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A Captain "Endeavors" to Defeat the Number 1 Hero
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Hibana has the AP advantage on this one, though Endeavor has the edge in durability and stamina.
With that said, I think Hibana takes this due to being able to shut off Endeavor's flames, which nullifies most of his ap and his lack of resistance to Heat Syncope.
With that said, I think Hibana takes this due to being able to shut off Endeavor's flames, which nullifies most of his ap and his lack of resistance to Heat Syncope.
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They’re actually equal. Endeavor scales to AFO’s air cannon with its enhancements vs All Might, not his base one which was 6.3 kilotons. Hibana scales above 10 kilotons going off the scaling chain. So the AP difference is negligible. Her not having resistance to heat is also quite an issue.
Endeavor has resistance to flames over 2000 degrees Celsius in temperature, and constantly overheats himself with flames far surpassing even that with his flashfire attacks. I doubt her attempts to smother him in heat will do much considering just how high his resistance is.
Doesn’t her ability specifically counter powers from external sources? Is she able to just turn his quirk factor off and stop him from producing heat? Because all of Endeavor’s attacks are from him, not from him igniting the air or any other source.
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Yeah, she used it on Shinra and extinguished his flames, which are generated from his feet.
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Isn’t that indicative that his fire relies on something separate from himself? He “ignites” his feet from what I’m seeing, which isn’t what endeavor does. Endeavors flame comes directly from inside his body and bursts out of him, he doesn’t “ignite” anything.
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I suppose the “ignition” for endeavor would be the inside of his body, probably where his quirk factor is, and then the flames just pour out through his skin with whatever force he wants. Either way, she shouldn’t be able to not make him produce flames unless she can make his quirk factor not give him the ability to produce them.
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I would very much care to disagree with that assertion. Endeavor only ever counters a blast shown to be far lower in scale than the attack that was used against All-Might or even the first one. So he should only scale to 6.3 kilotons. He's definitely the weaker one here.
And the issue for endeavor here is one, her powers were already shown to work on someone with either comparable or greater heat resistance, Shinra.
And while she can't turn off his quirk, the fact that his fire will be outside of his body means its also up to get neutralized by her dropping or raising the temperature around him. Which can also make him overheat faster and drain his stamina even more.
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If we’re really going to be debating his AP, this fight doesn’t even matter since he’s going to be upgraded to Low 7-B from revisions. Also, that just means she’s potentially 2x him in AP, which in cases like this doesn’t mean anything when factoring in his resistances and stamina. What matters is her being able to not make him produce flames or the heat illusions.
How high was Shinra’s heat resistance at the point in time she used this ability on him?
Is the assumption here that there is no way for him to counter her lowering the temperature around him? That sounds like an NLF, he should be fully capable of hearing the air back up. How does she stop a Karmic Raze fire tornado? Or a Hell’s Curtain? Not to mention he is still a person that can move, so nothing she does is really stopping him from getting close to her outside of trying to smother him with heat, which would just mean he can blast her with his fire again.
So she either has to try and cool the temperature around him down to weaken his flames getting to her but not the flames around himself, which he can counter by reheating the area, or try to smother him in heat through his resistance, but leaving his ability to fire back at her or move quickly unhindered. Either of these options are things Endeavor can figure out given his incredible intellect as a hero, and her abilities outside those two options aren’t anything he shouldn’t be able to handle with sheer resistance or mobility.
Also, make him tired from overheating? Endeavor has just recently shown how far he can go with overheating himself constantly while taking damage higher than his durability, his stamina is immense and more than enough to handle whatever Hibana is attempting. The better question is her own stamina given Endeavors incredibly high AoE and that she DOESN’T resist fire.
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Also, can we discuss the range difference here? Endeavors attacks can cover almost a hundred meters of area, while her range seems to just be several meters? If he’s outside her range and just blasts her with high temperature flash fire AoE, what is her answer? Lowering the temperature around herself would only work momentarily considering he can blast Flashfire several times, and I doubt she can just no sell a prominence burn due to cold temperatures.
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Wait, Shinra’s profile says he was completely unaffected by Hibana’s illusions. Wdym she has affected someone with potentially higher heat resistance than Endeavor?
