A Chinaman fights an Elder Lich

[InfiniteSped]

The almighty Zhao Wugang vs An invincible Elder Lich

Both 9-A. SBA otherwise

 

[Deleted member 2530]

Zhao Wugang seems to resists most of the Lich's abilities and shkuld have higher AP scalong from Meng Hao. Does he get the transformation too?

 

[Zaratthustra]

Well, they AP is more or less almost equal as Zhao is 0.23 (even if he scales higher) tons while Lich is 0.22 tons. Both are also equal in speed.

A key factor for Zhao is his Were-Demon transformation which augments his power and speed.

A key factor for Lich I think its his summoning as he get 4 Skeleton Warriors and maybe Negative Touch and or Magic Arrow.

 

[Apeironaxim]

Spiritual Pressure (Grants Explosion Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Durability Negation, Power Nullification, Statistics Reduction, Paralysis Inducement, Fear Manipulation).

doesn't Iguva just get passively power nulled and soul haxxed?

 

[InfiniteSped]

It's kinda crappy at this level, it won't null someone as powerful as him, and prob not someone who isn't a cultivator, and the soul hax isn't worth mentioning.

 

[Apeironaxim]

unless i'm blind, i don't see a resistance to fear manip for Zhao

also, isn't his transformation 7-B?

seems like he just needs to transform and then GG

at the very least, it's a 3 times increase, which seems like too much for Iguva to handle

even assuming he could outrange Zhao the entire time and spam Fireball, that at least 3 times dura advantage might outlast Iguva's mana, which would then make him helpless

 

[Nepuko]

Just commenting on some stuff.

@InfiniteSped

> and prob not someone who isn't a cultivator

That is equalized via SBA. Why do you think Thanos can use his stone, or Genjutsu works on pple with no chakra.

Also the reason it dosen't really work on cultivators of the same levels is because they gain resistance as they grow stronger. It's a "universal" thing. When it's about other verses thoug, they have to show said resistance for it to not work. Equalization via SBA would make it possible for abilities to work on non-cultivators, for genjutsu to work on chakra-less people, but the opponents would not get the perks of chakra or cultivation. Which in this case, is "resisting powernull if you're at the same level".

So powernull would work afaik. Or else everybody would resist Bleach's Spiritual Pressure if they're the same level in AP.

I agree more or less with the rest. Soulhax isn't worth mentioning since can't really do it ranged, but each hit -which ofc contains Qi- should also normally strike at his opponents' soul. Relatively speaking and compared to higher levels it's crappy, but Early True Breaths fingerpoke Ancient Martial dudes to death, which fingerpoke mortals to death. So if the opponent truly has no soul manip resistance and his soul isn't really "thougher" than a normal mortal, i.e it's a "baseline" soul, he's kinda done for at some point. And since we don't really know the potency methinks, even tho it should be more than enough to instakill a mortal in body and soul, I guess we can saveball it to "his opponent's soul will be rekt at some point via attrition."


@Apeironaxim

I suppose the AP part wasn't done well, and for that we apologize, but no it dosen't mean that he's 7-B with the transformation. I guess it should be smthing like :

"At least 9-A, likely 7-B. Higher with Wereworld transformation."

His 7-B tiering is a "separate" tier.

 

[Apeironaxim]

so, Iguva does get passively power nulled?

i mean, it's labeled as an Aura, so i assume it's passive. Correct me if i'm wrong though

 

[Nepuko]

Probably. Or at least severely weakened.

Here's some quotes I could find about the Aura-related powernull stuff :

''The moment his feet touched down, Wang Tengfei lifted his right foot, and suddenly the entire platform began to vibrate with a loud hum as if some sort of blast was accumulating from all corners. Wang Tengfei didn't move, but the massive invisible force shot toward Yin Tianlong. When he saw this, Yin Tianlong's face changed. Wang Tengfei had not even moved, yet the massive pressure bearing down' on Yin Tianlong was already making it difficult for him to circulate his spiritual energy.'

His body seemed as if it were about to disintegrate, his bones about to shatter. He felt a massive pressure trying to force him to kneel. His body shook, but he gritted his teeth and stood there, ignoring the pain in his bones."

