07th expansion cosmology buff due to 07th theater.

[BasedNecoScaler69]

07th theater was a 2 part series created by 07th expansion for their "07th party events"

Now during this, each character jumps into a scenario where they're in each of the major 07th series that were made at the time ( Higurashi, Umineko, Rose Guns Days, Higanbana)
It's strongly implied that they view their own and each other's verses as fiction, since the theater is above it.

Is it possible to raise each of the characters that appear above the Umineko/main 07th cosmology as a result?

Link to full 07th theater as reference, as it's only an hour long :

07TH THEATER ENGLISH - YouTube​

www.youtube.com › watch

Proposed change: buff every character shown to 1-B due to existing somewhere above bern's catbox

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

A list of each 07th character that appears is listed here

07th Theater

07th Theater (07thシアター, 07th Theater) is a crossover visual novel series released by 07th Expansion at their 07th Expansion Party events. It features characters from Higurashi When They Cry, Umineko When They Cry, Higanbana no Saku Yoru ni, and Rose Guns Days playing games and interacting. One...

07th-expansion.fandom.com

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Bump

 

[Ovy7]

07th Theater would, at most, give all the characters that appeared in it a new key that would likely be 1-B. I'm genuinely indifferent to the idea, but I guess that 1-B Rena would be quite pog. . .

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

07th Theater would, at most, give all the characters that appeared in it a new key that would likely be 1-B. I'm genuinely indifferent to the idea, but I guess that 1-B Rena would be quite pog. . .

Hyperversal higurashi here we come

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Anyway, where would the 07th theater fit into the cosmology? Above the entire thing, or only the sea of kakera

 

[Darksmash]

So what's the highest plane of existence we see in this event?

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

So what's the highest plane of existence we see in this event?

The highest plane of existence you see the event is the theater where most of the story occurs. It's known for a fact that this theater is at least above the sea of fragments, as bernkastel talks about sending the losing team to the worst fragment in 07th theater 2. However, there is an implication that it may scale above the cosmology, as each character views the events of all 07th works ( 07th theater was finished in 2014, so this does not include ciconia) as fiction.

You could either scale the theater as a 1-b structure if you want to scale it above the sea of fragments, or a 1-a structure if you believe it's above the entire cosmology, both have equal justification imo

 

[Goatzuki21]

iirc there's a scan that actually can make human domain become h1b again, since human domain use hierarcial relationtship

 

[Darksmash]

The highest plane of existence you see the event is the theater where most of the story occurs. It's known for a fact that this theater is at least above the sea of fragments, as bernkastel talks about sending the losing team to the worst fragment in 07th theater 2. However, there is an implication that it may scale above the cosmology, as each character views the events of all 07th works ( 07th theater was finished in 2014, so this does not include ciconia) as fiction.

You could either scale the theater as a 1-b structure if you want to scale it above the sea of fragments, or a 1-a structure if you believe it's above the entire cosmology, both have equal justification imo

I don't think a mere mention of the sea of fragments implies that the location is above it. Bernkastel talks about fragments in Umineko regardless of her current plane of existence, even in the human domain.

 

[Darksmash]

iirc there's a scan that actually can make human domain become h1b again, since human domain use hierarcial relationtship

Post it

 

[Goatzuki21]

Post it

Later, for now i just want to do a few thing bout truths

 

[EndlessWords]

iirc there's a scan that actually can make human domain become h1b again, since human domain use hierarcial relationtship

If you mean this scan, it is already taken into account I think

 

[Darksmash]

Probably talking about the trianthology scans, which are also taken into account and don't lead to any change in the cosmology

 

[Ovy7]

So what's the highest plane of existence we see in this event?

The Theater itself, which is probably somewhere between Bern's Catbox and CoB in the hierarchy.

which are also taken into account and don't lead to any change in the cosmology

Because I haven't tried to fit them into the cosmology yet.

 

[Goatzuki21]

If you mean this scan, it is already taken into account I think

Cant see it, which novel?

 

[Goatzuki21]

Probably talking about the trianthology scans, which are also taken into account and don't lead to any change in the cosmology

Yes its lead cuz human domain use hierarchial relationship we can assume that there is r-f on human domain

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

 

[EndlessWords]

Cant see it, which novel?

From Umineko Chiru : Episode 7 (Requiem of the Golden Witch)

 

[Darksmash]

Yes its lead cuz human domain use hierarchial relationship we can assume that there is r-f on human domain

Yeah and that's kinda useless for a tier change because:
1) The layers form a cycle which leads to a logical contradiction, implying that the only consistent solution is to treat them as parallel universes (which seems to be the case considering they are different Kakeras)
2) They still do not result in an infinite number of layers for the human domain. At best they will add like 2-3 layers(how would that even work with a cyclic hierarchy anyway?)

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

The Theater itself, which is probably somewhere between Bern's Catbox and CoB in the hierarchy.


Because I haven't tried to fit them into the cosmology yet.

the theater is at least higher than the story of "umineko", so the theater might be above the CoB at least

 

[Darksmash]

the theater is at least higher than the story of "umineko", so the theater might be above the CoB at least

Is there anything explicitly implying that though? "Umineko" can also refer to just the human domain parts of the story, or maybe upto a certain meta level.

 

[Duragoji123]

Following

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Is there anything explicitly implying that though? "Umineko" can also refer to just the human domain parts of the story, or maybe upto a certain meta level.

nothing i can find except this , but the umineko story does not just include the human domain

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

a little but of funny wank

 

[Darksmash]

nothing i can find except this , but the umineko story does not just include the human domain

Yeah but that's common in WTC. Umineko references Higurashi as a story (even though the Higurashi story includes the meta world), Higanbana references Umineko (although to be fair it's only called "Rokkenjima" iirc) etc. So I don't think that explains anything unless we have explicit confirmation of what cosmology it encompasses.

 

[Ovy7]

the theater is at least higher than the story of "umineko", so the theater might be above the CoB at least

CoB is not part of the story of Umineko considering it's directly stated that said story would barely be a sentence in a random book in CoB.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Nice but even if their 1-B no yogiri matches (no death resistance etc)

 

[Dr3amcaster]

Yeah and that's kinda useless for a tier change because:
1) The layers form a cycle which leads to a logical contradiction, implying that the only consistent solution is to treat them as parallel universes (which seems to be the case considering they are different Kakeras)
2) They still do not result in an infinite number of layers for the human domain. At best they will add like 2-3 layers(how would that even work with a cyclic hierarchy anyway?)

when are the layers shown to work like a cycle

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Nice but even if their 1-B no yogiri matches (no death resistance etc)

rika furude with her 1-A hax

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

CoB is not part of the story of Umineko considering it's directly stated that said story would barely be a sentence in a random book in CoB.

ahh i see, but the fun part about this is that the characters that show here have the ability to break the fourth wall ( mion is shown talking to a fictionalized version of the 07th party audience, which meets the requirements of interacting with a fictionalized representation of the real world)

 

[Vondoom]

rika furude with her 1-A hax

What 1-A hax?

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

What 1-A hax?

iirc, its her looping ability

 

[Vondoom]

Can you send the scan?

 

[ImmortalDread]

following

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Can you send the scan?

i believe its already on rika's vsbw page

 

[Ovy7]

Her looping isn't 1A.

Also, this thread is starting to go all over the place. . .

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Her looping isn't 1A.

Also, this thread is starting to go all over the place. . .

agree to add "1-B, possibly higher" keys to these characters and close thread?

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

hyperversal mion is gonna be funny

 

[Ovy7]

Why "possibly higher"?