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"No I'm stronger!" (Kamen Rider Geats [Kamen Rider] vs Saitama [OPM])

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Post Balding Saitama
Encounter Arc Kamen Rider Geats starting in 8-A
Speed is equalized (they both can amp their speed anyway)
Who shall come out on top?

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Pretty sure that at a certain point, Saitama's growth rate would become so fast that by the time Geats uses desire amp and attacks, he'd already be several one shots and blitzes above him and insta-win.
 
Kachon123 said:
Pretty sure that at a certain point, Saitama's growth rate would become so fast that by the time Geats uses desire amp and attacks, he'd already be several one shots and blitzes above him and insta-win.
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And said Kamen Rider amp is
1. Passive
2. Instant
Sooo..
 
Kachon123 said:
Show me scans
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Shadow's words
"Anyone with Spark can equalise their stats with their opponents if the latter are more powerful than them (I have feats in that page). The speed depends on their desire and will, which the high tiers like Geats have in spades, hence bring their equalisation speed to almost instantly. This is why they have shit like 1-C with desire empowerment, which is to say they can equalise to 1-C characters MAX. So every stat that Geats has a disadvantage at is rectified by the fact they practically copy the stats of their enemies (even if via physicals or by amps)."
 
Another rider supp's words:
"4. I kid you not, Spark Amps are instantaneous. Ace, as a 7-C, was able to jump to being a 1-C character as soon as his fight against ReVice. It’s going to be the same here, as soon as Deku gets to High 6-A, so will Ace, no ding to show he gets stronger, no indication that the Spark amps started."
 
Arkansalter2 said:
Shadow's words
"Anyone with Spark can equalise their stats with their opponents if the latter are more powerful than them (I have feats in that page). The speed depends on their desire and will, which the high tiers like Geats have in spades, hence bring their equalisation speed to almost instantly. This is why they have shit like 1-C with desire empowerment, which is to say they can equalise to 1-C characters MAX. So every stat that Geats has a disadvantage at is rectified by the fact they practically copy the stats of their enemies (even if via physicals or by amps)."
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Okay so not instant. I hope you realize that in less than milliseconds Saitama was outpacing someone else with extreme exponential growth that was also copying his stats. At a certain point the lag time between Saitama's growth and Geats' desire amp (no matter how small) will be enough for Saitama's growth to give him enough speed to act and enough strength to end the fight within that instant.
 
Kachon123 said:
Okay so not instant.
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Arkansalter2 said:
Another rider supp's words:
"4. I kid you not, Spark Amps are instantaneous. Ace, as a 7-C, was able to jump to being a 1-C character as soon as his fight against ReVice. It’s going to be the same here, as soon as Deku gets to High 6-A, so will Ace, no ding to show he gets stronger, no indication that the Spark amps started."
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Kachon123 said:
Okay so not instant. I hope you realize that in less than milliseconds Saitama was outpacing someone else with extreme exponential growth that was also copying his stats. At a certain point the lag time between Saitama's growth and Geats' desire amp (no matter how small) will be enough for Saitama's growth to give him enough speed to act and enough strength to end the fight within that instant.
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This means nothing btw. Sparks amps are instant. The moment saitama gets stronger, geats gets stronger too. There's literally not a "lag time" or a "leeway" or none of that crap. They're both going to just eventually go up to 3-A and then Geat's RE: Zero skill slop comes into play and that's GGs.
 
Arkansalter2 said:
This means nothing btw. Sparks amps are instant. The moment saitama gets stronger, geats gets stronger too. There's literally not a "lag time" or a "leeway" or none of that crap. They're both going to just eventually go up to 3-A and then Geat's RE: Zero skill slop comes into play and that's GGs.
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The message you quoted quite literally claimed that there is a lag time, just that its very small and near-instant for folks with high desire. That inherently gives Saitama the advantage due to the nature and of his exponential growth.
 
Kachon123 said:
The message you quoted quite literally claimed that there is a lag time, just that its very small and near-instant for folks with high desire. That inherently gives Saitama the advantage due to the nature and of his exponential growth.
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Arkansalter2 said:
. I kid you not, Spark Amps are instantaneous
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Again, exponential growth doesn't mean anything. Spark would just immediately amp to saitama's power level, no matter how much Saitama grows.
 
Arkansalter2 said:
Again, exponential growth doesn't mean anything. Spark would just immediately amp to saitama's power level, no matter how much Saitama grows.
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Except you're literally just wrong. There is a gap, it's just very small. Even if it takes them fighting for an extended period of time for Saitama's growth rate to be big enough for him to act within that gap, he will still eventually reach that necessary speed.
 
