A MINOR REVISION FOR ILLAH and magi gods

[PrinceofPein]

So right here on Illah's profile and the God's pages there is NEP type 2 with no justification.
And from what I can remember illah or the gods has no such thing as NEP2, so the NEP2 will be changed to NEP1, with this Scan as justification and maybe the one about him existing as Rukh

 

[Lormac_CC]

Rukh is concept type 1
llah existed without rukh. According to thoes who had become part of him, they where phantom.

 

[Rabbit2002]

From what i know, the scan NEP2 is inside II ILah ( chapter 345 )

 

[PrinceofPein]

Rukh is concept type 1
llah existed without rukh. According to thoes who had become part of him, they where phantom.

You need to prove his is existent and non existent at the same time this is not nep2

 

[PrinceofPein]

From what i know, the scan NEP2 is inside II ILah ( chapter 345 )

Seen this and none of it is NEP2

 

[Lormac_CC]

You need to prove his is existent and non existent at the same time this is not nep2

Don't get this part

 

[Lormac_CC]

Seen this and none of it is NEP2

 

[PrinceofPein]

Don't get this part

Okay for you to be NEP2, it is so absurd, in a way that you are existing and at the same time not existing.

Illah or the gods trapped as phantom were not that as they were still existing.

NEP2 is so weird that there is no way I can explain it, but the thing is you must not truly exist to qualify for this, or you should be just complete nothingness or something like that

 

[PrinceofPein]

I know this scan, and them.having no rukh in their bodies does not and would not grant NEP2, simply being some sort of ghost should not be this is nep1

 

[Lormac_CC]

Okay for you to be NEP2, it is so absurd, in a way that you are existing and at the same time not existing.

Illah or the gods trapped as phantom were not that as they were still existing.

NEP2 is so weird that there is no way I can explain it, but the thing is you must not truly exist to qualify for this, or you should be just complete nothingness or something like that

Nonexistent Physiology refers to the ability to paradoxically 'exist', yet lack any identifiable traits of existence, or exist outside of a particular scope of 'existence'. While true nonexistence in the philosophical sense is impossible to prove, lesser forms of the idea appear often in fiction.

 

[Lormac_CC]

NEP is to exist but lack trait of Existence

 

[PrinceofPein]

Nonexistent Physiology refers to the ability to paradoxically 'exist', yet lack any identifiable traits of existence, or exist outside of a particular scope of 'existence'. While true nonexistence in the philosophical sense is impossible to prove, lesser forms of the idea appear often in fiction.

Then we have type 1 and 2.
This is type 1

Material Nonexistence: The lack of any conventional existence. Such a character will exist as something beyond the normal scope of the physical and metaphysical worlds, instead existing as an idea or other unconventional state. Such entities can be conceptualized by individuals, but do not exist in a physical or normal metaphysical form, such as a soul. In terms of binary, this would be a 0, where existence is 1 and nonexistence is 0.

This is what they qualify for

 

[Lormac_CC]

Then we have type 1 and 2.
This is type 1

This is what they qualify for

The reason why they are 2 is because they exist even without rukh. Both Solomon and Arba stated that returning to rukh is returning to nothingness. If gods exists purely as rukh, then it would be NEP type 1. But llah and the others exists without it

 

[PrinceofPein]

The reason why they are 2 is because they exist even without rukh. Both Solomon and Arba stated that returning to rukh is returning to nothingness. If gods exists purely as rukh, then it would be NEP type 1. But llah and the others exists without it

Existing without Rukh still does not qualify for NEP2, as they are still actually existing as phantom not that they no longer exist

 

[Rabbit2002]

NEP2 is nonexistence at concept level. Ruhk is conceptual and return to ruhk is become nothingness at concept level

 

[Lormac_CC]

Existing without Rukh still does not qualify for NEP2, as they are still actually existing as phantom not that they no longer exist

Tried looking for the meaning of phantom and I got this

used to describe something that you imagine exists or that appears to exist, although in fact it does not

 

[PrinceofPein]

NEP2 is nonexistence at concept level. Ruhk is conceptual and return to ruhk is become nothingness at concept level

Return to rukh means losing your consciousness and getting erased actually so I don't think anyone should even get anything based on returning to rukh as it is usually taken out of context.

