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-Makima vs Sukuna- (7-0-0) GRACE

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Makima versus Sukuna Again, but This Time it's Full Power Sukuna

Rules..
Basically the same as the 15F Sukuna matchup cuz I'm lazy

Speed is equalized
Time: Night
Location: Shibuya
Starting Distance: 50 meters
Rules: In Character, Win by any means
Both are High 7-C
Makima's High-Mid Regen is used



(My dumb a#s finally figured out how to send images)

Makima Upscales from 550 Tons of TNT Physically.
Telekinesis Scales to 128.18 Kilotons of TNT (Scales to 100% Gun Devil who scales to 100/28ths of its 28% Emergence)
Upscales from 2,549.918 Metric Tons

Sukuna Scales to 514.24 Kilotons of TNT
740.23 Kilotons of TNT with Shrine (??, idk the only Large Town+ Calc I saw on the verse page is Jogo's so I'm assuming it's scaling from that, correct me if I'm wrong)
Upscales from 8.53e+5 Tons

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Makima: @Acertainbcplayer, @Catbowtie, @GunshyFever, @Pearly0nsams, @Naito-desu, @Eynooh, @Da3ggman

Sukuna:

Gojo from the Othersite(Incon):
 
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Makima's immortality would be a huge problem for Sukuna, he can't just brute force it (if we counts Makima's Mid-High regen). I don't know how many domains Sukuna could open a day, but a 400m domain is gonna take ages for him to finish all of Japan off, while spam kill Makima isn't really a good option because it could take years, and I doubt Sukuna would even go through the entire boring process just to finish Makima off, in character if he knows Makima's ability, he'd rather go finishing all of Japan.

Makima have some options, either banishing Sukuna to hell through a contract with hell devil (which would be an insta win), or maybe using her teleportation and range advantage, she could bang the heck out of Sukuna, so Sukuna would need to keep her in check. I'm not sure if Shrine ritual would work, but I guess I'll count that one as a possible wincon too.

Sukuna's only wincon is either being super patience (plus also knowing Makima's ability), or pray that Makima's regen is not actually Mid-High but rather High-Mid which is unlikely tbh, imagine being "untouchable" stated by Kishibe and the way to kill her was to burn her up, if it's that simple Kishibe wouldn't even need Denji's twisted mind. Sukuna's Domain doesn't atomizes either as it's a thermobaric bomb.

Anyways, Makima for me.
 
Acertainbcplayer said:
Makima's immortality would be a huge problem for Sukuna, he can't just brute force it (if we counts Makima's Mid-High regen). I don't know how many domains Sukuna could open a day, but a 400m domain is gonna take ages for him to finish all of Japan off, while spam kill Makima isn't really a good option because it could take years, and I doubt Sukuna would even go through the entire boring process just to finish Makima off, in character if he knows Makima's ability, he'd rather go finishing all of Japan.

Makima have some options, either banishing Sukuna to hell through a contract with hell devil (which would be an insta win), or maybe using her teleportation and range advantage, she could bang the heck out of Sukuna, so Sukuna would need to keep her in check. I'm not sure if Shrine ritual would work, but I guess I'll count that one as a possible wincon too.

Sukuna's only wincon is either being super patience (plus also knowing Makima's ability), or pray that Makima's regen is not actually Mid-High but rather High-Mid which is unlikely tbh, imagine being "untouchable" stated by Kishibe and the way to kill her was to burn her up, if it's that simple Kishibe wouldn't even need Denji's twisted mind. Sukuna's Domain doesn't atomizes either as it's a thermobaric bomb.

Anyways, Makima for me.
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is that a vote?
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Probably should just go with Makima's High-Mid end if you wanna make it more fair.
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Tbh Mid-High end seems the best, because as I mentioned again, if Makima was indeed vulnerable to fire damage, Kishibe wouldn't call a squad and NOT bring something to completely incinerate Makima, because that's just stupid, he himself said Makima is untouchable because of her immortality after all.
Arkansalter2 said:
So Sukuna's only wincon is Shrine + Fuga in order to kill Makima permanently.
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Mid-High regen diff.
 
Acertainbcplayer said:
Tbh Mid-High end seems the best, because as I mentioned again, if Makima was indeed vulnerable to fire damage, Kishibe wouldn't call a squad and NOT bring something to completely incinerate Makima, because that's just stupid, he himself said Makima is untouchable because of her immortality after all.
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Ya could probably argue that in a CRT to make it not a possibly Ig.
But at the moment, the regen can be restricted.
 
