Meliodas vs Monkey D. Luffy [19-2-0]

[Kaydee1648]

• Meliodas Post purgatory key is used
• Moneky D. Luffy Post Onigashima Raid key is used.
• Speed is equalised.
• Both have prior knowledge about each other’s ability and starts 1km away.

	Meliodas	Luffy
Attack Potency	7.5 Zetattons in base, 15 zettatons with Demon Mark, and 30 zettatons with Demon Mark 2, 60 zettatons with true magic	376.724 exatons in base, 1.507 Zettatons in Gear 2nd or Gear 3rd, 6.02758 Zettatons in Gear 4th: Snakeman or Gear 2nd + Gear 3rd, 12.05517 Zettatons in Gear 4th: Boundman, 24.11034 to 59.44 Zettatons in Gear 5th,

Meliodas: Superscharbe, Karo_senpaii, Makai641001, Lloydblitzed, Curses0z, Thermor, AigerTheKing, Demon_Lord18, Delusionaltx2, Purgy, Kazuma_Kuwabara, speedster352, AthelChan, Trihexa102, Jaynic1, Estarossa0z, Pluto321, kun52, Tuxidoe_Redo

Luffy: Kachon123, Gamecooob

Inconclusive:

 

[Arkansalter2]

Luffy's first ap is 376 EXATONS not zettatons.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Mistmatch, Luffy can't beat Meliodas if he is with his wife

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Mistmatch, Luffy can't beat Meliodas if he is with his wife

not this s*** again....

Bro will never escape the allegations

 

[Nonynho]

-One Piece match with one of the most impressive Haki users
-looks at the opposing profile
-no answer for Haki, not even Haōshoku which ends the fight in .001s
-says it and basically never pays much attention

 

[Makai641001]

-One Piece match with one of the most impressive Haki users
-looks at the opposing profile
-no answer for Haki, not even Haōshoku which ends the fight in .001s
-says it and basically never pays much attention

The Haki wanks again.

You can ignore it’s effects completely with sufficient willpower.

Those with even stronger willpower are capable of completely ignoring its effects.

Not only Meliodas resists fear manip and has supernatural willpower but he also has greater Fear manip than Luffy.

Restrict DM’s else Meli one taps.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Haki vs Ominous Nebula vs Layers

 

[Nonynho]

Not only Meliodas resists fear manip and has supernatural willpower but he also has greater Fear manip than Luffy.

Sleep manip is also a part of Haōshoku's immediate effect (Luffy's not using Fear manip IC and the sleep thing is passive, so it's even worse).
Meliodas' Supernatural Willpower is not greater than Luffy's by any mean of comparison. Nor the single-simple-sentence Fear manip.

But I'll leave it here, won't be helping here (unless someone specifically asks for some reason) any longer cuz I'm not quite interested in Meliodas related stuff.
Wish the best weekend ever for those who stay.

 

[Makai641001]

Sleep manip is also a part of Haōshoku's immediate effect (Luffy's not using Fear manip IC and the sleep thing is passive, so it's even worse).
Meliodas' Supernatural Willpower is not greater than Luffy's by any mean of comparison. Nor the single-simple-sentence Fear manip.

But I'll leave it here, won't be helping here (unless someone specifically asks for some reason) any longer cuz I'm not quite interested in Meliodas related stuff.
Wish the best weekend ever for those who stay.

Just read the Haki page, having Supernatural Willpower allows you to resist the Haoshoku haki without effects.

Those with sufficient willpower are capable of managing to slightly stay conscious against the effects of Haoshoku Haki, usually getting headaches.

• Those with even stronger willpower are capable of completely ignoring its effects.

It’s not about Meli having better Willpower than Luffy even though his Druid altar feat is a better feat than anything in OP lol.

Btw Meli has 3 accepted Fear hax Layers iirc

 

[Makai641001]

Meli has Destroyer type enchantments that allows him to Amp his AP by 10x.

He has AOE attacks to counter precognition and can form darkness bubbles akin to Melascula’s cocoon of darkness to avoid possible dodges.

He has passive layered poison manip corrosion and status effect inducements with his Miasma that also breaks the spirit causing mind manips etc…

People who do not resist corrosion die instantly from Darkness. (Dark snow)

 

[Kachon123]

Meliodas has no answer to Haōshoku.

Meliodas gets blitzed badly by any of Luffy's gears.

Luffy beats the brakes out of Meliodas.

 

[Robo432343]

if meli has passive poison manip corrosion or whatever then why didn't it work on most of his opponents
they didn't passively get poison corroded lol

 

[Gamecooob]

poison manip corrosion

haki blocks this lol

 

[Makai641001]

if meli has passive poison manip corrosion or whatever then why didn't it work on most of his opponents
they didn't passively get poison corroded lol

Cuz they resist… King is an exemple of a character that resists but Still took the effects.

Meliodas has no answer to Haōshoku.

He does I explained it

Meliodas gets blitzed badly by any of Luffy's gears.

