1-A and Transduality

[Onel]

Ok so I have a few questions and my friend also wanted me to make a thread about transduality, so I thought I’d do it with this. I got like 2 answers for my questions but I was never really given any good reason from what I saw, so I thought that I should post it here and see

my questions:

1. I’m going to assume that principles and concepts are the same. So, does transcending the principle of dimensionality get you to 1-A? If not, then I’d like a good reason as to why.

2. If that doesn’t work out, then does transcending the principles/concepts time, space and dimensionality get you to 1-A? I see it as the same thing as “existing beyond all extensions of the concepts (space and time) which they transcend.” And of course, the thing doing all of this would be an abstract being.


My friends question:

Does transduality get you to 1-A? If not, then why?

 

[Orioreeem]

Waiting for Sus to answer your questions again

 

[Lapsad]

1. I guess not , why ? , Our wiki didn't allowed that you need more context and concept of dimension mean nothing without evidence to explain how the dimension in question work.

2.the answer it does like " transcending concept of dimension doesn't grant you 1-A" , the reason same as above.

Honestly 1 and 2 is literally same thing.

3. Depending on type.

 

[Darksmash]

Concepts don't have any generalised use across fiction. You would need more context to place them in a tier.

 

[Sus]

Waiting for Sus to answer your questions again

lmaoo

1. I’m going to assume that principles and concepts are the same. So, does transcending the principle of dimensionality get you to 1-A? If not, then I’d like a good reason as to why.

how many times did i answer this ? jeez dude, if there's no feats and context, no

2. If that doesn’t work out, then does transcending the principles/concepts time, space and dimensionality get you to 1-A? I see it as the same thing as “existing beyond all extensions of the concepts (space and time) which they transcend.” And of course, the thing doing all of this would be an abstract being.

as before

Does transduality get you to 1-A? If not, then why?

types 1 and 2 doesn't, types 3 and 4 does.

 

[Sus]

like no offense but you're trying so hard to push a certain character to 1A when it's not

please provide scans and I'll tell you what it need to be 1A..

 

[DemonKingAkuto]

like no offense but you're trying so hard to push a certain character to 1A when it's not

please provide scans and I'll tell you what it need to be 1A..

I have 3 guesses. Some mythology bs, issei wank or rimuru wank

 

[Sus]

I have 3 guesses. Some mythology bs, issei wank or rimuru wank

u guessed right, it's tensura verse

 

[DemonKingAkuto]

u guessed right, it's tensura verse

Rimuru will never be outer. BTW Akuto negs

 

[Sus]

Rimuru will never be outer. BTW Akuto negs

agumon one shots

 

[DemonKingAkuto]

agumon one shots

Yes, he beats Rimuru, easily.
Not Akuto though

 

[Sus]

Yes, he beats Rimuru, easily.
Not Akuto though

at least digimon is actually enjoyable

 

[DemonKingAkuto]

at least digimon is actually enjoyable

L take. dkd manga is peak fiction

 

[Sus]

L take. dkd manga is peak fiction

ok let's stop derailing

 

[DemonKingAkuto]

ok let's stop derailing

Well duh

 

[Guardian_Doge]

These are supposed to be specific answers, wasn't really answered. Darksmash also is pretty much right, it's case by case but I'll explain I suppose.

1. I’m going to assume that principles and concepts are the same.

Not necessarily, concepts have a general form of existence that can span on any level, for example I can utilize the concept of dimensions, but it would only extend to the dimensionality shown inverse, hell, a concept doesn't even have to be omnipresent, that's why there's different conceptual types. (None really fit a principle.)
A principle on the other hand, is the basis and foundation of every concept that exists or does not exist, without principle there are no concepts. (Not like it matters because principle manipulation is not an ability here.) Basically a principle is the system while the concepts are just the workers.

So, does transcending the principle of dimensionality get you to 1-A? If not, then I’d like a good reason as to why.

It does, under the correct circumstances. Let's say a verse has an unknown amount of higher dimensions (directly said, no vague statements.), it could get low 1-A, because the principle would extend it's system to an unquantifiable amount, and you by transcending this principle would see the general systemization of higher layers of uncountable infinite as [likely] insignificant or a tool. However this is theoretical, and often times hard to justify.

A reason as to why not? Simple. Simply "transcending" a system doesn't automatically prove your entirely separate it from it. You can transcend the concept of it on a singular level and it would only get you a single higher layer above the verse. (Number 2 was answered by this as well.

Does transduality get you to 1-A? If not, then why?

Type 3 (True General Transduality): A state of being which is qualitatively beyond and superior to the nature of binary logic or duality at any level, including the conceptual, standing beyond the scope of all dual systems and concepts regardless of how complex they are. Such characters typically exist as contradictions within the context of their setting, and abide to dialetheic systems of logic, or are portrayed as existing within a state of single, indivisible wholeness bereft of any separation. As space and time themselves can be considered a duality, as well as the distinction between being within/outside spatio-temporal dimensionality’s limitations, this type is reserved for 1-A characters and up.

