666 Satan: Jio Freed Upgrades

[Wade_Kali_Strine]

I am wondering why the Universal statements for Jio Freed are not accepted on this site.

Also, I think his abiliites list and stats need to be updated by quite a bit even if you don't accept those statements. As we all know, Satan is Multi-Continental . However, Jio doesn't just have his power. Jio himself managed to match and overpower Sata . That means he was already at least roughly equal to Satan. Multi-Continental + Multi-Continental just based off of that. Then it was confirmed later that he gained the power of everyone on the planet, shown in the bottom left panel of this page . I own the official translation, and that one makes it quite clear that he gained everyone's abilities too.

So, I believe Jio needs to be updated in DC and abilities. Also, I would like to know why his Universal statements are denied here. Thank you very much.

 

[Alakabamm]

What universal statements? Could you post them please.

As for the multi-continent thing, it is linked in the profile already and all the ends are continent level by our scale. You can change his second form durability though I guess.

If he has more abilities, feel free to add them if you like.

 

[Wade_Kali_Strine]

There were multiple statements throughout the series that came from high class scientists in the verse which said that Shin had the power of the big bang. Perhaps the most important statement comes from Satan, who had studied Shin for hundreds of years and had a complete working knowledge of it's systems. He said that Shin was the "Beginning" and later explains that he is referring to the big bang . He then explains that Shin is made to gather all of the energy in the universe together and reproduce the big bang . Again, in the official translation they even explain that this happens on a conceptual level, not even just a physical. There are statements before this one too, but this one is the most reliable because of the source.

I saw that it was linked, but the fact that those numbers should be doubled because of Satan + Jio being a thing makes it move up 1 spot on the DC chart.

I've never edited a profile before. Lol. I guess I'll have to figure out how!

 

[Alakabamm]

It says he was created to gather the energy...did he ever actually end up gathering the energy? How would you know?

Could you explain the doubling thing?

 

[Wade_Kali_Strine]

No, it says that Kabballah was created to assist Shin in doing that. Shin had the power already, it just couldn't be activated. Satan and his colleagues were trying to control Shin and use it to it's full power. Jio was the only one every able to activate Shin and control is completely using the Freedom Program. It is explained that Jio was made to control Shin. He then says that he has full control of Shin.

The calc accounts for Satan's power. Jio was able to match Satan in power. Jio at FP has the combined power of himself AND Satan. I'll put it like a formula.

Satan = Continent +

Jio = Satan

Therefore, Jio = Continent +

Full Power Jio = Jio + Satan

Therefore, FP Jio = (Continent +) + (Continent +) or 2*Continent +

You get what I mean?

 

[Alakabamm]

So the three forms are: Jio, Satan Jio, and Shin Jio. And they are continent+, multi-continent and universal+?

That sounds fine, but you need more staff opinions I guess.

 

[RavenSupreme]

sounds massively outlierish to me

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the 3-D energy of a universe, or a big bang, only counts as multi-galaxy level by our system, as it is much harder to destroy all of the matter in a universe, than to spread it out in the first place.

Nevertheless, even if he was potentially able to gather all of the energy in the universe, but had only proceeded far enough to defeat Satan, that would only land him on Continent level for the moment. Perhaps "6-A. Possibly potentially 3-B via statements"?

 

[RavenSupreme]

i agree with ant. it would be a similar description as we have with https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Adam_Arclight

adam arclight, who also gets the "3-b" via statement, but in battles its rarely used, except in speculation matchups

 

[Akuto_Sai12]

It would be low 2-C not 3-B since this Big Bang also includes time and space if you've read the scans he posted and having that energy doesn't make it speculation so I'd say likely is the better option instead of possibly but that's just me

 

[Antvasima]

Well, this seems to be one of those cases when a fiction does not match our tiering system.

All of the energy in the Universe combined is 3-B according to our standards, but creating an entire space-time continuum is Low 2-C as you say. The question is which of these conflicting statements that we should go by?

 

[Lina_Shields]

Speaking of the big bang, check out this page here.


It states that when the big bang occurs, it first creates time, space, and the stars. Considering the big bang also creates time as well, this would mean that the big bang would not only create all matter in the universe, but also an entire space-time continuum.

Low 2-C should be the appropriate tier for this feat.

 

[Inoue211]

I haven't read much of 666 Satan but going by all the scans posted I agree with the OP.

Also don't see anything conflicting, those scans clearly say that the big bang created time, space and stars. Which means it's not 3-B but 2-C.

But like I said, i'm just going by the scans posted.

 

[RavenSupreme]

but it didnt happen. is it stated somewhere: i have enough powa to rek u and create a new universe or similar?

 

[Antvasima]

Okay then. Low 2-C it is.

The problem is that the scans in question are talking about gathering up all of the energy in the universe, and treating this as possessing power enough to create an entire continuum, whereas I have read that a big bang is created when 4-Dimensiomal branes in a higher-dimensional structure tub against each other, but never mind. Let's keep things simple.

 

[Alakabamm]

Well, it looks like Ant agrees on it. Raven, do you need to see scans of it being used in combat or a full universal statement? There was apparently some reality warping that went on at the end of this series so maybe someone who knows more can direct us to that.

 

[Wade_Kali_Strine]

but it didnt happen. is it stated somewhere: i have enough powa to rek u and create a new universe or similar?

That was stated in the scans already shown. He clearly woudn't do it though because he didn't want to kill everyone in the verse.

 

[Wade_Kali_Strine]

So the three forms are: Jio, Satan Jio, and Shin Jio. And they are continent+, multi-continent and universal+?
That sounds fine, but you need more staff opinions I guess.

Yes, that's pretty much it.

Ant and you agreed, so can I just make the changes?

 

[Alakabamm]

Yes, go ahead

 

[Wade_Kali_Strine]

Done.