10-A, 9-C with Weapons Tournament. Round 1 Match 8. Black Hat vs AAHW

[Peppersalt43]

Villainous Character : 0
Jobbers : 7
Incon : 0

Grunts used
Grunts have access to fire axes
2 Grunts are present
Anything above 9-C is restricted
Speed equalized
Fight takes place in the Colosseum, 10 meters apart

 

[Lou_change]

What can Black hat do

 

[Comiphorous]

Grunts are trained soldiers and have superior reaction speeds, and it isn't out of the question for them to dodge attacks as grunts have dodged attacks from several enemies (IIRC grunts have dodged attacks from early hank and MAG: Torture).

i think they take this mid diff only because they're ******* cowards, and will eventually jump him and beat him down after being mostly defensive

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Kinda agree, black hat don't have much combat presense and mostly took other by surprise, trough. Making someone burst into blood with a punch probable means he has the AP advantage here

But 2 grunts + them being defensive cowards should give them the victory

 

[SpiteBattles]

Couldn’t Black Hat just overwhelm them with his speech?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Couldn’t Black Hat just overwhelm them with his speech?

This wouldn't work against 2 I think, but beinge able to fly and shooting lightining...

He is basicaly a nerfed jesus, so I thing jumping Black Hat wouldn't work, changing to black hat for versatility

 

[Comiphorous]

does he IC start with flying and range spam?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

does he IC start with flying and range spam?

He seens to kinda do diferent things on each apearance, so every thing is in the table

 

[DontTalkDT]

I would say Agency. Black Hat is too likely to not take optimal actions.

 

[Comiphorous]

He seens to kinda do diferent things on each apearance, so every thing is in the table

ah. he's that kind of character.

yeah, not sure if you'd consider that his first move if he's random on what he does first. not sure how the wiki treats a character who's starting move is completely random.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

ah. he's that kind of character.

yeah, not sure if you'd consider that his first move if he's random on what he does first. not sure how the wiki treats a character who's starting move is completely random.

He basicaly exagerate on his reaction, seeing his comics liked on his profile seens like he would go to the optimal the point he notices he can't stomp the grunts

 

[rawXDglomp]

Black hat since his highest showings are above those the grunts are allowed access to, and his nature as a character (being a gag) means he has no real consistent power level to assume he's at.

 

[Comiphorous]

Black hat since his highest showings are above those the grunts are allowed access to, and his nature as a character (being a gag) means he has no real consistent power level to assume he's at.

gag = inconsistant power???

yeah thats ******* stupid. even popeye or saitama shows pretty consistent power throughout their series. he's street level here (with weaponry) and so are the grunts.

 

[rawXDglomp]

Yes. In his case, his showings are inconsistent.
Especially on his profile where they unironically scale him to 'planning' to use drones to cut off a piece of land, not even actually doing it.

 

[Peppersalt43]

he has no real consistent power level to assume he's at.

Anything above 9-C is restricted

I foresaw that. All of his higher showings are above 9-B

 

[Comiphorous]

Yes. In his case, his showings are inconsistent.
Especially on his profile where they unironically scale him to 'planning' to use drones to cut off a piece of land, not even actually doing it.

thats because everything else he's done shows he can do that.

its like the bill cipher solar system level feat. he doesn't actually do that, but we know he's capable of such. the same applies here.

 

[Comiphorous]

but anyways, if his starting move depends on what the grunts do first chances are he just gets jumped due to the fact the second they begin pig piling him he wont have much he can do.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

but anyways, if his starting move depends on what the grunts do first chances are he just gets jumped due to the fact the second they begin pig piling him he wont have much he can do.

If thee grunts start tring to dodge he eill just goe to his atacks to end this alread and don't have to deal with such nonsense

 

[Comiphorous]

If thee grunts start tring to dodge he eill just goe to his atacks to end this alread and don't have to deal with such nonsense

despite what it says, grunts are not complete (heavy emphasis on not complete) cowards and wont just sit there waiting for him to do something to dodge.

they are actually quite ******* stupid. blindly running at people who outmatch them in miles (grunts have ran at mag: torture with nothing but a baton without a second thought). they actually might just throw themselves at him and beat him over the head with axes and lolreact to whatever he tries using

 

[JustANormalLemon]

despite what it says, grunts are not complete (heavy emphasis on not complete) cowards and wont just sit there waiting for him to do something to dodge.

they are actually quite ******* stupid. blindly running at people who outmatch them in miles (grunts have ran at mag: torture with nothing but a baton without a second thought). they actually might just throw themselves at him and beat him over the head with axes and lolreact to whatever he tries using

If they try to dodge once blackhat will go to one of his more dificult to dodge powers, sinse he is a character that really dislikes nonsese

 

[Comiphorous]

If they try to dodge once blackhat will go to one of his more dificult to dodge powers, sinse he is a character that really dislikes nonsese

by the time the grunts are dodging his attacks up close to him, it'll be too late to switch strategies and would already be getting stabbed by two axes.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

by the time the grunts are dodging his attacks up close to him, it'll be too late to switch strategies and would already be getting stabbed by two axes.

He would probable try to punch or grab and cut them with a knife, trough I don't see why would be to late

 

[Comiphorous]

He would probable try to punch or grab and cut them with a knife, trough I don't see why would be to late

punch them? theres another to counter that.

grab them? same LS, they can escape (and theres another one there to counter that)

cut em with a knife? theres another to counter that.

he has to start with range to reliably win. unless the two don't work together (which is very uncommon in madness combat for two grunts to not work in harmony). so he does have a good wincon, but by the time the grunts are in melee range its too late to change strategy

 

[JustANormalLemon]

punch them? theres another to counter that.

grab them? same LS, they can escape (and theres another one there to counter that)

cut em with a knife? theres another to counter that.

he has to start with range to reliably win. unless the two don't work together (which is very uncommon in madness combat for two grunts to not work in harmony). so he does have a good wincon, but by the time the grunts are in melee range its too late to change strategy

Hum, Ok, fair enough, but just to be sure, how do you think the battle will ocuor?

