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Huh? I thought Dialga was low 1-CLow 1-C vs 2-A?
Oops, i honestly checked cuz i thougjt i missed a upgrade, but yeah, only arceus' avatar got the tier 1 treatmentHuh? I thought Dialga was low 1-C
Arceus has immortality Type 9, so the heart can just create a new oneCan Alien X EE him? Arceus doesn't seem to resist it unless I'm mistaken.
Avatar I'm pretty sure.To clarify, what is the win condition since this is the avatar key?
Yeah pretty muchTo clarify, what is the win condition since this is the avatar key only?
If the avatar is destroyed, but the True form still exists, is that a win condition?
Speed equalI'd give Arceus Avatar the edge due to all the hax and possible speed advantage.
Again read op only Arceus avatar can be used so if he kills the avatar then this count as a winconAlien X cannot kill Arceus due to CM1 Immortality 9 and AE1. Arceus looks better.
Arceus still stronger in terms of hax. Does Alien X have hax a right to kill Arceus avatar?Again read op only Arceus avatar can be used so if he kills the avatar then this count as a wincon
Well idk low 1-C EE + causality manip ? Mind hax could be an option but I'm not sureArceus still stronger in terms of hax. Does Alien X have hax a right to kill Arceus avatar?
Broken AF Powernull, Resistence to EE and Layered acasuality stop all thatWell idk low 1-C EE + causality manip ? Mind hax could be an option but I'm not sure
How does it work ? Is it passive?Broken AF Powernull
From what I recall he only resist 4D EE scaling from Palkia and Dialga.... that's itResistence to EE and Layered acasuality stop all that
Basically nulls anything trying to affect Arceus, YesHow does it work ? Is it passive?
Resistance to EE+ AE1 + Nonexisent Physiology Nature type 2 Aspect 1/2/3/5 + CM1 can stand up to 5D EE and Arceus can kill easily with BDE2Well idk low 1-C EE + causality manip ? Mind hax could be an option but I'm not sure
Ehh idk I'll call @Greenshifter cuz he seems more knowledgeable than meBasically nulls anything trying to affect Arceus, Yes
Resistance to 4D EE againResistance to EE
Only apply to his true form
Again only apply to his true formNonexisent Physiology Nature type 2
Make Alien X bypass Omnipotent first
NB: Any hax or whatsoever applications of powers that you use on him "misses" regardless of whether the probability of it hitting has been boosted to 100%, regardless of whether you use attacks that chase the target or not. They all "miss", don't touch him, don't and can't interact with him
Yes. Arceus is low 1C because of his realm, which he can access and leave anytime he wants.iirc Alien x consciousness and his powers are located in a low 1-C dimension can Arceus Omnipotence (more like probability manipulation) reach it ?
I know where low 1-C Arceus come from but but does his probability manip have low 1-C range ? Since his probability manip would have to reach Alien x consciousness which is where his powers are locatedYes. Arceus is low 1C because of his realm, which he can access and leave anytime he wants.
You didn't hear me?I know where low 1-C Arceus come from but but does his probability manip have low 1-C range ? Since his probability manip would have to reach Alien x consciousness which is where his powers are located
Pretty sure you didn't write any of that when I responded to youYou didn't hear me?
Probability manipulation has no effect on it. It's not probability as it hits, but the nature of "Omnipotent" sets it to "missed"
Has arceus been shown nulling 4D EE?Would these be relevant for the EE part of the debate?:
Invulnerability and Power Nullification (The plates can negate any attack[33], with each plate corresponding to a specific type of power. This ranges from physical attacks, psychic attacks, spiritual attacks, Magical attacks, Draconic attacks as well as elemental attacks and various forms of power nullifications like Eternatus power nullification, which could nullify all Pokémon atttacks including various forms of power nullification, attack reflection, power mimicry and more powers, Can also release a shockwave which negates the current effects of the opponents' abilities[34]. Scales vastly above Good As Gold, which negates all status moves which tries to affect it[35] , status moves being any attack which do not directly inflict damage, which ranges from curse manipulation, mind manipulation, sealing, power nullification and many more. Has a vastly superior version of this ability called First Law[36] which negates all effects excluding damage which tries to affect the user, and Metal Barrier[37] which negates all effects including damage, both of which are variations of the nullification power of his plates ), Acausality (Types 1. Unaffected by changes in history unless he allows them[38] and 4. Giratina is an aspect of Arceus who exists beyond the concepts of time and space. It runs on different logic and laws with distorted causality[39], physics doesnt make sense and the world is under the complete control of Giratina)
It's 5D actuallyHas arceus been shown nulling 4D EE?
Make Alien X bypass Omnipotent first
NB: Any hax or whatsoever applications of powers that you use on him "misses" regardless of whether the probability of it hitting has been boosted to 100%, regardless of whether you use attacks that chase the target or not. They all "miss", don't touch him, don't and can't interact with him
Nice, has arceus been shown to null or affect 5D hax?It's 5D actually
Ehh idk I'll call @Greenshifter cuz he seems more knowledgeable than meand beware of his conceptual manip wank
I got Arceus at 1-A