He doesn’t, with DM’s he scales higher than 4c while Luffy scale at most around 9c that’s a 2.25x difference AT MOST that’s not taking Rage amps into account.

Absolutely no blitz

If you think Meli loses with this setup we can activate True magic so he passively insta erases him.

Else show Luffy’s Resistance to 3 Layers of fear hax.

 

[Makai641001]

haki blocks this lol

It’s similar to a gaz he will breath it.

 

[Kachon123]

He does I explained it

Your explanation doesn't cut it. All the willpower on his page shows is that it scales to characters like Hendrickson, who just have really good pain tolerance. That isn't enough. The druid alter feat isn't enough either.

He doesn’t, with DM’s he scales higher than 4c while Luffy scale at most around 9c that’s a 2.25x difference AT MOST that’s not taking Rage amps into account.

Luffy's profile isn't updated, but he actually scales to this in his base (>>5c), a blitz level above with Gear 2nd, and over 4x higher than Gear 2nd with Snakeman and Gear 5th (20c). Luffy also has several seconds of future sight so he will be getting blitzed badly.

 

[Kaydee1648]

Luffy's profile isn't updated, but he actually scales to this in his base (5c), a blitz level above with Gear 2nd, and over 4x higher than Gear 2nd with Snakeman and Gear 5th (20c). Luffy also has several seconds of future sight so he will be getting blitzed badly.

if it’s gonna be a blitz then i’ll equalize speed to make things more fair

 

[Kachon123]

if it’s gonna be a blitz then i’ll equalize speed to make things more fair

Sure, but that doesn't really change much since Gear 2nd alone is a blitz amp. Just follow the rest

and over 4x higher than Gear 2nd with Snakeman and Gear 5th. Luffy also has several seconds of future sight

So Luffy will have a hefty speed advantage.

 

[Nonynho]

Quick suggestion, just because I was answered to after saying I'd not contribute here:
Kachon's not right just now, he's usually very precise on his takes for One Piece threads
Adapt the match and please don't repeat points. This is also something that happens pretty often (sadly exactly as I said, poor Kachon) and is never nice.

Much appraisal for Kachon and his work, final Bye now.

 

[Makai641001]

Your explanation doesn't cut it. All the willpower on his page shows is that it scales to characters like Hendrickson, who just have really good pain tolerance. That isn't enough. The druid alter feat isn't enough either.

Quantify what would be needed, else your point holds no weight.

Istar’s feat is him living his life with Liz again and again until he completely nulls his physiology related rage power through sheer willpower.

The test litteraly breaks the spirit so bad it kills people physically despite being a « dream »

Luffy's profile isn't updated, but he actually scales to this in his base (>>5c), a blitz level above with Gear 2nd, and over 4x higher than Gear 2nd with Snakeman and Gear 5th (20c). Luffy also has several seconds of future sight so he will be getting blitzed badly.

Meli’s profile isn’t either but speed is equalized anyway.

 

[Gamecooob]

It’s similar to a gaz he will breath it.

Luffy has Kenbun. He'll know its coming and see its there. And if it really just behaves like a gas, all Luffy needs to do is clap once and it's in the stratosphere. Or, y'know, if he's in G5 he can just turn it into silly puddy and yeet it anyway.

 

[Makai641001]

Quick suggestion, just because I was answered to after saying I'd not contribute here:
Kachon's not right just now, he's usually very precise on his takes for One Piece threads
Adapt the match and please don't repeat points. This is also something that happens pretty often (sadly exactly as I said, poor Kachon) and is never nice.

Much appraisal for Kachon and his work, final Bye now.

We go by facts and currently no facts were given

 

[Makai641001]

Luffy has Kenbun. He'll know its coming and see its there. And if it really just behaves like a gas, all Luffy needs to do is clap once and it's in the stratosphere. Or, y'know, if he's in G5 he can just turn it into silly puddy and yeet it anyway.

It emanates from Meliodas

 

[Kachon123]

Quantify what would be needed, else your point holds no weight.

Istar’s feat is him living his life with Liz again and again until he completely nulls his physiology related rage power through sheer willpower.

The test litteraly breaks the spirit so bad it kills people physically despite being a « dream »

Being filled with shadows (which is the literal mind/ego of a person) can kill a person through their spirit after just 3-4. Someone like a Thriller Bark Luffy could withstand 100 shadows. This was before he even had control over his Haōshoku, which is the manifestation if his spirit. Luffy at that point being able to dominate over what would be like 25x enough to kill/overload a person's spirit and also later knock out several dozen trained Haki users in Amazon Lily should be enough.

And then you have Luffy straight out of the timeskip being able to do that to 50,000 people, and now would be over 100,000 scaling to people like old Rayleigh.

 

[Kachon123]

It emanates from Meliodas

Luffy's turning it to rubber, thus nullifying it.

 

[Gamecooob]

It emanates from Meliodas

Don't rlly matter anyway, it gets rubbery.

Plus, as long as Buso is on that body, Luffy won't feel the effects.

