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  1. Candy_Vegetto

    Super Vegito vs. Cabba

    This, so much this. Many people are completely forgetting that Cabba did nothing to actually hurt Vegeta in their fight as well: Vegeta took a full force blow from SSJ Cabba to the face at the end of the fight and laughed at him. Cabba is a joke in terms of strength, and would likely fail to...
  2. Candy_Vegetto

    Kratos vs. Accelerator

    You're arguing the semantics of the point, I'm not using Old Kratos to justify anything in this debate. I only used that as an example to show Kratos' actual insight into combat, the one that has to be analyzed closer in the games to understand. It was just plainly stated in that trailer, but...
  3. Candy_Vegetto

    Goku Black vs The TARDIS

    I try! There are some points I will attempt to refute, but I try to focus more on the presented arguments and keep an open mind to the logical process people have towards those conclusions. Where I can base some on fact, and the ones I make regarding their personal character, I disregard. It's...
  4. Candy_Vegetto

    Kratos vs. Accelerator

    The reboot trailer only gives you a defined scope into it, there are many instances where Kratos' rage is not completely driving his entire battle plan and that trailer was just meant to emphasize that he learned about combat well before teaching his son. IE, Hermes attempts to trash talk him...
  5. Candy_Vegetto

    Kratos vs. Accelerator

    Kratos isn't exactly that much of a brute, he's shown educating his son about tactics in war and not just blindly rushing into battle in the new gameplay trailer for GOW reboot, as he learned in the first installment of the series. By around 2 or even as late as 3, Kratos is a rage driven...
  6. Candy_Vegetto

    Kratos vs. Accelerator

    Gameplay for combat wise, yes, that's exactly how it works so I won't provide a video on that end. But at the same time, mechanically, the objects are also being shown during puzzle missions where Kratos activates the amulet and objects surrounding him from over 50 meters or so away are...
  7. Candy_Vegetto

    Goku Black vs The TARDIS

    No, but he'd casually destroy TARDIS before he had a chance to pull him into one. EDIT: My mistake. Yes, 4-B Goku Black would lose in your specified scenario.
  8. Candy_Vegetto

    Goku Black vs The TARDIS

    No, because SSG Goku and Beerus are proven to be universal busting level in the DBS anime. Goku Black in his SSJ Rose form is immensely stronger than SSG Goku, and can easily be argued above solar system level. In fact, he was still able to hold his own against an improved SSB Vegeta, who blew...
  9. Candy_Vegetto

    Kratos vs. Accelerator

    In God of War: Ascension, Kratos gains an item called the Amulet of Uroborus that he can use to specifically target objects and invididuals to either speed up time or reverse it for them. The terms used in its use for solving puzzles are "Decay" and "Heal", where obviously, Decay is used to send...
  10. Candy_Vegetto

    Goku Black vs The TARDIS

    The point is valid because of the neutral universe argument, I apologize for not reading through the original rules. If we are comparing the universes in terms of how the TARDIS can affect Goku's history, then the distorted multiverse theory negates it in the Dragon Ball world. So in that...
  11. Candy_Vegetto

    Goku Black vs The TARDIS

    Yup, Dragon Ball time manipulation works mostly on multiverse theory with some inconsistencies. Beerus deleted Zamasu in the present timeline, and it did not even affect the future version of Zamasu, let alone Goku Black. Also, to whoever denied acasuality for Goku as well, you're flat out...
  12. Candy_Vegetto

    Goku (begging of battle of gods saga) vs gohan (buu saga)

    Goku states it plainly after being absorbed in the manga that he is no match for Super Buu, the villain Gohan was casually picking apart in his ultimate form. The amount of training Goku has done during the time in between BoG and Z is way too small for him to overcome such a massive gap: he is...
  13. Candy_Vegetto

    Arale Norimaki runs an DBS Gauntlet :

    With toon force? She likely could contend with even the Omni King, given she is shown breaking the laws of physics in the DBS episode when Vegeta punches her into the atmosphere, only for her to shoot down in the complete opposite direction and blindside him with a kick that is not remotely...
  14. Candy_Vegetto

    Arale Norimaki runs an DBS Gauntlet :