Type 4 (Plurality): A state of being which is qualitatively beyond and superior to the nature of even the distinction between duality and transduality. Such characters will usually not obey the laws of normal logic at any level, and will obey completely different systems of logic altogether, up to and including those states which are beyond human comprehension. A basic example of Plurality is characters whose fundamental nature operates under many-valued or certain kinds of non-classical logic, where many different values can exist that are not true or false, 0/1/2, or any dichotomies in between. However, simply being able to use many-valued logic in a feat context does not qualify a character for this type, such characters must demonstrate true qualitative superiority to all types of dual distinctions. Naturally, only 1-A characters and up can have this type, as it exists outside all possible dual distinctions.

Depends how their transduality is actually shown to work.

 

[Sus]

These are supposed to be specific answers, wasn't really answered. Darksmash also is pretty much right, it's case by case but I'll explain I suppose.

Not necessarily, concepts have a general form of existence that can span on any level, for example I can utilize the concept of dimensions, but it would only extend to the dimensionality shown inverse, hell, a concept doesn't even have to be omnipresent, that's why there's different types of conceptual types. (None really fit a principle.)
A principle on the other hand, is the basis and foundation of every concept that exists or does not exist, without principle there are no concepts. (Not like it matters because principle manipulation is not an ability here.) Basically a principle is the system while the concepts are just the workers.

It does, under the correct circumstances. Let's say a verse has an unknown amount of higher dimensions (directly said, no vague statements.), it could get low 1-A, because the principle would extend it's system to an unquantifiable amount, and you by transcending this principle would see the general systemization of higher layers of uncountable infinite as [likely] insignificant or a tool. However this is theoretical, and often times hard to justify.

A reason as to why not? Simple. Simply "transcending" a system doesn't automatically prove your entirely separate it from it. You can transcend the concept of it on a singular level and it would only get you a single higher layer above the verse. (Number 2 was answered by this as well.


Depends how their transduality is actually shown to work.

i didn't explain in detail because this is the 6th time he asks the same questions

 

[Guardian_Doge]

i didn't explain in detail because this is the 6th time he asks the same questions

It's ok. I hope he doesn't ask a next time the same thing. If he does, he'll just need to satisfy himself with previous answers.

 

[Onel]

Thanks, that makes sense I guess. So types 3 and 4 are the only types that give you outer for transduality?

On that note, wouldn’t a dimension instantly view another dimension as mere fiction if it had context saying that there are different levels of dimensions? So it wouldn’t all be on a single scale and instead it would be like 1D, 2D, 3D, ect..
what are your thoughts on that?

 

[Lormac_CC]

Thanks, that makes sense I guess. So types 3 and 4 are the only types that give you outer for transduality?

On that note, wouldn’t a dimension instantly view another dimension as mere fiction if it had context saying that there are different levels of dimensions? So it wouldn’t all be on a single scale and instead it would be like 1D, 2D, 3D, ect..
what are your thoughts on that?

No, even if the contexts says higher level of realities, it wouldn't still grant stuff like that, it would need much more.

 

[Sus]

Thanks, that makes sense I guess. So types 3 and 4 are the only types that give you outer for transduality?

On that note, wouldn’t a dimension instantly view another dimension as mere fiction if it had context saying that there are different levels of dimensions? So it wouldn’t all be on a single scale and instead it would be like 1D, 2D, 3D, ect..
what are your thoughts on that?

it needs context of qualitative superiority (aleph one^)

 

[Sus]

Thanks, that makes sense I guess. So types 3 and 4 are the only types that give you outer for transduality?

yeah, they're hard to achieve and i heard the ability is getting revised so idk

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

yeah, they're hard to achieve and i heard the ability is getting revised so idk

Yes it is. they say once revised even a character that isn't tier 1 could have type 4.

 

[Sus]

Yes it is. they say once revised even a character that isn't tier 1 could have type 4.

@Onel sorry for your loss

 

[Onel]

@Onel sorry for your loss

Huh?

 

[Onel]

No, even if the contexts says higher level of realities, it wouldn't still grant stuff like that, it would need much more.

Alright

 

[Sus]

Huh?

nvm

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

you need at lest these contexts to appear.

1.dimensions that are boundless or infinite in size

2.existence of higher dimensions that are above the lower ones

 

[Sus]

you can send scans in discord and i will index them

 

[Onel]

Isn’t it said on irrelevant speed?

Irrelevant (Characters beyond, and qualitatively superior to, the concepts of dimensions of time and space themselves. Meaning: Tier 1-A and above.)

transcending dimensions of time and space is tier 1-A. That’s the same thing as transcending dimensionality, time, and space, is it not?

 

[Sus]

Isn’t it said on irrelevant speed?

Irrelevant (Characters beyond, and qualitatively superior to, the concepts of dimensions of time and space themselves. Meaning: Tier 1-A and above.)

transcending dimensions of time and space is tier 1-A. That’s the same thing as transcending dimensionality, time, and space, is it not?

that's being beyond all dimensional scale
being beyond linear time is immeasurable