Is this Meguna or True Form Sukuna after the fight with Gojo? I ask because Mahoraga could potentially just adapt to bypass her immortality somehow which would save Sukuna time.
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Ya could probably argue that in a CRT to make it not a possibly Ig.
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I wonder why they didn't just give her Mid-High? It's kinda weird tbh.
Eden_Warlock99 said:
But at the moment, the regen can be restricted.
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Well anyways, Makima has Mid-High on her profile, that's undeniable, and she has solid proof for Mid-High as I said, so I'm more willing to give her the Mid-High advantage because tbh, otherwise a stomp cause Makima just has 0 AP and Dura to tank anything from Sukuna nor hurting him severely, distance is a mere 50 meters too. And even more than that, all about Makima is prep time, but she also get 0 prep time this time.
 
OP should say whether she has High-Mid or Mid-High in this fight, as that pretty much determines how this plays out.

If it's the former, I'd vote Sukuna more often than not. Chances are that he's gonna see her coming back from all of his attacks, and think she has some ability like Mahoraga, and then bust out Malevolent Kitchen to slice her to practically nothing, or shrine to vaporize her. Makima still has a win-con through some of her has which could one shot him like Hell Devil or something, so it isn't a stomp.

If it's the latter, then it's a stomp. Sukuna has absolutely no way of dealing with her contract, as he'll run out of Cursed Energy long before he kills everyone in Japan. Even if we say that he does somehow literally kill everyone in the country (which again, he can't, especially with Makima on his ass), there'd still be thousands across the world that don't live there that would be considered in the contract, which that he doesn't have a way to reach.
 
I'm absolutely conflicted
cuz one person said that Makima would just get stomp if it's High-mid regen

and you on the other hand said that Mid-high would be a stomp in Makima's favor and high-mid would not be a stomp sibssjjsjshwjs
 
Eynooh said:
I'm absolutely conflicted
cuz one person said that Makima would just get stomp if it's High-mid regen

and you on the other hand said that Mid-high would be a stomp in Makima's favor and high-mid would not be a stomp sibssjjsjshwjs
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If it's High-Mid then it would be a fair match.
If it's Mid-High then it would be a stomp for Makima.

High-Mid is one can survive being split to pieces or regenerate from a small part.
Mid-High is one can survive being incinerated.
 
Arkansalter2 said:
If it's High-Mid then it would be a fair match.
If it's Mid-High then it would be a stomp for Makima.

High-Mid is one can survive being split to pieces or regenerate from a small part.
Mid-High is one can survive being incinerated.
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I'm aware what the regeneration.terms means

I'm conflicted on the opinion on the High-Mid

Cuz Acertainbcplayer said that Makima would just get stomp if it's High-mid

but Da3ggman said that High-mid would not be a stomp
 
Eynooh said:
but Da3ggman said that High-mid would not be a stomp
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High mid wouldn't be a stomp. It'll just make the match fair because Sukuna's wincons would actually would.
Mid-High would be a stomp.

They likely got the terms confused themselves.
 
ic, well alr then I'll edit to post to say that Makima's High-Mid regen is being used
 
Makima's contract transfers the damage and ressurrects her shortly after she dies. You can't kill a corpse by slashing her over and over again. Makima has to be ressurrected first so she can die again. So Sukunas domain having gazillion slashes is not going to help. Makimas gonna outlast it and outlast Sukuna too. MS isn't a wincon.

Kishibe told Denji that blowing up Makima would be futile. Keep in mind, Public Safety was burning chainsaw man Zombies to the point nothing left from their biology. And Kishibe deemed bunch of Makimeat in fridge as unkillable by physical methods. Her contract just transfers any damage attacks left and reforms her body, basically undoing it. Denji had to find a loophole in the contract to kill her. Shes been accapted as mid-high. Fuga ain't a wincon.


Mahoraga has never adopted a non CE stuff in canon source (manga) iirc. Never adopted and negated Law Manipulation. He shouldn't have Mahoraga in true form too. So Mahoragas not a wincon.
 
Was going to say that about Mahoraga.

Also, can someone lose to the same person TWICE? Like, Makima will have two Sukuna wins to her name and Sukuna two loses?
 