    Vegetto Blue is actually ridiculously underpowered in DBS: the actual adapation is complete fanservice for his return. Take into consideration, the aspect of Super Saiyan multiplying a single power by x50. Buuhan, a fighter composed of two beings well beyond Goku and Vegeta's own maximum power...
  15. Candy_Vegetto

    SSJ Vegito vs SSJ Gogeta

    Do you have any examples for proof?
  16. Candy_Vegetto

    SSJ Vegito vs SSJ Gogeta

    Fusion Dance requires matching power levels, this is confirmed in the movie Gogeta appears in himself. Also, Vegetto's cockiness was an entire ruse to get Buuhan into absorbing him.
  17. Candy_Vegetto

    Vegeta vs Beta Ray Bill

    And Goku was injured by a laser beam from behind by the concept of "dropped his guard" when transformations literally burn energy to be maintained and give Saiyans the ability to be able to tank hits that they are not prepared/on guard for. Aka, SSJ3 Goku caught off guard by Beerus speed blitz...
  18. Candy_Vegetto

    SSGSS Goku vs Hyper Sonic

    Wrong, Super Sonic takes damage from falling, can be crushed, and can drown. In some cases, bosses even deal damage through the transformation. Hyper Sonic is just a buffed version, meaning the invulnerable statement is a complete hyperbole. None of the Sonic villains are even remotely close to...
  19. Candy_Vegetto

    SSGSS Goku vs Hyper Sonic

    None of this justifies him being able to take on a casual universe buster like SSGSS Goku, not even the black hole. The only area he can beat Goku in is speed, but his overall offensive capabilities against Goku are laughable to say the least. Simply put, without Chaos Control, Sonic tries to...
  20. Candy_Vegetto

    SSGSS Goku vs Hyper Sonic

    No, you don't. Archie Sonic and Game Version Sonic are two seperate types of character: you can't just use one to determine feats for another just because the other hasn't had it explained. That would be identical to using DBS Goku feats to justify SSJ4 Goku being able to accomplish something...
  21. Candy_Vegetto

    SSJ4 Gogeta (KKx?) and EOGT SSJ4 Goku W/ Universal SB Absorbed (KKx?) vs Goku SBG (1%) and Vegeta SBG (1%)

    The size of the universe has nothing to do with the power. GT doesn't have any comparable feats, DBS' universe buster was the first feat given to any character in DB since Frieza's casual bust of Planet Vegeta. Secondly, you're still discarding the level of ridiculousness that is in GT. Normal...
  22. Candy_Vegetto

    SSJ4 Gogeta (KKx?) and EOGT SSJ4 Goku W/ Universal SB Absorbed (KKx?) vs Goku SBG (1%) and Vegeta SBG (1%)

    yeah actually, cause Vegito alone according to the Super Exciting Guide is Goku x Vegeta, Akira himself said that Vegito's Multiplier is closer to Multiplication then simple addiction like the SSJ Multipliers That's false, Toriyama never states that. Fusion is not multiplication. Secondly, GT...
  23. Candy_Vegetto

    SSGSS Goku vs Hyper Sonic

    This is Archie Sonic, not Game Version Sonic. I have no qualms admitting that Archie Sonic absolutely stomps Goku right now with his durability, but we're discussing Game Version Sonic based on the previous feats used. Game Version Sonic can't compete with Goku, while Archie is OP enough to...
  24. Candy_Vegetto

    SSGSS Goku vs Hyper Sonic

    As Somebody asked, need to determine the size or provide direct information on the event so we can research it. Dimensions are variable in quantifiable size, along with no one really have a solid mechanic for true "dimension busting". At least, imo. And it needs to be able to hold up against...
  25. Candy_Vegetto

    SSGSS Goku vs Hyper Sonic

    It is a hyperbole because you're making up Sonic's durability. The word invincible is used, but despite the FACT that you can still die to multiple different types of physical damage along with being damaged by bosses themselves, you're still claiming that it's impervious to any type of physical...
  26. Candy_Vegetto

    SSGSS Goku vs Hyper Sonic

    Nah my argument was invulnerability which Goku can't counter given that all his attacks are physical nice try... So you really believe the guy that relies heavily upon energy such as ki to enhance all of his abilities and attacks is complete conventional physical damage? Regardless, you seem to...
  27. Candy_Vegetto

