8-C Haxless Bracket Round 1: Dongtae vs Riolu

[TriforcePower1]

How is this any different from Jotaro?

 

[FloweryAlex]

How is this any different from Jotaro?

It's almost like that got answered multiple times.

 

[Bobsican]

How this isn´t a stomp in that case? The time ability seems to be a big hax factor in that case, which likely should make him banned in the tourney if I´m right.

 

[FloweryAlex]

How this isn´t a stomp in that case? The time ability seems to be a big hax factor in that case, which likely should make him banned in the tourney if I´m right.

That was... answered too.

He doesn't one-shot, and when he hits Riolu will become able of moving with him in time stop. Time slow is not that decisive, since it din't show any really drastic changes either.

 

[Bobsican]

How much the time slow slows down an opponent?

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Dongtae's time manip is way different from Jotaro's anyway

 

[FloweryAlex]

He doesn't one-shot, and when he hits Riolu will become able of moving with him in time stop. Time slow is not that decisive, since it didn't show any really drastic changes either.

There is no set number. We just know that it slows people.

 

[Bobsican]

I mean, time slow can range from just 0.75 the original speed to a pseudo time stop, meaning that it´s a big factor needed to know.

Any approximate at least?

 

[FloweryAlex]

The pseudo timestop kinda goes out with the "didn't show any really drastic changes" part. I'd say at most 0.5, tough likely less.

 

[Bobsican]

Speed stat amplification to counteract it are nulled by speed equalization?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Nope. Speed amp is still something Riolu can do.

 

[Bobsican]

Then Rioly can quickly balance it out with Agility, likely even moving first while in the time slow as it´s boosted by Prankster.

Riolu has the advantage in that case, especially considering he can spam ranged homing attacks like Aura Sphere.

 

[Crimson_Azoth]

Range won't help him here. Dongtae will already have gotten in close to stab him which is what breaks the time stop. At at point, Dongtae is within melee range, and Riolu can't break away from the fight to spam range due to speed equalised

 

[Bobsican]

He can with Detect, as it allows him to quickly dodge incoming attacks, especially considering Pokémon in his category can jump very high, enought to quickly keep distance.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

You mean the thing he needs to activate before Dongtae thinks Time Stop?

 

[Bobsican]

No, that was probably Protect, they work very differently. One allows to tank attacks, the other allows to dodge attacks.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Riolu ain't dodging a sword that is already moving and touching him when time stop ends... At least not in a speed equal scenario.

 

[Bobsican]

Detect has worked on foes´ attacks that were faster than the user, so it´s safe to say that he can dodge it.

 

[DontTalkDT]

He wouldn't even have the time to react and, following that, activate the move before the sword is a few centimeters into him, in a speed equal fight.

 

[Bobsican]

His precognition would basically make him be able to react, and Detect has shown to work on attacks that close:

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

He still needs to activate it, and you ignored my own answer to that even if he dodged.

Grace has ended.

 

[Bobsican]

We don´t even have 7 votes yet...

Also, he activates it with a thought.

PS: I thought I already answered that in the reply I did right below that.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Crimson, Me, Litentric, DontTalk, Cueio, Wright, Flowery, Pixel, Xtasy. Nine votes.


And no, you did not counter the main reasons for him, specially Flowery pointing out that Dongtae just stops again.

 

[Bobsican]

How this isn´t a stomp in that case, then again?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

That was... answered too.

He doesn't one-shot, and when he hits Riolu will become able of moving with him in time stop. Time slow is not that decisive, since it din't show any really drastic changes either.

A single hit from Time Cutter will hurt like hell, but worse case Riolu looses a limb.

 

[The_Smashor]

I'll add this to their profiles since Grace is over.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Do the next fight before it reaches Grace, only after 7 votes.

 

[Jimboydejuan12]

im here too vote Dongtae for FRA.

 

[The_Smashor]

Grace is already over.

 

[Antoniofer]

Grace is in case they are people voting the opposite character, if is unanimous do not require grace.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Grace is in case they are people voting the opposite character, if is unanimous do not require grace.

There was a crt to make grace a thing even if unanonimous to stop blindless fra's getting it added before any discussion can be had.

 

[Antoniofer]

Oh, didn't known about... In that case I guess I added the round 2 a bit too soon...

 

[Jimboydejuan12]

K Antonifer.

we no need to CRT but did Grace begin.

 

[The_Smashor]

Grace begun over 24 hours ago, meaning grace is over.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Tfw I said not to use Riolu and to use another baby instead as Lucario was a massive presence in the other thread, but people used Riolu anyway.

Oh, and Dogtae takes this low diff.

 

[Jimboydejuan12]

Grace begun over 24 hours ago, meaning grace is over.

What say you did least start since Grace begun now?

 

[The_Smashor]

You don't need to announce Grace. Dongtae has 9 votes and has had them for a while now.

 

[Jimboydejuan12]

Agree.