Catbowtie said:
Was going to say that about Mahoraga.

Also, can someone lose to the same person TWICE? Like, Makima will have two Sukuna wins to her name and Sukuna two loses?
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well the previous one was with 16 Finger Sukuna

This on the other hand is Full Power Sukuna

but idk
 
Da3ggman said:
OP should say whether she has High-Mid or Mid-High in this fight, as that pretty much determines how this plays out.

If it's the former, I'd vote Sukuna more often than not. Chances are that he's gonna see her coming back from all of his attacks, and think she has some ability like Mahoraga, and then bust out Malevolent Kitchen to slice her to practically nothing, or shrine to vaporize her. Makima still has a win-con through some of her has which could one shot him like Hell Devil or something, so it isn't a stomp.
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I think Makima takes this, she has far too many options through her abilities for it to play out like that. She can access a vast arsenal of hax and abilities from devils she has contracts with or controls, giving her numerous ways to end the fight quickly. For example, through her prior contract with the Hell Devil, Makima could reverse-summon it and BFR Sukuna straight to Hell by sacrificing devil hunters. She also has access to sealing through Akane's Snake Devil, which can consume opponents for later use, incredibly handy when Sukuna is caught off guard. Makima also has precognition through the Future Devil, allowing her to predict Sukuna’s attacks and patterns, making it harder for any schemes like Fuga or Malevolent Shrine to succeed. Even a brief glimpse into the future can heavily tip the scales in her favor. Using the Angel Devil’s abilities, she could drain Sukuna’s lifespan with a simple touch and create death-inflicting weapons from the stolen time, or just use the lifespan of other controlled minions to do so, as we've seen in the manga or Santa Claus, who in darkness is invulnerable, and has an army of dolls whom with 1 touch can turn Sukuna into one of them. Through Cosmo, Makima could trap Sukuna in an endless mental loop where he can only think about Halloween, neutralizing him without a physical fight. With contracts like the Stone Devil and Mold Devil, Makima could instantaneously petrify Sukuna (when she's standing in a circle) or grow mold inside his organs once she draws blood, something she could execute by having hundreds of controlled minions surround Sukuna and grow hundreds of moles inside his body. Mold would be something he cannot regenerate from.

Furthermore, she could trap Sukuna inside the Eternity Devil’s pocket dimension, where time is frozen, another BFR win con. Even if Sukuna killed Makima or her minions, she could simply revive her forces through the Zombie Devil’s necromancy and keep him occupied. Most importantly, her Death Ritual allows her to remotely crush an opponent by sacrificing humans who say their target’s name, which Makima can figure out Sukuna's name by reading his mind. Given her ability to teleport minions and set up sacrifices instantly, setting this up mid-battle is completely plausible, especially considering Makima rarely fights head-on and leaves most of the fighting to her controlled minions as she watches from the shadows.

Overall, Sukuna is at a massive hax disadvantage, he can be constantly predicted and countered. It really all depends on when he activates Fuga or Malevolent Shrine. I would go with Makima 8 out of 10 times, considering she has so many opportunities to kill Sukuna with her hax before he can activate his wincons.
 
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GunshyFever said:
I think Makima takes this, she has far too many options through her abilities for it to play out like that. She can access a vast arsenal of hax and abilities from devils she has contracts with or controls, giving her numerous ways to end the fight quickly. For example, through her prior contract with the Hell Devil, Makima could reverse-summon it and BFR Sukuna straight to Hell by sacrificing devil hunters. She also has access to sealing through Akane's Snake Devil, which can consume opponents for later use, incredibly handy when Sukuna is caught off guard. Makima also has precognition through the Future Devil, allowing her to predict Sukuna’s attacks and patterns, making it harder for any schemes like Fuga or Malevolent Shrine to succeed. Even a brief glimpse into the future can heavily tip the scales in her favor. Using the Angel Devil’s abilities, she could drain Sukuna’s lifespan with a simple touch and create death-inflicting weapons from the stolen time, or just use the lifespan of other controlled minions to do so, as we've seen in the manga or Santa Claus, who in darkness is invulnerable, and has an army of dolls whom with 1 touch can turn Sukuna into one of them. Through Cosmo, Makima could trap Sukuna in an endless mental loop where he can only think about Halloween, neutralizing him without a physical fight. With contracts like the Stone Devil and Mold Devil, Makima could instantaneously petrify Sukuna (when she's standing in a circle) or grow mold inside his organs once she draws blood, something she could execute by having hundreds of controlled minions surround Sukuna and grow hundreds of moles inside his body. Mold would be something he cannot regenerate from.