    SSGSS Goku vs Hyper Sonic

    Nah my argument was invulnerability which Goku can't counter given that all his attacks are physical nice try... So you really believe the guy that relies heavily upon energy such as ki to enhance all of his abilities and attacks is complete conventional physical damage? Regardless, you seem to...
  28. Candy_Vegetto

    SSGSS Goku vs Hyper Sonic

    Let's take a look at the limitations there: Number 2*: May still be susceptible to some forms of damage/death Your argument is now invalid.
  29. Candy_Vegetto

    SSGSS Goku vs Hyper Sonic

    You two are missing the point here. "Invulnerability" is an exaggerated claim: he is not shown tanking anything in that form that is similar to universe destruction level. Hell, the characters even take damage from certain bosses in the Super forms as well as wiping from fall damage...
  30. Candy_Vegetto

    SSGSS Goku vs Hyper Sonic

    And Perfect Cell is stated to be perfect. Since you don't know what "hyperbole" means, here's a definition: "exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally." That applies to your argument.
  31. Candy_Vegetto

    Fat Buu vs Dabura, Pikkon and Tagoma

    Fat Buu stomps all three, as he can contend with SSJ3 Goku and is even regarded by Goku as being the strongest opponent he had currently faced (This justifies Fat Buu >> Dabura and Pikkon, both of them having power levels known to Goku). Tagoma hasn't performed any feat that rivals SSJ3 level...
  32. Candy_Vegetto

    Base Vegetto vs. Buuhan

    His struggle was in attempting to overcome the power gap to Super Vegetto. Regenerationn was never a problem by the amount of times he had to do: he easily regens more than half of his entire body against Base Vegetto like nothing. Even removing the damage marks, simply because it has to do with...
  33. Candy_Vegetto

    Base Vegetto vs. Buuhan

    That's not even remotely indicated that Buuhan's strongest attack is the ball of energy Vegetto redirected. Buuhan clearly shows that he was not impressed by the redirection, even showing small humility in accepting that Vegetto could've actually inflicted damage to him if he was able to...
  34. Candy_Vegetto

    Base Vegetto vs. Buuhan

    As a side argument that developed from the Gogeta vs Vegetto thread, I'd like to open with an argument regarding the potential of Base Vegetto: So, points above are two things: 1) Base Vegetto did no real damage to Buuhan during their battle. The first damage dealt to Buuhan that was real was...
  35. Candy_Vegetto

    SSJ Vegito vs SSJ Gogeta

    Just because you say it, doesn't mean it's true. If you have a legitamite counter argument that is more than just what you want to believe, then let's hear it. Otherwise, don't be disrespectful.
  36. Candy_Vegetto

    SSJ Vegito vs SSJ Gogeta

    You do realize Buuhan only allowed himself to be damaged that far because he wanted to try and fool Vegetto, right? Vegetto didn't have any of it, so Buuhan just regenerated without a sweat. The damage, the scars, all of it was Buuhan letting it happen to try and pretend like he actually got...
  37. Candy_Vegetto

    SSGSS Goku vs Hyper Sonic

    Did he state SSJ2 Vegeta enraged was 10% of his full power in DBS? That alone sounds like BS, considering that whole event was fan service imo anyway. In any case though, considering how illogical of a powerup it is, I would still consider it above SBG if your percentages are correct. It's a...
  38. Candy_Vegetto

    SSGSS Goku vs Hyper Sonic

    Here he says 100% though, not 70% in the movie. I think it holds up: Saiyan Beyond God has to be a weaker version of SSG because it's the same concept. Execept SSG is a powerup granted by others while Goku is tapping into the power of godly ki to get SBG. That would then legitamize Whis'...
  39. Candy_Vegetto

    SSJ Vegito vs SSJ Gogeta

    On the first kick, Super Vegetto drew blood from Buuhan without him playing a fool. Super Vegetto was fully capable of destroying Buuhan, he proved it in his destruction of his head tentacle. He chose not to, to get absorbed and save his friends. The difference is in the proof: he shows he is...
  40. Candy_Vegetto

    SSJ Vegito vs SSJ Gogeta

    Normal form Gotenks isn't Cell level. Base Vegetto is also significantly weaker than most people believe. He never fights Buuhan to the point of domination in his base form: nothing he does is lasting damage to Buuhan. The only reason people assume Vegetto was winning the match up was because...
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