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Discussion Rules on the Instant Death Verse
Permission from @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless
I really didn't want to do this but after typing out an unnecessary rebuttal for almost an hour I feel like someone had to do this. So here goes nothing;
Firstly the verse is deemed controversial and rightfully so. However things have been hectic recently. I will be very direct and blunt here, new threads directly addressing previous topics that were rejected are continuously being made, now the problem isn't with that. There's nothing inherently wrong with attempting to upgrade a verse by addressing previous debunks, the problem is with the fact that most of these "upgrades" don't address the previous debunk in the OP or anywhere else for that matter and most of the time, someone else has to step in and address the previous debunks and help OP in multiple aspects whether it be getting the relevant scans or forming the necessary arguments. Now again there's nothing wrong with one verse supporter helping someone "new" and unfamiliar with our standards orwell according to them they aren't. The problem is that the OP is, in most cases, severely low-quality and inadequate.
I will go through every single recent CRTs to demonstrate my point.
Proposal:
I recommend adding this rule
Reasoning;
To sum everything up recently a huge quantity of threads are being spawned with the intent of redoing the past revisions which were mostly accepted with little to no opposition and quite frankly these new threads are hastily prepared and suffer from many things such as
Acceptable Threads;
Another thing I want to add as a closing statement is that a maximum of 3 Open CRTs are available for a verse yet somehow ID had at one point 5 ongoing CRTs (here, here, here {this would have been still open if Robo didn't ask staff to close it, keep in mind OP didn't agree to closing it}, here and here)
Also, I know that someone willstrawman misunderstand me but I didn't say that all of the above threads are "low quality" or at least I don't think they are aside from the plot one that is.
Another Clarification: I have nothing against the OP of these threads, I don't wish to report him or accuse him of any malicious wrongdoings whatsoever, however given the state of the verse and the recent influx of new revisions I believe that it's necessary to limit the number of topics being discussed at a time to ensure that all of them are properly evaluated and that they aren't perpetually stuck in Limbo forever.
That's all thanks.
Agree: (8) @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless, @Antvasima, @Reiner04, @Planck69, @TWILIGHT-OP, @DarkDragonMedeus, @SomebodyData, @Just_a_Random_Butler
Disagree: ()
Accepted (8) - 0
Permission from @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless
I really didn't want to do this but after typing out an unnecessary rebuttal for almost an hour I feel like someone had to do this. So here goes nothing;
Firstly the verse is deemed controversial and rightfully so. However things have been hectic recently. I will be very direct and blunt here, new threads directly addressing previous topics that were rejected are continuously being made, now the problem isn't with that. There's nothing inherently wrong with attempting to upgrade a verse by addressing previous debunks, the problem is with the fact that most of these "upgrades" don't address the previous debunk in the OP or anywhere else for that matter and most of the time, someone else has to step in and address the previous debunks and help OP in multiple aspects whether it be getting the relevant scans or forming the necessary arguments. Now again there's nothing wrong with one verse supporter helping someone "new" and unfamiliar with our standards or
I will go through every single recent CRTs to demonstrate my point.
This thread in particular had very little substance despite being a 1-A thread but considering that this was the literal first thread I don't think that this in any way qualifies as substantial evidence but do keep in mind that even in this discussion (lasting for five pages) there wasn't a singular argument that addressed the downgrade. furthermore the amount of out of context scans and the fact that OP is simply not engaging in good faith is astonishing however again I don't believe that this is malicious.
A recent addition to this gallery, the OP contained one scan which isn't even an accurate translation and never addressed the debunk claiming it was for "Plot Manipulation" and not "Resistance to Plot Manipulation" again I don't blame him for this because the thread nuked Plot as a metaphysical aspect along with Yogiri's Resistance as well instead making it Resistance to Fate Manipulation however I still believe that as a new member he isn't aware of our standards which is why he made this mistake. That's one part of the story, the other is that if you have noticed most of the actual arguments for the thread come from within the thread by other members (here, here, here and here)
Someone actually said the same thing as me after which the creator updated his OP.
Although the argument dragged on for 14 pages and OP refused to shift from his viewpoint, continuously proposing tiers saying that staff accepted them, when they were straight up dismissed by staff amongst other issues. The OP iirc was still "acceptable" but this still was far from being decent as again most of the arguments came from other members somewhere in the 14 pages (here, here, here, here and here.)
