1-A bayverse Transformers

Hi, we gonna talk about the Allspark from bayverse and how it is 1-A.
Well there are 2 ways we can make it 1-A.
First is it creating spatiotemporal framework of the bayverse cosmology.
- 00:51 "Before time began, there was the cube"
Since space cannot exist without time and vice versa, makes the allspark exists beyond the spatiotemporal framework. and since the allspark created the universe, we can assume it also created the the framework
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THE OTHER FORMAT
Since the allspark can create Sparks of transformers,

Which Transcends the multiverse, and directly comes from the afterspark

 

[Re5yh]

That's not enough to become 1-A

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

This is not 1A

 

[StarShooter80]

We also split the canon of the IDW movie comics and the films so statements regarding the All-Spark creating the universe aren't viable

 

[Whatsthemeanigoflive]

I have to mention that, the metaphysical part of a transformers soul, transcends the kingdom (possibly other spheres of the TOL) because they emerge from the afterspark. and the allspark can just create them lol.

 

[Optimus.negz]

Hi, we gonna talk about the Allspark from bayverse and how it is 1-A.
Well there are 2 ways we can make it 1-A.
First is it creating spatiotemporal framework of the bayverse cosmology.
- 00:51 "Before time began, there was the cube"
Since space cannot exist without time and vice versa, makes the allspark exists beyond the spatiotemporal framework. and since the allspark created the universe, we can assume it also created the the framework
.

Overall no, firstly the Allspark should only be Low-2-C through the creation of the universe and the emergence of space and time. Now, in the FAQ, it is clearly stated that preceding a concept does not automatically give it ontological superiority. The statement regarding the comics should not be taken into account as explained above.
THE OTHER FORMAT
Since the allspark can create Sparks of transformers,

Which Transcends the multiverse, and directly comes from the afterspark

it talks about the sparks that go to the afterlife, so not when they are in the material world; it makes sense since they are going towards Kether. And you should make a distinction between the AllSpark of the Bayverse and the one from the novels...

 

[Whatsthemeanigoflive]

except like, the souls still emerge from kether lol, and both physical reality and metaphysical concept can coexist, it doesnt need the spark to die at all

 

[Optimus.negz]

except like, the souls still emerge from kether lol, and both physical reality and metaphysical concept can coexist, it doesnt need the spark to die at all

So you literally refute the statements that you show.

 

[Whatsthemeanigoflive]

if you create a directly, a new spark it would still create their metaphysical concept, further proven when it says all sparks reside at the core of cybertron

 

[JPTheGamer]

Yeeaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh... no.

 

[Katipax]

NOOOO PLEASE DONT DO THIS TO YOURSELF BROTHER PLEEEAASSEEE DONT AS A BAYVERSE SHILL I AM BEGGING YOU

 

[Whatsthemeanigoflive]

NOOOO PLEASE DONT DO THIS TO YOURSELF BROTHER PLEEEAASSEEE DONT AS A BAYVERSE SHILL I AM BEGGING YOU

what if i wanna be a bv shill

 

[Katipax]

what if i wanna be a bv shill

The AllSpark is at most 1-B due to the fact that it created the universe, which is composed of 17-21 Dimensions and should be consistent with a Vector Prime statement of universe standards being 17D. And you can't use scans from the Book of Revelations because it isn't canon.

 

[Whatsthemeanigoflive]

The AllSpark is at most 1-B due to the fact that it created the universe, which is composed of 17-21 Dimensions and should be consistent with a Vector Prime statement of universe standards being 17D. And you can't use scans from the Book of Revelations because it isn't canon.

except, the metaphysical parts of the souls isnt only mentioned in the book of revelations, in the singularity abylss the souls reside in the afterspark
it should atleast have 1-A range if anything, prob ap too

 

[Katipax]

except, the metaphysical parts of the souls isnt only mentioned in the book of revelations, in the singularity abylss the souls reside in the afterspark
it should atleast have 1-A range if anything, prob ap too

Well even if Sparks are metaphysical you can't apply to the Bayverse Allspark because it clearly isn't the same

 

[Whatsthemeanigoflive]

except the transformers contuinitys share cosmology so theres that

 

[Katipax]

except the transformers contuinitys share cosmology so theres that

They do share the same cosmology, but wouls you scale the Matrix of Leadership in the Bayverse to every other Matrix??

 

[Whatsthemeanigoflive]

no because in some contuinitys matrix is not a essence of primus, while in most contuinites the sparks do come from afterspark or primus himself

 

[Katipax]

no because in some contuinitys matrix is not a essence of primus, while in most contuinites the sparks do come from afterspark or primus himself

"Most"

Then I would argue that Bayverse isn't one of those "most" continuities

 

[Whatsthemeanigoflive]

"Most"

Then I would argue that Bayverse isn't one of those "most" continuities

why wouldnt it be? further proven by the fact that primus does exist in the contuinity

 

[DaReaperMan]

why wouldnt it be? further proven by the fact that primus does exist in the contuinity

Because assumptions make an ASS out of U and MING.

 

[Crimson_cordx]

The AllSpark is at most 1-B due to the fact that it created the universe, which is composed of 17-21 Dimensions and should be consistent with a Vector Prime statement of universe standards being 17D. And you can't use scans from the Book of Revelations because it isn't canon.

1-B Allspark? u gave me an idea...

 

[Katipax]

1-B Allspark? u gave me an idea...

This doesn't work for many reasons:

1. It can be inferred that the AllSpark will not be destroyed by Prime's spark, but it will destrpy itself and him together. We see that happen with Megatron.

2. The Fallen confirms in the scene of Megatron's revival that the AllSpark itself can never be destroyed, and that the AllSpark in question was simply its vessel: The Cube.

 

[RippleFrog]

Conflating the Allspark from the movie with Singularity Ablyss feels like a reach. All canon is unified in Transformers yes, but this doesn't mean the abstract metaphysical way that Ablyss deals with Primus creating sparks from a higher plane should apply as literally to stories unrelated to that. Are we going to argue now that the planet Cybertron and its moons being able to create sparks that are harvested in the IDW comics makes a completely normal moon tier 1A? Is IDW Tarantulas Outerversal because he created the artificial spark that brought Springer to life? It's obvious there's a delineation between creating the physical life-powering spark and creating the metaphysical essence of one, and in fact Hasbro is even aware of this as they directly wrote this into their leaked Binder of Revelation documents, the scan of which you have in the OP of this thread. Which directly says all Sparks are fragments of Primus that Transcend the mortal realm. While the Allspark is something that was created per the Bayformers comics from the big bang.

This is the type of cross-scaling for Transformers that I will always be adamantly against. You are using the Bayformers comic lore (valid) and tying it into both Singularity Ablyss, and the Binder of Revelation, neither of which are talking about the same concepts as what the Bay comics are.

On a metaphysical level, all sparks come from Primus. On a physical level they don't necessarily, and your scans do not indicate the Allspark is responsible for the metaphysical act of creating, they only refer to things Primus has done.