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OG Dragon Ball Rivals vs OG Sonic Rivals

ShockingShoes

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This is a battle between the original Dragon Ball Z rivals and the original Sonic the Hedgehog rivals.

Sonic the Hedgehog and Knuckles the Echidna both have a lot more hax than the Saiyan and Namekian, so Piccolo and Goku are given AP advantages.

Speed is Equalized
This battle takes place in Angel Island Zone, and they can go as far as Sky Sanctuary Zone before they go out of bounds. (the size of the island will be 33,550,000,000 miles long, from Angel Island to Sky Sanctuary)
All characters are in character.
Victory is achieved by being knocked out of bounds, knocking out the opponent, sba for death, and BFR.
SBA besides that.


Modern Sonic & Modern Knuckles: 7 (JED, Gabs22_Gamer, GlaceonGamez471, PepperSalt43, ShakeResounding, MidnightDawn, Oleggator)
vs:
Super Saiyan Goku (Namek Saga) & Piccolo (Android Saga, Pre-Kami Fusion): 0

Sonic characters are Low 4-C while Piccolo and Goku are Star Level (Small Star Level for Sonic & Knuckles, Star Level for Son and Piccolo. May downgrade Son to his KKx20 key if this match is a stomp). Who would win?
 
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1. Please link profiles
2. Anyone know the AP scaling chain calcs Piccolo and Goku scale to?
 
JED said:
1. Please link profiles
2. Anyone know the AP scaling chain calcs Piccolo and Goku scale to?
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1. Done
2. Idk about Piccolo, but Goku scales for being signficiantly above Frieza in his final form, who is significantly above his Planet Vegeta destroying High 5-A feat, stomping Vegeta, and with barely 50% of his power he overpowered a KKx20 Goku. KKx20 Goku being Low 4-C, and Frieza being Low 4-C+
 
The scaling for the Namek Saga and Android Saga is about to change since there's a CRT about it, making both Goku and Piccolo 4-C

It might not affect the battle that much, but I'm just saying
 
ShockingShoes said:
1. Done
2. Idk about Piccolo, but Goku scales for being signficiantly above Frieza in his final form, who is significantly above his Planet Vegeta destroying High 5-A feat, stomping Vegeta, and with barely 50% of his power he overpowered a KKx20 Goku. KKx20 Goku being Low 4-C, and Frieza being Low 4-C+
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2.

Post Forces Sonic >> Infinite >>> Pre-Forces Sonic ~ Modern Knuckles > Sonic Generations Base Sonic > Egg Dragoon ~ Werehog Sonic >>> Unleashed Sonic > Sonic 06's Sonic >> 7-Emeralds Emerl = Eclispe Cannon = 32 Tenatons

Frieza Saga SSJ Goku = 50 * Frieza Saga Base Goku >> Vegeta > Third Form Frieza >> Second Form Frieza >> First Form Frieza = 4.89 Tenatons (Casually. And yes there was a new and accepted calc of Frieza's feat)

So Goku would scale to 244.5 Tenatons

Piccolo should scale to this Goku, as he's said to have his power almost rival that of a Super Saiyan

Goku and Piccolo likely one shot
 
I will wait for a scaling chain before commenting on AP. But even if the AP gap is one shot worthy, Sonic has Resurrection, so he would come back instantly, and with the Chaos Emeralds he could revive Knuckles as well. And once he is back, Sonic will instantly realize that fighting physically isn’t the way to go, so he will resort to his hax, which Goku and Piccolo really have no counter for (Chaos Control, Ring Time, or the Wisps to name a few). So I’m voting Sonic and Knuckles.

Edit: just saw Gilad’s comment. I still think Sonic and Knuckles for reasons above.

Edit 2: Just saw Shake’s comment. Even more reason to vote for Sonic and Knuckles
 
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Sonic and Knuckles likely don't get one-shot, as Post-Forces Sonic has the AP to stomp Pre-Forces Sonic. And even if Goku scales to 244.5 Tenatons, it'd only be one-shot worthy if we assume Sonic scales flatly to 32 Tenatons. Which he doesn't, he upscales pretty heavily even before Forces' time jump.
 
ShakeResounding said:
Sonic and Knuckles likely don't get one-shot, as Post-Forces Sonic has the AP to stomp Pre-Forces Sonic. And even if Goku scales to 244.5 Tenatons, it'd only be one-shot worthy if we assume Sonic scales flatly to 32 Tenatons. Which he doesn't, he upscales pretty heavily even before Forces' time jump.
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I like how this battle essentially boils down to Goku Vs Sonic since both Piccolo and Knux both got jobbered in their respective franchises (on top of having their rival position stolen) they might as well be the same character tbh.
 