 

[CrackerVolley]

My two cents on the matchup so far:
+ I like to believe that Black Hat would start out semi-seriously for several reasons, notably that he is not fond of being antagonized and his general sense of sadism (although that is more on a casual side).
+ The inner rings of the amphitheater have a lot of walls and doorways, obscuring sightlines. This is generally better for Black Hat than the Grunts because the former would be to approach stealthily using his Genius intelligence, sound manip, and hiding inside his hat.
+ Black Hat could separate them do to their cowardice and pick them off individually.

Black Hat wins 8/10 times, mid diff.

 

[Comiphorous]

Hum, Ok, fair enough, but just to be sure, how do you think the battle will ocuor?

Grunts appear, run towards him like a bunch of dumbasses, Black hat doesn't like being antagonized, most likely opens up with speech, probably disorients one of them the other attacks him, realizes he gotta range spam, gets pig piled as he tries flying

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Grunts appear, run towards him like a bunch of dumbasses, Black hat doesn't like being antagonized, most likely opens up with speech, probably disorients one of them the other attacks him, realizes he gotta range spam, gets pig piled as he tries flying

I think you are lowbaling black hat

 

[DontTalkDT]

Purely statistically Black Hat has more frequently used physical assault against people than any of his superpowers. (honestly the superpowers seem to be forgotten outside of the comics they originate from)
So I'm inclined to believe that he would do so here as well, in lack of any other solid evidence.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Purely statistically Black Hat has more frequently used physical assault against people than any of his superpowers. (honestly the superpowers seem to be forgotten outside of the comics they originate from)
So I'm inclined to believe that he would do so here as well, in lack of any other solid evidence.

I mean, ge uses a new power to deal with others every time they get on his nerves without exitation

 

[Comiphorous]

I think you are lowbaling black hat

considering the fact that they're basically equal besides speed and intelligence, I wouldn't say so.

Black hat can outsmart them but from the looks of it if he's getting antagonized/bothered he opens with speech-eque attacks.

which, will get him screwed over since there's two of them and he'll get body piled

 

[JustANormalLemon]

considering the fact that they're basically equal besides speed and intelligence, I wouldn't say so.

Black hat can outsmart them but from the looks of it if he's getting antagonized/bothered he opens with speech-eque attacks.

which, will get him screwed over since there's two of them and he'll get body piled

Why his speach can't affect the 2 grounts

 

[Comiphorous]

Why his speach can't affect the 2 grounts

because he has to begin speaking it, and that takes time, and in that time he's going to be beaten over the head with an axe while speaking it.

10 meters isn't far. they can cross that distance pretty easily to attack him before they're overwhelmed.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

because he has to begin speaking it, and that takes time, and in that time he's going to be beaten over the head with an axe while speaking it.

10 meters isn't far. they can cross that distance pretty easily to attack him before they're overwhelmed.

I don't think 10 meters is a lot to atack someone before they start speeking

 

[Comiphorous]

I don't think 10 meters is a lot to atack someone before they start speeking

to be overwhelmed by someone speaking takes more than just speaking once.

if all he had to do was speak anything to overwhelm someone, anyone he spoke to would get overwhelmed (which doesn't happen obviously). he has to continue speaking for a long period of time before they're overwhelmed with whatever he's saying, which gives more than enough time for them to run over and cut him up.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

if all he had to do was speak anything to overwhelm someone, anyone he spoke to would get overwhelmed (which doesn't happen obviously). he has to continue speaking for a long period of time before they're overwhelmed with whatever he's saying, which gives more than enough time for them to run over and cut him up.

He acctually just need to start talking random number and they will literaly be trow away by the speech, and he just needed one panel of a comic to do such a feat

 

[Comiphorous]

He acctually just need to start talking random number and they will literaly be trow away by the speech, and he just needed one panel of a comic to do such a feat

and saying a shit ton of numbers takes time. it still stands if he starts with disorientating it will take him time to because he's actively speaking.

he doesn't just say a shit ton of numbers all at the same time, he's actively just blabbering shit and it overwhelms people.

that takes time.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

he doesn't just say a shit ton of numbers all at the same time, he's actively just blabbering shit and it overwhelms people.

He acctualy seen to do such

It took a small amout of time to say this in the comice he used such power ocuping only one panel and It worked like some sorch of "Bean" better look the comic, It's um his fest os black hat profile

 

[Comiphorous]

He acctualy seen to do such

It took a small amout of time to say this in the comice he used such power ocuping only one panel and It worked like some sorch of "Bean" better look the comic, It's um his fest os black hat profile

occupying one panel =/= saying something all at once

does Deadpool say everything he does at the same exact time in one panel? of course not he's actively speaking it one line to the next, the same applies here.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

occupying one panel =/= saying something all at once

does Deadpool say everything he does at the same exact time in one panel? of course not he's actively speaking it one line to the next, the same applies here.

It's beacuse the number he said where overlaping one another in his speek bubble indicating overlaping speek, and even in such case the overwhelming speek start as soon he start talking

 

[Comiphorous]

It's beacuse the number he said where overlaping one another in his speek bubble indicating overlaping speek, and even in such case the overwhelming speek start as soon he start talking

if you truly believe he says everything in that panel all at once, make a crt to put that on the profile, as not only do no numbers on that panel actually overlap, but that's just speculation that he's saying all the numbers at once.

speaking something all at once would look something like this;

it clearly shows they're saying multiple things at the same time (or in this case, multiple voices saying the same exact thing from one being)