Furthermore, she could trap Sukuna inside the Eternity Devil’s pocket dimension, where time is frozen, another BFR win con. Even if Sukuna killed Makima or her minions, she could simply revive her forces through the Zombie Devil’s necromancy and keep him occupied. Most importantly, her Death Ritual allows her to remotely crush an opponent by sacrificing humans who say their target’s name. Given her ability to teleport minions and set up sacrifices instantly, setting this up mid-battle is completely plausible, especially considering Makima rarely fights head-on and leaves most of the fighting to her controlled minions as she watches from the shadows.

Overall, Sukuna is at a massive hax disadvantage, he can be constantly predicted and countered. It really all depends on when he activates Fuga or Malevolent Shrine. I would go with Makima 8 out of 10 times, considering she has so many opportunities to kill Sukuna with her hax before he can activate his wincons.
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sooo is that a vote or nah?
 
GunshyFever said:
I think Makima takes this, she has far too many options through her abilities for it to play out like that. She can access a vast arsenal of hax and abilities from devils she has contracts with or controls, giving her numerous ways to end the fight quickly. For example, through her prior contract with the Hell Devil, Makima could reverse-summon it and BFR Sukuna straight to Hell by sacrificing devil hunters. She also has access to sealing through Akane's Snake Devil, which can consume opponents for later use, incredibly handy when Sukuna is caught off guard. Makima also has precognition through the Future Devil, allowing her to predict Sukuna’s attacks and patterns, making it harder for any schemes like Fuga or Malevolent Shrine to succeed. Even a brief glimpse into the future can heavily tip the scales in her favor. Using the Angel Devil’s abilities, she could drain Sukuna’s lifespan with a simple touch and create death-inflicting weapons from the stolen time, or just use the lifespan of other controlled minions to do so, as we've seen in the manga or Santa Claus, who in darkness is invulnerable, and has an army of dolls whom with 1 touch can turn Sukuna into one of them. Through Cosmo, Makima could trap Sukuna in an endless mental loop where he can only think about Halloween, neutralizing him without a physical fight. With contracts like the Stone Devil and Mold Devil, Makima could instantaneously petrify Sukuna (when she's standing in a circle) or grow mold inside his organs once she draws blood, something she could execute by having hundreds of controlled minions surround Sukuna and grow hundreds of moles inside his body. Mold would be something he cannot regenerate from.

Furthermore, she could trap Sukuna inside the Eternity Devil’s pocket dimension, where time is frozen, another BFR win con. Even if Sukuna killed Makima or her minions, she could simply revive her forces through the Zombie Devil’s necromancy and keep him occupied. Most importantly, her Death Ritual allows her to remotely crush an opponent by sacrificing humans who say their target’s name, which Makima can figure out Sukuna's name by reading his mind. Given her ability to teleport minions and set up sacrifices instantly, setting this up mid-battle is completely plausible, especially considering Makima rarely fights head-on and leaves most of the fighting to her controlled minions as she watches from the shadows.

Overall, Sukuna is at a massive hax disadvantage, he can be constantly predicted and countered. It really all depends on when he activates Fuga or Malevolent Shrine. I would go with Makima 8 out of 10 times, considering she has so many opportunities to kill Sukuna with her hax before he can activate his wincons.
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Holy yap lmao.

I'll respond to these individually later, but just know that most of these "hax" are ass and won't help her in the slightest due to taking way to long to do anything.
 
Da3ggman said:
but just know that most of these "hax" are ass and won't help her in the slightest due to taking way to long to do anything.
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Don't discredit them, most of them are instant set up's or summons while Makima can kick up her feet and watch from a distance, will respond whenever you reply
 
Da3ggman said:
Holy yap lmao.

I'll respond to these individually later, but just know that most of these "hax" are ass and won't help her in the slightest due to taking way to long to do anything.
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Too long? Wym? She could just teleports far away with many of her abilities, one of which is shown in the Gun Devil fight (reminder, the same fight that happened in seconds btw), we doesn't even need the rat teleportation to prove that she could just teleports 500km away and get all the preptime she would need, all while Sukuna with his poor traveling speed trying to catch up.
 
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