Alright then. Goku and Piccolo got the AP advantage going for them most likely, even if it's not a one shot, but Sonic and Knuckles are very skilled in their own right too, and have some haxes to overcome the AP gap. Sonic also have the Light Speed Dash and Boost to amp himself, and Knuckles has his Maximum Heat Attack
 
While Goku and Piccolo seems to hold a sizable AP advantage, not even the record of the said is completely enough, Sonic can use the energy of his own soul to ressurect when he is completely defeated, which would make him resort to the time hax of the emeralds that he has alongside Knuckles in-character and incap in the process with dura neg, as long as he keeps the fight going on long enough to use a special move directly from it, techniques such as the Time Break can also deal with this, as Sonic will slow down Goku's movements by the passing seconds to gain advantage and use defensive tactics, and since Sonic has a sign of precognition, he will know the danger that Goku's attacks can cause up to him in the process.


So Sonic should take this via better hax and versatility with pretty much high-diff, while his conventional attacks wouldn't matter much in this situation.

Knuckles would be simply a punching bag here if he doesn't use stats amp, as Piccolo holds power comparable to a SSJ at this time and he doesn't have a good bunch of the abilities that Sonic holds up.
 
Well, if my comment isn't obviously implied through, I'm voting Sonic and Knuckles for the match.
 
Keep in mind, all characters are FTL+, so the 10,000,000 miles that characters can be pushed off of can be traversed in seconds... I am now changing the push off distance to 33,550,000,000 so it takes a second for the characters to get to the border.
 
Sonic and Knuckles also have the FAR superior Lifting Strength, making ring-outs also in their favor.

Rad Red and the Blue Blur FRA.
 
Funny thing this is actually can be added.

Sonic & Knuckles & Knuckles & Knuckles & Knuckles & Knuckles & Knuckles & Knuckles & Knuckles.... FRA
 
The gap is 7.6x, Goku and piccolo just one shot. It doesn't matter if sonic and knuckles have a long scaling chain, it would still count as a one shot, and Goku and piccolo are easily able to get 1 hit in for each.
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
The gap is 7.6x, Goku and piccolo just one shot. It doesn't matter if sonic and knuckles have a long scaling chain, it would still count as a one shot, and Goku and piccolo are easily able to get 1 hit in for each.
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That actually does matter since it saves Sonic and Knuckles from being one shotted by them. Both Sonic and Knuckles scale ridiculously higher than their feats as of now

Goku and Piccolo also highly upscale from Frieza's feat and the added multipliers
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
That actually does matter since it saves Sonic and Knuckles from being one shotted by them. Both Sonic and Knuckles scale ridiculously higher than their feats as of now

Goku and Piccolo also highly upscale from Frieza's feat and the added multipliers
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But I thought the gap is unquantifiable, so the gap is still 7.6, and yeah Goku and piccolo DO upscale above even their value too.
 
What can sonic and knuckles do about dudes who can one shot them in one attack? BTW Piccolo is stronger than Goku here, so he doesn't have any stamina drain and also regen.
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
What can sonic and knuckles do about dudes who can one shot them in one attack? BTW Piccolo is stronger than Goku here, so he doesn't have any stamina drain and also regen.
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Sonic has resurrection, as argued above, which will mean he'll revive himself, likely Knuckles too with the Emeralds (he can use them as they are standard equipment for Sonic, but in Base he can't use them to turn Super), and then hax Goku and Piccolo

Besides, Sonic can boost his speed with Light Speed Attack (that also doubles his damage output), and use the boost to gain a significant speed advantage over Goku and Piccolo, as while speed is equalized, Sonic can use his speed amps here
 
Keep in mind that Sonic and Knuckles also have prior knowledge on location since it's taking place on Angel Island. Not listed above, but it's only the knowledge they would have IC.
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Sonic has resurrection, as argued above, which will mean he'll revive himself, likely Knuckles too with the Emeralds (he can use them as they are standard equipment for Sonic, but in Base he can't use them to turn Super), and then hax Goku and Piccolo

Besides, Sonic can boost his speed with Light Speed Attack (that also doubles his damage output), and use the boost to gain a significant speed advantage over Goku and Piccolo, as while speed is equalized, Sonic can use his speed amps here
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Wait. How do Goku and piccolo win if their opponents just revive?
 
Only Sonic can revive here, since this is an ability in this key that's tied with the Soul Gauge.


Knuckles can close the AP gap by using Passive stats amp and the Maximum Heat Attack in turn, which is the same as the LSA.
 
Piccolo have the Mafuba doesn't he? He can try use that to seal if nothing else works at worst case scenario
 
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