2 Hard to kill characters duke it out

[Setsuna_tenma]

Hatou vs Dream Devourer Lavos

speed equalized

Low 2C version

 

[Lancer45Man]

Hatou's clairvoyance and info analysis instantly allows her to understand about Lavos and OBSERVES

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

after see this thread

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

bump

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Lavos absorbs

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Hatou nulls lavos before also how is lavos going to deal with type 9 immortality

 

[DMB_1]

I like how she lacks a verse of origin. Also, I don't get how that type 9 works.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

they have basically the same deal of "iinfinite alternate clones to fall back on" and i don't think Lavos can absorb something that doesn't exist

 

[DMB_1]

1) To my knowledge, he actually can.

2) Lavos has the same gimmick.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Hatou can kill all the infinite lavos.Can lavos kill all the Hatous though?

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

1: ok

2: that's what i just said boi

anyways, give me some time to look through Lavos' wall of **** u

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

uh

Lavos clone and Omnilock spams across space and time?

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

uh
Lavos clone and Omnilock spams across space and time?

Hatou can deal with the clones

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

ok

Lavos doesn't resist prob manip

so Hatou GG i guess

 

[GyroNutz]

Lavos also has 2-A growth, and Hatou can't deal with being absorbed, which is pretty much instant

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Lavos also has 2-A growth, and Hatou can't deal with being absorbed, which is pretty much instant

Lavos will get killed before he becomes 2A or absorbs hafou.Hatou can just use info analysis on lavos learn about him and kill him before he gets a chance to anything to hatou.

 

[GyroNutz]

By the time Hatou's analysed Lavos and processes what to do, he's absorbed. People need to stop treating stuff like Precognition + Info analysis as if the character knows what to do before the battle even starts

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Her clairvoyance and info analysis will help her and it does not take too much time

Clairvoyance and Information Analysis (Hatou is able to understand everything about any person, event, theories, concept,etc even though she never saw or heard about them previously)

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Hatou's probability manip is some bs

she can use it to give herself new powers

 

[Lancer45Man]

Hatou is Non-Existent+Has Type 3 Acausality+Is a Type 1 Abstract+Type 2 Conceptual Embodiment+Has 2-A Powernull+Quantum Manipulation+Probability Manipulation+Omnipresent

Don't see Lavos bypassing that.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Remember when matt said "Any character that has a powers and abilities list bigger than your mom is suspect of being wanked."


I feel like that applies here

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

you can check the thread about your powers if you want

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Lavos' list is like 2 - 3x large than Hatou's

sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[Lancer45Man]

Having a bigger wall of text Ôëá being stronger than your opponent

If that was the case then Bill wouldn't have had so many losses

 

[GyroNutz]

Hatou is Non-Existent+Has Type 3 Acausality+Is a Type 1 Abstract+Type 2 Conceptual Embodiment+Has 2-A Powernull+Quantum Manipulation+Probability Manipulation+Omnipresent
Don't see Lavos bypassing that.

Ok now you're just listing powers. Lavos can deal with non-existance and type 1 (i think), has pretty much the same type 3, Hatou's omnipresence isn't bigger than Lavos' range. The rest either needs to be activated or won't help here, and given that Hatou uses info-analysis first, he won't be activating first

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

gonna elaborate on me points for a moment

Hatou wins via Probability Manip (Which she can use to give herself new powers and basically guarentees that she will eventually win as Lavos doesn't resist it), 2-A power null (This shoots down pretty much any possible method of Lavos to kill her) and being even more obscenely hard to kill

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Lavos does not have concept manipulation.You need conceptual stuff to affect type 1 abstracts

 

[GyroNutz]

Her probability manip is just her selecting one of infinite timelines from what I can tell. Won't work all that well against someone who exists in infinite timelines.

 

[Lancer45Man]

Lavos has never dealt with Type 1 Abstract Existence or Type 2 Conceptual Embodiments. Iirc he never dealt with any concepts in both games from what that Madoka vs Lavos Redux thread said.

 

[Lancer45Man]

Her Power Null is just her Quantum Manipulation that collapsed all infinite possibilities for the Universe into 1 Universe and Nullifying herself completely so that only 1 Universe remained with everyone being normal including her.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Then why isn't she 2-A?

 

[The_Causality]

^Yes, Lavos never deals with Concept, he eat Non Existence for breakfirst tho

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

^Yes, Lavos never deals with Concept, he eat Non Existence for breakfirst tho

so that deals with..................................

a third of Hatou's stupidly hard to kill-ness

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

If lavos didn't have conceptual stuff then he shouldn't be beating the worm I thought lavos could eat concepts?

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Then why isn't she 2-A?

she does that with hax

 

[RKGenki]

Her Power Null is just her Quantum Manipulation that collapsed all infinite possibilities for the Universe into 1 Universe and Nullifying herself completely so that only 1 Universe remained with everyone being normal including her.

Isn't that like

The same way Lavos was defeated in canon? Lol

 

[GyroNutz]

Sounds like the type of hax that would translate to AP. A Low 2-C that can collapse infinite timelines sounds reaaally weird

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Her Power Null is just her Quantum Manipulation that collapsed all infinite possibilities for the Universe into 1 Universe and Nullifying herself completely so that only 1 Universe remained with everyone being normal including her.

Isn't that like

The same way Lavos was defeated in canon? Lol

it was actually a bit different.All universes were merged on a higher dimensional plane

 

[The_Causality]

so that deals with..................................

a third of Hatou's stupidly hard to kill-ness

Non Existence Erasure is Concept manip? you learning me thing bud'

 

[Lancer45Man]

It's actually the same thing with Heaven Ascension DIO where hax comes into play for her 2-A rating. In this case however, Hatou didn't destroy the Multiverse, simply just chose to ignore that there's any Infinite number of Universes which caused the Multiverse to become a Universe since all the universes existing became possibilities and then all formed into one.

Here is the thread where High 2-A rating was discarded initially by Celestial: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1451935