Clarification: I am not attempting to slander the OP or say that he didn't "contribute" to the thread, nor am I saying that other verse supporters can't contribute to the thread. I am saying that most of the contribution was done by other members with said contributions being very significant for the proposal in the OP and that these contributions were scattered throughout 14 pages, something which is far from ideal.
This one really doesn't suffer from "lack of scans" but this still suffers from two major problems
(Sukuna providing evidence for CM-2, Another supporter writing the justification, Mods agreeing with said justification & here, other supporters addressing the issue, Discussion about the new justification & here.) Whereas OP keeps going on a tangent about something that's continuously being rejected (here, here and here)
Clarification:
This is in no way a report directed at the OP, the OP has every right to not concede and to discuss with the mods and suggest proposals in his thread however when the actual proposals that end up getting accepted are not contributed by the OP it starts to become an issue and a recurring one at that.
A recent addition to this gallery, the OP contained one scan which isn't even an accurate translation and never addressed the debunk claiming it was for "Plot Manipulation" and not "Resistance to Plot Manipulation" again I don't blame him for this because the thread nuked Plot as a metaphysical aspect along with Yogiri's Resistance as well instead making it Resistance to Fate Manipulation however I still believe that as a new member he isn't aware of our standards which is why he made this mistake. That's one part of the story, the other is that if you have noticed most of the actual arguments for the thread come from within the thread by other members (here, here, here and here)
Someone actually said the same thing as me after which the creator updated his OP.
Although the argument dragged on for 14 pages and OP refused to shift from his viewpoint, continuously proposing tiers saying that staff accepted them, when they were straight up dismissed by staff amongst other issues. The OP iirc was still "acceptable" but this still was far from being decent as again most of the arguments came from other members somewhere in the 14 pages (here, here, here, here and here.)
Clarification: I am not attempting to slander the OP or say that he didn't "contribute" to the thread, nor am I saying that other verse supporters can't contribute to the thread. I am saying that most of the contribution was done by other members with said contributions being very significant for the proposal in the OP and that these contributions were scattered throughout 14 pages, something which is far from ideal.
This one really doesn't suffer from "lack of scans" but this still suffers from two major problems
- Not addressing the debunk
- Providing little to no substance
(Sukuna providing evidence for CM-2, Another supporter writing the justification, Mods agreeing with said justification & here, other supporters addressing the issue, Discussion about the new justification & here.) Whereas OP keeps going on a tangent about something that's continuously being rejected (here, here and here)
Clarification:
This is in no way a report directed at the OP, the OP has every right to not concede and to discuss with the mods and suggest proposals in his thread however when the actual proposals that end up getting accepted are not contributed by the OP it starts to become an issue and a recurring one at that.
I recommend adding this rule
What I am proposing would in a sense fall under this discussion rule.
Reasoning;
To sum everything up recently a huge quantity of threads are being spawned with the intent of redoing the past revisions which were mostly accepted with little to no opposition and quite frankly these new threads are hastily prepared and suffer from many things such as
- Lack of Scans
- unsubstantiated Arguments
- Don't address the previous debunks
- Manipulates Information (not maliciously in my opinion)
Acceptable Threads;
This thread was very productive, OP presented significant evidence and had a compelling argument.
Also, I know that someone will
Another Clarification: I have nothing against the OP of these threads, I don't wish to report him or accuse him of any malicious wrongdoings whatsoever, however given the state of the verse and the recent influx of new revisions I believe that it's necessary to limit the number of topics being discussed at a time to ensure that all of them are properly evaluated and that they aren't perpetually stuck in Limbo forever.
That's all thanks.
Agree: (8) @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless, @Antvasima, @Reiner04, @Planck69, @TWILIGHT-OP, @DarkDragonMedeus, @SomebodyData, @Just_a_Random_Butler
| Staff | Names |
|---|---|
| Thread Mod | Oblivion_Of_The_Endless, TWILIGHT-OP, Reiner04 |
| Administrator | Planck69, SomebodyData |
| Super Moderator | DarkDragonMedeus, Just_a_Random_Butler |
| Bureaucrat | Antvasima |
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