And yes not just nothingness you need to also exist at the same time. Seriously NEP2 is weird.

Tried looking for the meaning of phantom and I got this

used to describe something that you imagine exists or that appears to exist, although in fact it does not

Yes, something akin to a ghost

 

[Lormac_CC]

Ghost is quite different here

 

[PrinceofPein]

I am saying it is similar to ghost and in almost any context it means the ghost of something

 

[Lormac_CC]

I am saying it is similar to ghost and in almost any context it means the ghost of something

I wouldn't liken it to ghost, because in another translation it says illusion. That they are like illusion

 

[PrinceofPein]

I wouldn't liken it to ghost, because in another translation it says illusion. That they are like illusion

Being an illusion is still just type 1, as it falls under existing as an unconventional state

 

[Lormac_CC]

Being an illusion is still just type 1, as it falls under existing as an unconventional state

It wouldn't change the fact that they are there on a conceptual level

 

[Tarang123]

Conceptual nonexistence is type 2 via being neither 0 nor 1. Anyway, defending side needs some scans for rukh’s conceptual nature.

 

[Lormac_CC]

Conceptual nonexistence is type 2 via being neither 0 nor 1. Anyway, defending side needs some scans for rukh’s conceptual nature.

Honestly conceptual nature of rukh has been bothering me. It seems we will need to make a revision on that before we get into this

 

[Tarang123]

Honestly conceptual nature of rukh has been bothering me. It seems we will need to make a revision on that before we get into this

So…should this be held off for some time before that conceptual existence revision can be made?

 

[Lormac_CC]

So…should this be held off for some time before that conceptual existence revision can be made?

Yes

 

[PrinceofPein]

It wouldn't change the fact that they are there on a conceptual level

You will need prove of them being none existent conceptual, I.e. they lack concepts or something similar

 

[Lormac_CC]

You will need prove of them being none existent conceptual, I.e. they lack concepts or something similar

Right now rukh is taken as concept type 1. They clearly lack rukh

 

[PrinceofPein]

Right now rukh is taken as concept type 1. They clearly lack rukh

Lacking rukh =\= not existing

 

[Tarang123]

Lacking rukh =\= not existing

Depends on how Rukh even works. If it works like some kind of all-encompassing "thing", then it should qualify as some kind of nonexistence type 2 (with some more context) or at least type 4 acausality.

 

[Star_King_Veldanava]

If this is really revised, it's not just for Il Ilah but all Gods

 

[Cloozuma]

The moment I saw the title I began switching religion

 

[Tarang123]

The moment I saw the title I began switching religion

lol

 

[Star_King_Veldanava]

In my opinion, illusions/phantom are just metaphors. Called illusions because they (in the realm of il ilah) basically non-exisntance aka unreal

the main point is that there is no Rukh

 

[Lormac_CC]

Depends on how Rukh even works. If it works like some kind of all-encompassing "thing", then it should qualify as some kind of nonexistence type 2 (with some more context) or at least type 4 acausality.

That is how rukh works. It even affect laws

 

[PrinceofPein]

Depends on how Rukh even works. If it works like some kind of all-encompassing "thing", then it should qualify as some kind of nonexistence type 2 (with some more context) or at least type 4 acausality.

Yes this is how rukh works, it is everywhere and in everything.
So basically they were yeeted to the a space of illah and in that place they had no rukh in their body.

So of anything it is NEP1, or it can be NEP2 but it will only be restricted to illah realm

 

[PrinceofPein]

Like a serious bump

 

[Lormac_CC]

Right let get back,
So you do agree that they are existing without Rukh(concept), but your problem is that they exist not as a void but as illusion/Phantom and those usually qualify for NEP 1

 

[PrinceofPein]

Right let get back,
So you do agree that they are existing without Rukh(concept), but your problem is that they exist not as a void but as illusion/Phantom and those usually qualify for NEP 1

Yes that's the problem

 

[Star_King_Veldanava]

In my opinion, illusions/phantom are just metaphors. Called illusions because they (in the realm of il ilah) basically non-exisntance aka unreal

the main point is that there is no Rukh

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