 

[Makai641001]

Being filled with shadows (which is the literal mind/ego of a person) can kill a person through their spirit after just 3-4. Someone like a Thriller Bark Luffy could withstand 100 shadows. This was before he even had control over his Haōshoku, which is the manifestation if his spirit. Luffy at that point being able to dominate over what would be like 25x enough to kill/overload a person's spirit and also later knock out several dozen trained Haki users in Amazon Lily should be enough.

That’s completely off topic, I’ll ask again.

Quantify what would be needed in order to resist Haoshoku.

And then you have Luffy straight out of the timeskip being able to do that to 50,000 people, and now would be over 100,000 scaling to people like old Rayleigh.

Potency and range are separate things

 

[Kachon123]

Meliodas gets flattened like a pancake while pressed between exploding dura neg that's more potent than organ destroying dura neg straight to the heart.

 

[Kachon123]

Potency and range are separate things

It's based on potency, not range.

That’s completely off topic, I’ll ask again.

Quantify what would be needed in order to resist Haoshoku.

I did and you just ignored it.

 

[Gamecooob]

Does Meliodas have any hax that isn't covered by Buso?

 

[Makai641001]

Meliodas gets flattened like a pancake

Toon force move that never killed anyone

while pressed between exploding dura neg that's more potent than organ destroying dura neg straight to the heart.

Mel has 7 hearts and can regen

If y’all think it’s not a balanced fight allow true magic.

Does Meliodas have any hax that isn't covered by Buso?

Stop wanking every form of haki it’s not Invulnerability

Don't rlly matter anyway, it gets rubbery.

Plus, as long as Buso is on that body, Luffy won't feel the effects.

Cite where it states in his profile that he powernulls poisons

It's based on potency, not range.

This statement involves range…

I did and you just ignored it.

You didn’t, you gave a willpower feat with 0 scan and act like it’s a baseline for Haoshoku resistance

 

[Gamecooob]

Stop wanking every form of haki it’s not Invulnerability

Its not wank dawg it just nulls the shit we know it nulls

powernulls poisons

Poison Manipulation (After surviving being poisoned by Magellan, Luffy developed an even greater immunity to poisons, causing him to be unaffected) (this is without Haki btw)

This guy's very existance (haki nulls his shit)

 

[Makai641001]

Its not wank dawg it just nulls the shit we know it nulls

Doesn’t null heat doesn’t null 3 Layers of fear hax, doesn’t null 4 Layers of status effect inducement and corrosion

Poison Manipulation (After surviving being poisoned by Magellan, Luffy developed an even greater immunity to poisons, causing him to be unaffected) (this is without Haki btw)

This guy's very existance (haki nulls his shit)

0 Layers just poison potency ******* hell every vs is a purge

 

[Gamecooob]

Doesn’t null heat doesn’t null 3 Layers of fear hax, doesn’t null 4 Layers of status effect inducement and corrosion

Dawg its 7 layers of powernull. What are you talking about.

 

[Makai641001]

Dawg its 7 layers of powernull. What are you talking about.

Where is it in the profiles

 

[Gamecooob]

Where is it in the profiles

Not in Luffy's profile, because it sucks, but the layers are here

here's a guy who does have the layers on his profile

 

[Makai641001]

Not in Luffy's profile, because it sucks, but the layers are here

here's a guy who does have the layers on his profile

Do you realise that it’s a potency thread between haki users…

How does Luffy resists layered EE ?

 

[Gamecooob]

Do you realise that it’s a potency thread between haki users…

No it's not just "potency" the layers are deadass right there. If it was just "potency" layers wouldnt even be mentioned.

layered EE ?

How does Meliodas do it?

 

[Makai641001]

No it's not just "potency" the layers are deadass right there. If it was just "potency" layers wouldnt even be mentioned.

Existing Scaling Chains​

Average Haki < Draw's Haki ~ Sabaody Ace's Haki

No feat, just a potency statement

< Stronger Ace's Haki

Potency

< Ace Novel Jinbe's Haki

Potency

< Current Jinbe's Haki

Potency

< Akainu's Haki

absolutely 0 reason to believe it would be a layer there could be other reasons

< WB's Haki (6 Layers example)

Potency

Tashigi's Haki < Smoker and PH Law's Haki < Vergo's Haki < DR Law, Doffy, and DR Luffy's Haki < Wano Law, Wano Hawkins < Raid Luffy's Haki < Kaidou's & Big Mom's Haki (6 Layers Example)
DR Luffy's Haki < Early WCI Luffy's Haki < Late WCI Luffy's Haki < Katakuri's Haki (7 Layers Example)
Average Haki < Pica's Haki < DR Zoro's Haki < Wano Zoro's Haki < 1032 Zoro's Haki < King's & 1035 Zoro's Haki (5 Layers)
1032 Zoro's Haki < Oden's Haki (5 Layers)

I won’t Go through it all but using statements about having better haki (which gets influenced by physicals etc…) is shit.

I see why this 2022 thread isn’t used in profiles

How does Meliodas do it?

Existing

 

[Delusionaltx2]

How does Meliodas do it?

It's kind of an aura thing i'm pretty sure