power to destroy these multiverses to also be a higher degree of infinity, because of it still being between two individual multiverses. Regardless of their size/

 

[Antvasima]

It depends what kind of multiverse it is (it could be anywhere from simple 5-Dimensional to 26-Dimensional), and whether the greater amount of multiverses are lined up along an extra dimensional axis, or just situated next to each other in the same dimensional space.

For example: If two multiverses each containing 10^100 universes are situated next to each other in the same 4-Dimensional space, that still counts as 2-B. If they are situated next to each other along an extra 5-Dimensional axis, that counts as High 2-A.

However, all of this is a bit iffy, as even smaller collections of 4-D universes could likely technically be situated along a 5-Dimensional axis in relation to each other, so our tiering system is not perfect in this area.

It can be hard to gauge the exact limitations of where 4-D stops and 5-D begins, but given that 5-D is infinitely higher than 4-D, it seemed most logical to rate this as High 2-A.

DarkLK and A6colute likely understand the distinctions considerably better than I do.

 

[FTW395]

Hmm the being known as Demigra from the Dragonball Franchise was casually destroying countless of timelines (IIRC). What tier does that make him?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Hmm the being known as Demigra from the Dragonball Franchise was casually destroying countless of timelines (IIRC). What tier does that make him?

At least 2-B, presumably. However, Demigra seems kind of like a glass cannon, so I'm not sure it'd scale to his durability. Just the potency of his hax.

 

[Antvasima]

2-B. But as Azathoth said, at best it would strictly be a glass cannon hax ability, and I vaguely recall seeing an explanation that he was simply destroying a library wherein each of the books (scrolls?) symbolised a timeline and would cause it to vanish if destroyed. Hence, any building level character could do the same thing. It would be akin to throwing a matchstick into a multiverse-sized gasoline tank and claiming to be multiversal.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

2-B. But as Azathoth said, at best it would strictly be a glass cannon hax ability, and I vaguely recall seeing an explanation that he was simply destroying a library wherein each of the books (scrolls?) symbolised a timeline and would cause it to vanish if destroyed. Hence, any building level character could do the same thing. It would be akin to throwing a matchstick into a multiverse-sized gasoline tank and claiming to be multiversal.

This is true. His regular combat stats seemed to be closer to 3-B/3-A, as he was able to briefly hold his own against Beerus and the PC in his first form, and became more powerful in the second.

 

[FTW395]

2-B. But as Azathoth said, at best it would strictly be a glass cannon hax ability, and I vaguely recall seeing an explanation that he was simply destroying a library wherein each of the books (scrolls?) symbolised a timeline and would cause it to vanish if destroyed. Hence, any building level character could do the same thing. It would be akin to throwing a matchstick into a multiverse-sized gasoline tank and claiming to be multiversal.

Are you sure that the time vault is just a library where timelines are located? Because when looking at other people their opinions about Demigra they tend to have him as Multiversal.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I think that I heard it from DarkLK, but I am not well informed about the issue.

Regardless, if Demigra could just erase countless timelines by himself with a thought without equipment, there would logically not even have been a story in the game.

People who wish for Dragon Ball characters to be excessively powerful recurrently tend to grasp at anything, regardless if it makes sense or not.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Are you sure that the time vault is just a library where timelines are located? Because when looking at other people their opinions about Demigra they tend to have him as Multiversal.

Isn't that exactly what you do in Xenoverse (been a few months since I last played, and way back in launch week since I completed story mode)? You open up a scroll which contains a timeline and travel into it, right? Yeah, Demigra should likely have hax that can affect the multiverse, but he's definitely not that high in regular combat statistics. He's like the Haruhi Suzumiya of Dragon Ball.

 

[FTW395]

Well, I think that I heard it from DarkLK, but I am not well informed about the issue.
Regardless, if Demigra could just erase countless timelines by himself with a thought without equipment, there would logically not even have been a story in the game,

People who wish for Dragon Ball characters to be excessively powerful recurrently tend to grasp at anything, regardless if it makes sense or not.

Well that's because Dragonball is one of the most downplayed verses there is . For a dragonball character to be powerful everything has to be right and one has to give a shitton of analysis for it to be accepted. While in the mean time you a 3-B mario who can casually be killed by a 10-C level being (a Goomba yes).

 

[Oblivion00]

I'd say Demigra would be similar to Janemba. Janemba is Tier 3-C in reality warping but it isn't useful for combat purposes hence why he is only 4-A when fighting someone.

 

[FTW395]

I'd say Demigra would be similar to Janemba. Janemba is Tier 3-C in reality warping but it isn't useful for combat purposes hence why he is only 4-A when fighting someone.

Honestly that might be the case, I myself haven't played Dragonball Xenoverse either so I don't know in what way Demigra was destroying timelines. I'll try to get information on this subject though.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Honestly that might be the case, I myself haven't played Dragonball Xenoverse either so I don't know in what way Demigra was destroying timelines. I'll try to get information on this subject though.

I'm fairly certain it was some Omega Shenreon negative energy shiz, IIRC. Like, he was causing the timelines to become damaged and all apart. Regardless, he should probably be around Beerus level in combat. Beerus was confident he could take him, but at the same time, he never saw Demigra's true form, which heavily increased his power. However, even full power Demigra was beaten by the PC, though that's no small feat, since the PC overpowered a casual Beerus and Whis in training (which is more than Goku's ever done).

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

I can go with what Oblivion said. Like Demigra can physically be Tier 3-B/3-A by virtue of briefly holding his own against Beerus, but have Tier 2 hax by messing with the timelines(i forgot what his plan was to do with the DBZ timelines was so my bad on this potential mistake).

Is that what he could be listed as?

 

[Antvasima]

Again, if he could erase timelines by himself without chain reaction equipment, there would not even have been a game. He would just have erased everybody and everything and that would have been it, so likely not.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Again, if he could erase timelines by himself without chain reaction equipment, there would not even have been a game. He would just have erased everybody and everything and that would have been it, so likely not.

There's also the fact that IIRC, Demigra himself does not transcend time.

He was initially going to win, but Toki Toki sent the PC back in time and gave them a second chance.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Okay got it. So it's Tier 2 with prep then, yes? Think i got it this time, plus you have him physically being 3-B/3-A.

 

[Antvasima]

2-B with chain reaction equipment, not on his own.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

2-B with chain reaction equipment, not on his own.

That's kind of what i meant by prep, but okay.

 

[Antvasima]

Still, given that the continuity of Xenoverse is iffy, since it mixes DBS and DBGT, I dunno if we should create the profile. I previously deleted it because it would likely turn confusing.