Some Dura Neg just because :

Eyes glittering, Bai Xiaochun reached out with this left hand, moving like lightning as he grabbed the scorpion's tail. Then he smashed it against the stone wall of the cave. At the same time, he sent some spiritual power into the scorpion's body, to its weakest spot, which he crushed.

 

[Apeironaxim]

ok, what's the range of it?

his Range section only talks about his sword

 

[Nepuko]

Also, does Elder Lich resist sealing? Cultivators can seal via cultivation base and injecting Qi/Cultivation base power.

Though, I think it will be hard to casually do in a fight maybe? But it's there.

Also, cultivator attacks and Qi in general are invisible to non-cultivators. They also get passive Invisibility and if they will it can bypass lower-leveled cultivators' enhanced senses and extraordinary perception, and be completely invisible and unnoticed by them.

But eh, I don't wanna push it so if Iguva can see stuff that is normally invisible to other normal people, we can prob ignore that part. (tho it can be argued)

 

[Nepuko]

For the range, I do not know since the dude is a scrub without divine sense. But unless @InfiniteSped has info from AWWP or remembers early ISSTh stuff, I'd go the safe path and assume he should prob be relatively close to Iguva for it to work.

 

[Apeironaxim]

afaik Iguva can't see invisible things

ok, so Iguva gets power nulled or severely weakened, dealing with an invisible guy with invisible attacks that can seal and soul damage him, dura neg, and Zhao can amp his strength and speed by a minimum of 3 times

Iguva literally stands no chance from what i can tell

his fighting style of just abusing his range and spamming fireballs and such won't matter to someone who's invisible and is at least 3 times faster

 

[Nepuko]

Hm. I see Iguva has Summoning, do you think he can summon something that can help him here?

 

[Apeironaxim]

he can summon 4 undead skeleton warriors who can fight another 9-A comparable to him, but they can't see invisible things either and are also mindless

 

[Nepuko]

I see. And I guess he can always transform if he ever found himself in that situation as well....

Well, Zhao gets my vote I suppose.

 

[Apeironaxim]

would this be a stomp?

Iguva can't even see Zhao due to invisibility, can't see his opponent's attacks, is at a minimum of a 3 times speed and AP disadvantage, power nulled so he can't even use his magic to attack anyway, no answer to dura neg, and would lose in CQC due to sealing and soul hax

also, sealing doesn't seem to be on the profile, but i assume that was forgotten

i can't see a single instance where Iguva wins

 

[Nepuko]

Yes it would be a stomp since Iguva seemingly has no wincon.

Wait, what about Iguva's Fear Manip?? How does it work, and can it completely incapacitate? hopefully I'll find quotes to counter that, but chances are I don't so there's still a chance for Iguva. Perhaps.

 

[Apeironaxim]

"You fool! Know fear! ÒÇîScareÒÇì!"

Zaryusu's vision shuddered. He began to wonder where he was as a nameless terror bloomed within him, and he felt as though something was going to lunge at him from the side.

He stopped in his tracks. The ÒÇîScareÒÇì spell had shaken his heart and kept his legs from obeying him. His mind told his legs to move, but his heart would not allow his body to take a step.

here's how it works

wouldn't matter though, hard to target someone with a spell when you can't see them, even more so when you're power nulled and can't use it anyway

 

[Nepuko]

Aite, thanks.

Hm, yea. Seems to be a stomp in favor of Zhao then.

 

[Nepuko]

Also from these quotes :

"The first five floors don't contain the spells he wants… The sixth floor requires the willpower of a Void Tribulant cultivator. This Wang Lin hasn't reach the Void Tribulant stage, but his body has a lot of secrest. Perhaps he can enter the sixth floor...

Wang Lin didn't speak. He looked at the stairs to the seventh floor and frowned. One would likely need the willpower of a mid stage Void Tribulant cultivator to reach the seventh floor. It would be very difficult for Wang Lin.

it seems that willpower indeed increases with cultivation. If you didn't understand, what was said above is equivalent to "He has the willpower of a level 900. He needs the willpower of a level 925 to tread on this abyss formation", etc.

So while I do not to what extent, Zhao should resist Fear Manip at least quite better than the average, normal man.

 

[Apeironaxim]

fyi, if he does have Sealing, it's not on his profile

 

[Nepuko]

I'll add Sealing and Willpower manip to his profile then. Thanks for notifying.