Quick response, but Saitama's kinda ****** by ranged attacks from Geats. He's able to fire 3333 bullets a second, and each one can riccochet off of anything, even each other. Saitama would be swiss cheese if he just plain tanks that shit.
Also, Geats has boost here, so he'd not only get a companion to help him out here, said companion is always faster than him no matter the amp.


EddisherSound said:
Good luck slash, that's 4 matches you're dealing with, right?
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Two tourneys and two matches not made by me.
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Shadowslash125 said:
Quick response, but Saitama's kinda ****** by ranged attacks from Geats. He's able to fire 3333 bullets a second, and each one can riccochet off of anything, even each other. Saitama would be swiss cheese if he just plain tanks that shit.
Also, Geats has boost here, so he'd not only get a companion to help him out here, said companion is always faster than him no matter the amp.



Two tourneys and two matches not made by me.
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This is your fault. For the geats spam. As such I sentence you to geats spam
 
I will also point this out. Blitzing won’t really be an option here. I understand that Saitama’s rate of evolution is fast, but the gap in speed in crazy for their peaks.

Tycoon, a weaker spark user, was able to close the gap between Live. The speed difference between the two was Mach 15 vs leagues above 5 Septillion C. Even if he had the speed advantage, blitzing won’t be a problem.

Liek how AThe pointed out, ReZero levels of skill. I could go in detail, but long stronger short, speed blitzing is very easily powered by skill
 
Imo, what's more important for growth isn't the tier it jumps to (Though that isn't an important factor, obviously), but the speed of it (Which is based on the speed of the opponent). If Kamen Rider Geats amps let them jump to say FTL to Infinite speed, that would mean their amps occur in 0 time, and thus would be faster than Saitama's growth which occurs in finite time. That said, I am not claiming one's is faster than the other. I am just suggesting sending speed feats for Geats amps to clear up this speed argument.
 
Arkansalter2 said:
You're going to keep saying it as if it means much of anything when Geats can just... do the same.
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This is worse than talking to a wall. Like I said before, that gap inherently gives Saitama the advantage. If Geats can amp himself to his opponent's speed in 0.001 unit of time, and initially Saitama is only able to operate within 1 unit of time, due to the nature of exponential growth, before long, his rate of growth would allow him to operate within that same 0.001, and even if Geats survives that, with the next blow Saitama would be able to act within 0.0001 units of time (giving him dozens of actions before Geats' amp can even adjust). If he survives even that it would go to 0.00001 for Saitama and so on and so forth. The gap literally means that exponential growth is the best way to exploit that weakness. You not understanding this concept is beyond me. Put my vote for Saitama.
 
Actually wait, if Geats can amp instantaneously (from their POV) to Tier 1, doesn't that just make it faster than Saitama's exponential growth. Exponential growth will still always be finite growth and never reach 0 time (Unless infinite time elapses), making jumping to Tier 1 impossible no matter how much time passes. You can calculate Saitama's exponential growth (or more specifically the function). Geat's function would be infinite (or technically above Infinite given it's Tier 1, not High 3-A).

But otherwise, yeah, speed feats are usually helps with deciding how fast growth is (other than outright statements of how fast it is)
 
Spark literally is capable of closing a, bare minimum, 300 Octillion times speed gap. And again, Ace’s skill, being the 2nd most skilled Rider, would allow him to keep up with people blitzing him in layers.

Saitama also doesn’t have a proper way of defending against any of Ace’s haxes like his luck, bio, or poison
 
Kachon123 said:
This is worse than talking to a wall. Like I said before, that gap inherently gives Saitama the advantage. If Geats can amp himself to his opponent's speed in 0.001 unit of time, and initially Saitama is only able to operate within 1 unit of time, due to the nature of exponential growth, before long, his rate of growth would allow him to operate within that same 0.001, and even if Geats survives that, with the next blow Saitama would be able to act within 0.0001 units of time (giving him dozens of actions before Geats' amp can even adjust). If he survives even that it would go to 0.00001 for Saitama and so on and so forth. The gap literally means that exponential growth is the best way to exploit that weakness.
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Be as verbose and mr fancy pants as you want, Geats can just auto amp to Saitama's power legit instantly.
Literally went from 7-C to 1-C instantly. No ding, no "power up!", none of that. Just straight up instantly.
Exponential growth legit means nothing if Geats can just amp himself to Deku's level of all folks, even with his fa jin + gearshift bullshit.


Kachon123 said:
Put my vote for Saitama.
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Counted.
 
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